Kiwi Players Elsewhere

Michael McGlinchey (Weston FC | Australia)

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over 11 years ago

Midfielder wrote:

The second school was a player was offered a much higher salary while under contract, for a specific time ... he was allowed to take the higher salary on the premise he would return or the other club would pay a transfer fee... a change in ownership may have provided a legal way out ... the end result is no player at any club will be allowed this again  nor will it sit well at the Mariners [who cares from the Nix's view I understand] ... But we let Flores go amongst other things... so tis easy when you think by heck we got em and its our way but it will mean a lot of hand shake and things agree will not longer work ...

What was the Flores bit about? I was sort of with you for the first part but got totally confused by what you were trying to say.

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over 11 years ago

Midfielder wrote:

The issues seems to be as already stated does he have a contract with the current or former Mariners club...

How the legal issues work out appears to be in the hands of FFA...

There are two schools one which I assume this forum takes [as this time its in your favour]  is ... whatever it takes ... if there is a loop hole and we can exploit to our advantage then thats good for us... yepeee

The second school was a player was offered a much higher salary while under contract, for a specific time ... he was allowed to take the higher salary on the premise he would return or the other club would pay a transfer fee... a change in ownership may have provided a legal way out ... the end result is no player at any club will be allowed this again  nor will it sit well at the Mariners [who cares from the Nix's view I understand] ... But we let Flores go amongst other things... so tis easy when you think by heck we got em and its our way but it will mean a lot of hand shake and things agree will not longer work ...

Twas interesting when the Nix's when tho their legal ownership changes how no club went after your best using the same avenues ..

To me it looks like you have won... but in the long run I think you loose 

Of course we'd love to have Wee Mac at the club because he's a great kiwi player but I think you've got it wrong in your assumptions of the majority of the Fever forumites. From my opinion and what I've read, the majority of us just want an answer either way. If we get him great, if not then okay. We're not snakes and we don't want to be viewed as such.

The club offered McGlinchey a deal and said that if he was keen it was up to him to secure a release from CCM, nothing snakey about that, that's just football. Mcglinchey is under the impression that, for whatever reason, he is no longer contracted to CCM and wants to take up the Nix's offer. CCM have desputed this and now we're waiting on the FFA (who cocked it all up with their early article release) and the PFA to make a decision which I'm sure both the Phoenix and its fans will accept and honour.

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over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

Sackofspuds wrote:

Midfielder wrote:

The issues seems to be as already stated does he have a contract with the current or former Mariners club...

How the legal issues work out appears to be in the hands of FFA...

There are two schools one which I assume this forum takes [as this time its in your favour]  is ... whatever it takes ... if there is a loop hole and we can exploit to our advantage then thats good for us... yepeee

The second school was a player was offered a much higher salary while under contract, for a specific time ... he was allowed to take the higher salary on the premise he would return or the other club would pay a transfer fee... a change in ownership may have provided a legal way out ... the end result is no player at any club will be allowed this again  nor will it sit well at the Mariners [who cares from the Nix's view I understand] ... But we let Flores go amongst other things... so tis easy when you think by heck we got em and its our way but it will mean a lot of hand shake and things agree will not longer work ...

Twas interesting when the Nix's when tho their legal ownership changes how no club went after your best using the same avenues ..

To me it looks like you have won... but in the long run I think you loose 

Of course we'd love to have Wee Mac at the club because he's a great kiwi player but I think you've got it wrong in your assumptions of the majority of the Fever forumites. From my opinion and what I've read, the majority of us just want an answer either way. If we get him great, if not then okay. We're not snakes and we don't want to be viewed as such.

The club offered McGlinchey a deal and said that if he was keen it was up to him to secure a release from CCM, nothing snakey about that, that's just football. Mcglinchey is under the impression that, for whatever reason, he is no longer contracted to CCM and wants to take up the Nix's offer. CCM have desputed this and now we're waiting on the FFA (who cocked it all up with their early article release) and the PFA to make a decision which I'm sure both the Phoenix and its fans will accept and honour.

You'd hope that the Phoenix aproached CCM as well as McGlinchey as is the rules for a player with more than six months on his contract. But otherwise spot on. Just want a resolution so that we have time to sign someone, preferably with a pre-season.

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over 11 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Sackofspuds wrote:

Midfielder wrote:

The issues seems to be as already stated does he have a contract with the current or former Mariners club...

How the legal issues work out appears to be in the hands of FFA...

There are two schools one which I assume this forum takes [as this time its in your favour]  is ... whatever it takes ... if there is a loop hole and we can exploit to our advantage then thats good for us... yepeee

The second school was a player was offered a much higher salary while under contract, for a specific time ... he was allowed to take the higher salary on the premise he would return or the other club would pay a transfer fee... a change in ownership may have provided a legal way out ... the end result is no player at any club will be allowed this again  nor will it sit well at the Mariners [who cares from the Nix's view I understand] ... But we let Flores go amongst other things... so tis easy when you think by heck we got em and its our way but it will mean a lot of hand shake and things agree will not longer work ...

Twas interesting when the Nix's when tho their legal ownership changes how no club went after your best using the same avenues ..

To me it looks like you have won... but in the long run I think you loose 

Of course we'd love to have Wee Mac at the club because he's a great kiwi player but I think you've got it wrong in your assumptions of the majority of the Fever forumites. From my opinion and what I've read, the majority of us just want an answer either way. If we get him great, if not then okay. We're not snakes and we don't want to be viewed as such.

The club offered McGlinchey a deal and said that if he was keen it was up to him to secure a release from CCM, nothing snakey about that, that's just football. Mcglinchey is under the impression that, for whatever reason, he is no longer contracted to CCM and wants to take up the Nix's offer. CCM have desputed this and now we're waiting on the FFA (who cocked it all up with their early article release) and the PFA to make a decision which I'm sure both the Phoenix and its fans will accept and honour.

You'd hope that the Phoenix aproached CCM as well as McGlinchey as is the rules for a player with more than six months on his contract. But otherwise spot on. Just want a resolution so that we have time to sign someone, preferably with a pre-season.

His agent probably approached us, we wouldn't have known he didn't sign a new deal otherwise.
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over 11 years ago

On facebook Paul McGlinchey (apparently WeeMacs brother according to CCMFans) has said he isn't under contract to CCM. So that supposition is correct.

Probably a misunderstanding which has led everyone to look like the bad guys. 

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over 11 years ago

I need some weemac in my life. asap.

yung thug

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over 11 years ago

Midfielder wrote:

The issues seems to be as already stated does he have a contract with the current or former Mariners club...

How the legal issues work out appears to be in the hands of FFA...

There are two schools one which I assume this forum takes [as this time its in your favour]  is ... whatever it takes ... if there is a loop hole and we can exploit to our advantage then thats good for us... yepeee

The second school was a player was offered a much higher salary while under contract, for a specific time ... he was allowed to take the higher salary on the premise he would return or the other club would pay a transfer fee... a change in ownership may have provided a legal way out ... the end result is no player at any club will be allowed this again  nor will it sit well at the Mariners [who cares from the Nix's view I understand] ... But we let Flores go amongst other things... so tis easy when you think by heck we got em and its our way but it will mean a lot of hand shake and things agree will not longer work ...

Twas interesting when the Nix's when tho their legal ownership changes how no club went after your best using the same avenues ..

To me it looks like you have won... but in the long run I think you loose 

Just out of curiosity, would you be happy having him back at CCM knowing he doesn't want to be there?

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over 11 years ago

Wonder if what it will take would be for FFA to acquire or pay out Wee Mac's putative CCM contract, releasing him from it in the process, so that CCM get somewhat compensated for what they think they own, and we get to sign an undisputed free agent.

"You've nailed it in a nutshell." - Mark Rudan

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over 11 years ago
Have the FFA and Phoenix checked to see if their respective fax machines are turned on?
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over 11 years ago

Ryan wrote:

On facebook Paul McGlinchey (apparently WeeMacs brother according to CCMFans) has said he isn't under contract to CCM. So that supposition is correct.

Probably a misunderstanding which has led everyone to look like the bad guys. 

All I have learned from this is that Paul McGlinchey is not under contract to CCM. 

But we really want the other McGlinchey, the one called Michael.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 11 years ago

janellert wrote:

Midfielder wrote:

The issues seems to be as already stated does he have a contract with the current or former Mariners club...

How the legal issues work out appears to be in the hands of FFA...

There are two schools one which I assume this forum takes [as this time its in your favour]  is ... whatever it takes ... if there is a loop hole and we can exploit to our advantage then thats good for us... yepeee

The second school was a player was offered a much higher salary while under contract, for a specific time ... he was allowed to take the higher salary on the premise he would return or the other club would pay a transfer fee... a change in ownership may have provided a legal way out ... the end result is no player at any club will be allowed this again  nor will it sit well at the Mariners [who cares from the Nix's view I understand] ... But we let Flores go amongst other things... so tis easy when you think by heck we got em and its our way but it will mean a lot of hand shake and things agree will not longer work ...

Twas interesting when the Nix's when tho their legal ownership changes how no club went after your best using the same avenues ..

To me it looks like you have won... but in the long run I think you loose 

Just out of curiosity, would you be happy having him back at CCM knowing he doesn't want to be there?

I would say no ... I think at an ethical level and respect for the original release he was given to earn a lot of money he has shown no thanks or loyalty .. its a kinda two edged sword ...

Let me ask you a question say two years ago your best player asked for the same release and it was granted and by a twist of fate a legal lop hole was created how happy would you be  if that player went to another A-League club after you let a very good player go because he was coming back ... remember we let Flores go because in theory weeMac was coming back and we had ample cover for a number 10... 

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

RadioSport reporting he's free to sign.

E + R + O

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over 11 years ago

http://www.radiosport.co.nz/news/spsoc/508231281-football--mcglinchey-awaits-resolution-on-contract-status

Updated to say pfa give nix sll clear to sign

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over 11 years ago

All*

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over 11 years ago

3news sport story about it all tonight. Sounds like we've got the green light.

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over 11 years ago

Sackofspuds wrote:

3news sport story about it all tonight. Sounds like we've got the green light.

From the PFA.
E + R + O

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over 11 years ago

I'll wait till I see a signed contract before I know it's a done deal - stranger things happened in football horse trading.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 11 years ago

Piney tweeting that the PFA have told Wee Mac that he is free to sign with us and that their lawyers will vigorously defend him if CCM despute the decision.

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over 11 years ago

Press release from the club or it didn't happen. With quotes. Oh wait...

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over 11 years ago

SurgeQld wrote:

Sackofspuds wrote:

3news sport story about it all tonight. Sounds like we've got the green light.

From the PFA.

The Peoples' Front of Australia?

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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over 11 years ago

I would love it if the club used the exact same press release

Fitzy wrote:

Press release from the club or it didn't happen. With quotes. Oh wait...

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over 11 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

SurgeQld wrote:

Sackofspuds wrote:

3news sport story about it all tonight. Sounds like we've got the green light.

From the PFA.

The Peoples' Front of Australia?

Splitters!!




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over 11 years ago

No official early release of statements from FFA, CCM or Nix. 

Still time, getting him training is a good step for all parties. 

  Supporter For Ever - Keep The Faith - Foundation Member - Never Lets FAX Get In The Way Of A Good Yarn

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over 11 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

SurgeQld wrote:

Sackofspuds wrote:

3news sport story about it all tonight. Sounds like we've got the green light.

From the PFA.

The Peoples' Front of Australia?

I have never know the PPA  not to  back a player its in their charter ...

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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over 11 years ago

oh please let it be so, but like others until I see a statement (even the same one that was released before, re-released). I still won't be confident it's a done deal.

I'm an optimistic pessimist. 
I'm positive things will go wrong.
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over 11 years ago

Midfielder wrote:

Junior82 wrote:

SurgeQld wrote:

Sackofspuds wrote:

3news sport story about it all tonight. Sounds like we've got the green light.

From the PFA.

The Peoples' Front of Australia?

I have never know the PPA  not to  back a player its in their charter ...

Same post Same name  CCM Fan Forum - But biggest question who has been paying MM since loan deal ended. 

  Supporter For Ever - Keep The Faith - Foundation Member - Never Lets FAX Get In The Way Of A Good Yarn

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over 11 years ago

Midfielder wrote:

janellert wrote:

Midfielder wrote:

The issues seems to be as already stated does he have a contract with the current or former Mariners club...

How the legal issues work out appears to be in the hands of FFA...

There are two schools one which I assume this forum takes [as this time its in your favour]  is ... whatever it takes ... if there is a loop hole and we can exploit to our advantage then thats good for us... yepeee

The second school was a player was offered a much higher salary while under contract, for a specific time ... he was allowed to take the higher salary on the premise he would return or the other club would pay a transfer fee... a change in ownership may have provided a legal way out ... the end result is no player at any club will be allowed this again  nor will it sit well at the Mariners [who cares from the Nix's view I understand] ... But we let Flores go amongst other things... so tis easy when you think by heck we got em and its our way but it will mean a lot of hand shake and things agree will not longer work ...

Twas interesting when the Nix's when tho their legal ownership changes how no club went after your best using the same avenues ..

To me it looks like you have won... but in the long run I think you loose 

Just out of curiosity, would you be happy having him back at CCM knowing he doesn't want to be there?

I would say no ... I think at an ethical level and respect for the original release he was given to earn a lot of money he has shown no thanks or loyalty .. its a kinda two edged sword ...

Let me ask you a question say two years ago your best player asked for the same release and it was granted and by a twist of fate a legal lop hole was created how happy would you be  if that player went to another A-League club after you let a very good player go because he was coming back ... remember we let Flores go because in theory weeMac was coming back and we had ample cover for a number 10... 

Fuck now, I would be pissed off - as I'm pissed off for you.

However we really don't know what has happened behind closed doors. The Phoenix owners seem largely honorable, McGlinchey seems largely honorable. Charlesworth on the other hand...

But only WeeMac and CCM really know what happened. Perhaps we will know, perhaps not.

Every side looks bad at this point depending on your bias.

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over 11 years ago

Sackofspuds wrote:

Midfielder wrote:

The issues seems to be as already stated does he have a contract with the current or former Mariners club...

How the legal issues work out appears to be in the hands of FFA...

There are two schools one which I assume this forum takes [as this time its in your favour]  is ... whatever it takes ... if there is a loop hole and we can exploit to our advantage then thats good for us... yepeee

The second school was a player was offered a much higher salary while under contract, for a specific time ... he was allowed to take the higher salary on the premise he would return or the other club would pay a transfer fee... a change in ownership may have provided a legal way out ... the end result is no player at any club will be allowed this again  nor will it sit well at the Mariners [who cares from the Nix's view I understand] ... But we let Flores go amongst other things... so tis easy when you think by heck we got em and its our way but it will mean a lot of hand shake and things agree will not longer work ...

Twas interesting when the Nix's when tho their legal ownership changes how no club went after your best using the same avenues ..

To me it looks like you have won... but in the long run I think you loose 

Of course we'd love to have Wee Mac at the club because he's a great kiwi player but I think you've got it wrong in your assumptions of the majority of the Fever forumites. From my opinion and what I've read, the majority of us just want an answer either way. If we get him great, if not then okay. We're not snakes and we don't want to be viewed as such.

The club offered McGlinchey a deal and said that if he was keen it was up to him to secure a release from CCM, nothing snakey about that, that's just football. Mcglinchey is under the impression that, for whatever reason, he is no longer contracted to CCM and wants to take up the Nix's offer. CCM have desputed this and now we're waiting on the FFA (who cocked it all up with their early article release) and the PFA to make a decision which I'm sure both the Phoenix and its fans will accept and honour.

Yes, I'm sure this is exactly how it's happened.  All very above board

Normo's coming home

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over 11 years ago

According to stuff he's signed a contract with us!!!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/10241707/Mic...

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 11 years ago

Hopefully it will stick this time!

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over 11 years ago

WHat I am interested in is what's this move about for McGlinchey.  He's made huge strides at CCM and they've been more successful than us so it is interesting he's keen to make this move and push so hard for it.  Maybe Arnold leaving has unsettled him?

Normo's coming home

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over 11 years ago

what we should all realise is if the boot was on the other foot the Aussies would do the same thing...they would be ruthless and have no concerns about screwing us over ( having lived and worked in Aussie...they would claim regardless how ruthless they were that they acted with integrity ) ...so good to see us standing up to them.

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over 11 years ago

james dean wrote:

WHat I am interested in is what's this move about for McGlinchey.  He's made huge strides at CCM and they've been more successful than us so it is interesting he's keen to make this move and push so hard for it.  Maybe Arnold leaving has unsettled him?

Could be pay stability and he isn't a visa player here so that adds a little more security.

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over 11 years ago

Whoever Mr Celery is on their website, they make a lot of sense and I found their input a very interesting read. Here's part of it........

"I can't think of a case where the PFA hasn't come out in support of the player, irrespective of the legalities. But that's their charter. Can't fault them for that.

It is very obvious to me that McGlinchey simply had no desire to come back to the Mariners. Maybe because Arnie was no longer there. Maybe he was homesick. Maybe he felt that with the Grand Final win he'd achieved all he could with the Mariners. Maybe he just wants more money. Possibly it's a combination of all these.

If it was simply an oversight or issue over the contract status with CCM, he should have got his agent to sort it out. Maybe he did, and when checking, his agent spotted the oversight and thought: "Wooot! Here's a great opportunity to find a better deal for my player!" Again, that is the agent's charter. All McGlinchey would have had to do in that scenario would be to tell his agent to sort out the paperwork with CCM, and he'd return to train with us.

So if it is true that there was a lapsed contract with McGlinchey as a result of any transfer of ownership, the fault lies squarely with CCM and the FFA.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the club re-registered as another entity to avoid past debts. If seen that happen a number of times with football clubs. The question then becomes, does the new entity have a valid A-League licence? Or have we forgotten that too?

Sadly, no one is coming out of this smelling good."

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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over 11 years ago

james dean wrote:

WHat I am interested in is what's this move about for McGlinchey.  He's made huge strides at CCM and they've been more successful than us so it is interesting he's keen to make this move and push so hard for it.  Maybe Arnold leaving has unsettled him?

Challenge?
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over 11 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

Whoever Mr Celery is on their website, they make a lot of sense and I found their input a very interesting read. Here's part of it........

"I can't think of a case where the PFA hasn't come out in support of the player, irrespective of the legalities. But that's their charter. Can't fault them for that.

It is very obvious to me that McGlinchey simply had no desire to come back to the Mariners. Maybe because Arnie was no longer there. Maybe he was homesick. Maybe he felt that with the Grand Final win he'd achieved all he could with the Mariners. Maybe he just wants more money. Possibly it's a combination of all these.

If it was simply an oversight or issue over the contract status with CCM, he should have got his agent to sort it out. Maybe he did, and when checking, his agent spotted the oversight and thought: "Wooot! Here's a great opportunity to find a better deal for my player!" Again, that is the agent's charter. All McGlinchey would have had to do in that scenario would be to tell his agent to sort out the paperwork with CCM, and he'd return to train with us.

So if it is true that there was a lapsed contract with McGlinchey as a result of any transfer of ownership, the fault lies squarely with CCM and the FFA.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the club re-registered as another entity to avoid past debts. If seen that happen a number of times with football clubs. The question then becomes, does the new entity have a valid A-League licence? Or have we forgotten that too?

Sadly, no one is coming out of this smelling good."

Mr Celery would probably be an ex Newcastle Breakers Rowdie. I'm thinking Steve Bradbury? Midfielder may be able to confirm if it's who I am thinking.  

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 11 years ago

Well I read two pages of posts and his ones were very good and rational imho.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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over 11 years ago

Djinksta wrote:

C-Diddy wrote:

According to stuff he's signed a contract with us!!!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/10241707/Mic...

That Title is incredibly misleading wow... No where in the article does it say he's signed or provides any evidence of it.  

2nd paragraph...

In the latest twist of a messy saga, Professional Footballers Australia revealed tonight that, with their backing, the 27-year-old had signed a contract with the Phoenix.

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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