Kiwi Players Elsewhere

Michael McGlinchey (Weston FC | Australia)

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almost 13 years ago
I personally find the approach to be short sighted as it will potentially disenfranchise local national players who may feel like their opportunities are been taken away to accommodate others who have a financial but not emotional tie to the country. Basically football mercenaries. Qatar has serious money (and this is when compared to other Middle East Oil rich countries) and can effectively buy what it wants. But does this make it right? I would be quite happy for a quote system to be introduced similar to what clubs do to make sure local players are given a chance. e,g. 85% of your squad must be born within the nation they represent or something similar. (unless they have parents who were born in the country)
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almost 13 years ago · edited almost 13 years ago · History

MetalLegNZ wrote:
I personally find the approach to be short sighted as it will potentially disenfranchise local national players who may feel like their opportunities are been taken away to accommodate others who have a financial but not emotional tie to the country.


How so? Best players will always get picked. Or would you rather play local ASB Premiership players ahead of likes of McGlinchey and Smith in the All Whites? You can't have it both ways. 



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almost 13 years ago

Big Pete 65 wrote:

Watch out for the new series which debuted on Sky Sport last night called "The Code" which is a documentary following Central Coast's season across six half-hour episodes. Lots of behind-the-scenes stuff at training, in the dressing room, players socializing, interviews etc. "The Code" is an Aussie sports show which has been going a few years and focuses on a successful team in a different sports code each year. This year was football and the A-League's turn.

Wee Mac didn't feature much in the first episode which had interviews with manager Arnold and Rogic and a look at the Coast's impressive new training facility. But no doubt he'll pop up in future episodes as the season progresses... 

Probably last night's episode will be repeated during the week on various Sky Sports channels.


I watched this last night and thought it was awful. Cutesy camera angles, schizophrenic editing (oh look, another slow-mo shot of the players running) and completely superficial, frivolous interviews. More time was spent on a fishing trip with some fans than talking to Graham Arnold about anything remotely interesting. My biggest take-away was that Matt Ryan has the personality of a piece of 2x4.


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almost 13 years ago

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almost 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:
I personally find the approach to be short sighted as it will potentially disenfranchise local national players who may feel like their opportunities are been taken away to accommodate others who have a financial but not emotional tie to the country.

How so? Best players will always get picked. Or would you rather play local ASB Premiership players ahead of likes of McGlinchey and Smith in the All Whites? You can't have it both ways. 

Thats why I suggested a quota as opposed to a blanket rule. I believe that there is a place for people born outside of a nation who have committed to a country to be given the right to play with it. I just think that there should also be rules and safe guards to stop people abusing this system.

If you look at the college sports system in the Waikato they introduced a cap on scholarships to prevent schools from effectively buying teams with "free education", basically board and a chance to go to better schools. Previously for example Rotorua Boys had an entire 1st 15 on scholarships. Did this promote the development of their own players. Simple answer - NO!

The cap on scholarships has led to more even competitions, the promotion of local players and less bickering about fairness and equality.

I'm happy with the odd Smith and McGlinchey, but not a team full of them. I want a team of NZers, not a team of "I couldn't make other national squads so this was my fall back, or they offered me a really good to play for them.


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almost 13 years ago

Anyone surprised wee mac hasnt been plucked by a bigger club after his season. I mean I know hes got 4 years on Sainsbury and ? on Ibini and Ryan but still.


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almost 13 years ago

surprised China hasnt come calling


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almost 13 years ago

terminator_x wrote:

Big Pete 65 wrote:

Watch out for the new series which debuted on Sky Sport last night called "The Code" which is a documentary following Central Coast's season across six half-hour episodes. Lots of behind-the-scenes stuff at training, in the dressing room, players socializing, interviews etc. "The Code" is an Aussie sports show which has been going a few years and focuses on a successful team in a different sports code each year. This year was football and the A-League's turn.

Wee Mac didn't feature much in the first episode which had interviews with manager Arnold and Rogic and a look at the Coast's impressive new training facility. But no doubt he'll pop up in future episodes as the season progresses... 

Probably last night's episode will be repeated during the week on various Sky Sports channels.


I watched this last night and thought it was awful. Cutesy camera angles, schizophrenic editing (oh look, another slow-mo shot of the players running) and completely superficial, frivolous interviews. More time was spent on a fishing trip with some fans than talking to Graham Arnold about anything remotely interesting. My biggest take-away was that Matt Ryan has the personality of a piece of 2x4.



Completely agree Terminator. The first ep. of The Code was ncredibly lightweight - esp when you compare it to something like 'Being Liverpool'.
Hopefully it gets better,but not holding my breath.

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almost 13 years ago

playwithFire wrote:

surprised China hasnt come calling

He would be better than that. Maybe he is waiting until he gets his Aussie passport or for when Nelsen needs a midfielder.
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almost 13 years ago

He might eventually end back up in Scotland, is a known quantity there and had the loan spell as well last year.

Hopefully he does move on for his own career and from a NZ perspective. See if he can reach some of the hype that surrounded him as a kid.

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almost 13 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:
I personally find the approach to be short sighted as it will potentially disenfranchise local national players who may feel like their opportunities are been taken away to accommodate others who have a financial but not emotional tie to the country.

How so? Best players will always get picked. Or would you rather play local ASB Premiership players ahead of likes of McGlinchey and Smith in the All Whites? You can't have it both ways. 

Thats why I suggested a quota as opposed to a blanket rule. I believe that there is a place for people born outside of a nation who have committed to a country to be given the right to play with it. I just think that there should also be rules and safe guards to stop people abusing this system.

If you look at the college sports system in the Waikato they introduced a cap on scholarships to prevent schools from effectively buying teams with "free education", basically board and a chance to go to better schools. Previously for example Rotorua Boys had an entire 1st 15 on scholarships. Did this promote the development of their own players. Simple answer - NO!

The cap on scholarships has led to more even competitions, the promotion of local players and less bickering about fairness and equality.

I'm happy with the odd Smith and McGlinchey, but not a team full of them. I want a team of NZers, not a team of "I couldn't make other national squads so this was my fall back, or they offered me a really good to play for them.



There are very clear FIFA rules on international eligibility - who exactly is abusing the system? 
If anything, the All Whites are probably on the more extreme end of playing players who aren't exactly local.
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almost 13 years ago

Did you finish reading what I wrote before jumping to your opinion and writing it in stone or did you simply not see the point I was trying to make.

Just because the system is being abused yet doesn't mean certain measure should be put in place to prevent something from happening. No point locking the gates after the horse has bolted.

My point is, I hope that Qatar for all its money isn't effectively allowed to buy a national team at the expense of developing their own players. A statement I would have thought is hard to argue with.

In regards to NZ, I also said I am ok with having players like Smith and McGlinchey in the team if the meet certain standards and / or make up a minority in a squad as opposed to the norm, again in reference to my original point about qatar.

Getting back on topic... I hope McGlinchey does eventually move back to Europe to play. Would be happy for him to do a couple more years in the A League as a swan song when he hits his 30's.

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almost 13 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:
I personally find the approach to be short sighted as it will potentially disenfranchise local national players who may feel like their opportunities are been taken away to accommodate others who have a financial but not emotional tie to the country. Basically football mercenaries. Qatar has serious money (and this is when compared to other Middle East Oil rich countries) and can effectively buy what it wants. But does this make it right? I would be quite happy for a quote system to be introduced similar to what clubs do to make sure local players are given a chance. e,g. 85% of your squad must be born within the nation they represent or something similar. (unless they have parents who were born in the country)

I get what you're saying, dude - it would be a farce for a country to be allowed by FIFA to recruit too many players from overseas to fill their national team when they only have a tenuous connection to that country. Qatar, though is in an unusual situation.

Many countries these days, including NZ, rely a lot on immigrants to boost their population and bring in skills and money, as the USA have always done. Here in Aotearoa about 23% of our population were born overseas. In Britain it's 11.3% and increasing fast, in the USA  13%.

However, Qatar has the highest foreign born population percentage in the world and so allowances should perhaps be made - they rely on foreign workers to do virtually everything except rule the country (and that will happen in time): 85% of the population are foreign born!!!

"With a small citizen population of fewer than 250,000 people [of the 1.9 million total population] foreign workers outnumber native Qataris. Foreign expatriates come mainly from other Arab nations (20% of population), the Indian subcontinent (India 24.5%, Nepal 13%, Pakistan 7%, Sri Lanka 5%), Southeast Asia (Philippines10%), and other countries (5%)"

By the way, the example you mention of Tommy Smith as an All White recruited from overseas is not in fact so clear-cut. He immigrated here as an eight year-old in 1998, and played his junior football here until he returned to Britain to pursue a career at age 16 in 2006. He had residency here from age eight, and although his parents moved briefly back to Britain with Tommy to support him, they and his siblings now continue to live here.

Tommy on the BBC Sport website: "“I owe a lot of my football education to New Zealand, and I have a loyalty to them - if I didn't feel anything towards New Zealand I wouldn't have done this.”

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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almost 13 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Did you finish reading what I wrote before jumping to your opinion and writing it in stone or did you simply not see the point I was trying to make.

Just because the system is being abused yet doesn't mean certain measure should be put in place to prevent something from happening. No point locking the gates after the horse has bolted.

My point is, I hope that Qatar for all its money isn't effectively allowed to buy a national team at the expense of developing their own players. A statement I would have thought is hard to argue with.


But they can't buy a national team - FIFA regulations are strict on that. And your original point was about 13-14 year olds - leaving the fact that under FIFA regulations you can't sign contracts with players that young and that at age it is incredibly hard to tell how a player may develop- even if you were to create an incentive system to bring talented players that age from other countries, they would still have to go through the same development system as the local player, and only a small percentage of players that age actually progress to the higher levels of the game. But the key points in that scenario are 1) the best players will progress with everyone going through the same system, 2) and the system is developed, resourced and run by the national association, so it's difficult not to regard players who emerge from such a system as not local.
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almost 13 years ago

Big Pete 65 wrote:

Tommy on the BBC Sport website: "“I owe a lot of my football education to New Zealand, and I have a loyalty to them - if I didn't feel anything towards New Zealand I wouldn't have done this.”


Of course he would say that, and I have no doubt that he does feel loyalty towards NZ. But just the same, if he ever had a genuine choice between England and New Zealand, do you think he'd have picked the All Whites?
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almost 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

Big Pete 65 wrote:

Tommy on the BBC Sport website: "“I owe a lot of my football education to New Zealand, and I have a loyalty to them - if I didn't feel anything towards New Zealand I wouldn't have done this.”


Of course he would say that, and I have no doubt that he does feel loyalty towards NZ. But just the same, if he ever had a genuine choice between England and New Zealand, do you think he'd have picked the All Whites?


Andrew Durante falls into that category.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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almost 13 years ago

Singled out by lippi i dont understand how hes still at mariners. Bigger club coming?


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almost 13 years ago

Leggy wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Big Pete 65 wrote:

Tommy on the BBC Sport website: "“I owe a lot of my football education to New Zealand, and I have a loyalty to them - if I didn't feel anything towards New Zealand I wouldn't have done this.”


Of course he would say that, and I have no doubt that he does feel loyalty towards NZ. But just the same, if he ever had a genuine choice between England and New Zealand, do you think he'd have picked the All Whites?


Andrew Durante falls into that category.
Not so sure about that, Durante never had a genuine choice because Holger never picked him. A genuine choice would have been if he had been selected for both the Socceroos and All Whites squads, and had to turn one of them down.

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almost 13 years ago

"The Code" is not aimed at hardcore football (whatever sport) fans... it's more fluff to try and promote the club/sport to a more generic, ignorant and often ill-informed group of people.

You may know these people as "Australians".

E + R + O

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almost 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

[quote=MetalLegNZ].

I'm happy with the odd Smith and McGlinchey, but not a team full of them. I want a team of NZers, not a team of "I couldn't make other national squads so this was my fall back, or they offered me a really good to play for them.


There are very clear FIFA rules on international eligibility - who exactly is abusing the system? 
If anything, the All Whites are probably on the more extreme end of playing players who aren't exactly local.

this is a bs argument- the best kiwi players want to spend more time overseas. No one ever mentions Smeltz in this argument- the German kiwi who spent a lot of time in Aussie...but really glad he wanted to score and set up goals for us at the WC.

 



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almost 13 years ago

and dont you just love the look on Marchetti's face when he did score that primo goal.Gold. hahahaha

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almost 13 years ago

CCM burned in the round of 16 in the AFC Champions League, going out 5-1 on aggregate after this morning's 3-0 away loss to Guangzhou Evergrande (following the 2-1 home loss last week in which Wee Mac scored).

Wee Mac played the whole game and was at the heart of most of CCM's best attacking play, almost scoring too.

Seems Chinese league has overtaken the A-League now with more money lavished on it these days - some big money players and coaches. Yakubu, ex-Everton star, is signing for Guangzhou. 

Wee Mac must have thought he was back at the World Cup in South Africa 2010 facing Guangzhou's former Italy coach Marcello Lippi and new signing from Borussia Dortmund, Paraguay international Barrios:

Lucas Barrios nabbed his third goal in the competition in the first leg.

Muriqui, the Brazilian who opened the scoring this morning, is one of the most dangerous men in the Asian Champs Lge, topping the tournament leaderboard with eight goals in as many games, as well as scoring prolifically in the Chinese league (US$ 3.5 million signing 2010).

Was the last professional match for Patrick Zwaanswijk, who announced his retirement at the conclusion of the Mariners’ ACL campaign.

The Dutchman, 38, has had 14 seasons in top football, including three with the Mariners and 11 in the Dutch Eredivisie.


Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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almost 13 years ago

From Guangzhou Evergrande's demolition of A-League champs Central Coast last week over two legs in the Round of Sixteen of the Asian Champs Lge, seems at least the Chinese Premier Lge's champs are somewhat better than the A-League champs:

Some very slick play from Guangzhou. Two very entertaining games. 2-1 and 3-0 wins (5-1 aggregate).

Highlights: First leg in Gosford: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErPT0BStTIw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhPR75JQGqU

Second leg in Guangzhou: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOUa5TzXyDg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo5msWub0LE

Guangzhou have only conceded more than one goal this season on one occasion, against Urewa Red Diamonds in Asians Champions Lge...

Argentinian Dario Conca of Guangzhou earns 12.5 million US$ per season and was Player of the Year twice in Brazil's top league when with Fluminense. Obviously the A-League can't attract those sorts of players. 

Central Coast have won only three of their eighteen Asian Champions Lge games to date...


Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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almost 13 years ago

Last night's episode of "The Code" on Sky Sport an improvement on previous ones and focuses on Central Coast's away trip to Wellington last December 22 (1-1 draw) which turned out not such a good one for them with their return flight also cancelled due to fog and having to stay an extra night in Wellington.

Finishes with McGlinchey sharing a meal and conversation with Rose and McBreen back on the Central Coast... 

Will be repeated today and subsequent days on Sky no doubt

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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almost 13 years ago

Wee Mac selected in the starting eleven for the All Stars v Manchester United just announced. Rojas also selected but unlikely to be available. Macca chosen ahead of Japanese star Shinji Ono who only makes the bench:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/8822669/All-White-McGlinchey-to-face-Man-United/

All Stars (1-4-3-3 formation):

Goalkeeper: Ante Covic (Western Sydney Wanderers)

Defenders: Pedj Bojic (Sydney FC), Nikolai Topor-Stanley (Western Sydney Wanderers), Patrick Zwaanswijk (Central Coast Mariners), Adama Traore (Melbourne Victory)

Midfielders: Thomas Broich (Brisbane Roar), Mark Milligan (Melbourne Victory), Michael McGlinchey (Central Coast Mariners)

Strikers: Archie Thompson (Melbourne Victory), Alessandro Del Piero (Sydney FC), Marco Rojas (Melbourne Victory)

Substitutes: Mathew Ryan (Central Coast Mariners), Shinji Ono (Western Sydney Wanderers), Youssouf Hersi (Western Sydney Wanderers), Trent Sainsbury (Central Coast Mariners).


Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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over 12 years ago

 Herbert was keen to give young strikers Marco Rojas and Kosta Barbarouses a chance to lead the line with Leicester City's Chris Wood, while he was also intent on finding another attacking midfielder to help Michael McGlinchey.

"It's probably an area that doesn't have the depth I was hoping for," Herbert said when asked about his midfield options.

"Michael McGlinchey is a real talent and he's a shoe-in for that (attacking) role but it's who we play alongside him."

Herbert added he thought he would also need to find someone to replace the retired Tim Brown to anchor the midfield and with the counter-attacking pace in Central American sides they may take a more defensive game plan into the away leg on Nov. 13.

"How many creative players do we need in the side given the type of game we will expect away from home," he said.

"I guess that's what the games in September and October are about. It's a chance for us to cement the way we think we want to play and what will be good enough to beat Panama or Honduras away from home.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/soccer-nzs-world-cup-qualification-harder-coach-065950611.html

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over 12 years ago

MARINERS boss Graham Arnold has abandoned his hopes of keeping Michael McGlinchey for Saturday’s opening round against the Wanderers, giving the winger permission to depart today to join New Zealand’s World Cup preparation.

The Kiwis will play a friendly against  Trinidad and Tobago on October 15 in Port of Spain after warm-up games against two club sides in LA, as Ricki Herbert fines tunes his side for November’s World Cup playoff with a place in Brazil at stake.

Arnold was only obliged to let McGlinchey go in time to arrive 48 hours before the game with  Trinidad and Tobago under FIFA regulations, and had scanned flight schedules in the hope of enabling McGlinchey to play against the Wanderers.

But the best case scenario only would get McGlinchey into Port of Spain 46 hours before the game against Trinidad and Tobago.

Though Arnold could have kept his player here until later in the week, he gave permission yesterday for McGlinchey to leave immediately.

It stretches Arnold’s resources, with Daniel McBreen away on loan until Round 5.


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over 12 years ago

Could he be the missing piece of our midfield ?

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over 12 years ago

He's already been in our midfield - which still functions badly; so probably not :)

a.haak

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over 12 years ago

Mcglinchey really works better in front 3rd. In 3-4-3 hes largely ineffectual


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over 12 years ago

Wee Mac leaving CCM and joining Arnold in Japan.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 12 years ago
Leggy wrote:

Wee Mac leaving CCM and joining Arnold in Japan.

Confirmed or still rumours? Hope he does, would be a great move for him.
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over 12 years ago

Japanese club made a formal approach

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maynardf wrote:

Japanese club made a formal approach

  

I hate these statements that don't say anything. I guess we'll have to wait till January for the outcome.

"Mariners coach Phil Moss said before the clubs match against Adelaide United that no contract has been signed, but that a move is likely to occur during the January transfer window.

"There maybe an opportunity for Mike to head over to Japan in January but nothing is confirmed yet," said Moss."

http://www.3news.co.nz/All-White-Michael-McGlinchey-set-to-join-Graham-Arnold-in-Japan/tabid/415/articleID/325176/Default.aspx

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over 12 years ago

Now seems it will be a loan, not a transfer. I just don't get this - why would you loan out one of your best players mid-season?

I also don't get Central Coast allowing Arnold to go if he was still under contract as manager either.

Are Central Coast in financial trouble so they couldn't afford Arnold's or Mcglinchey's wages any more?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/9527661/McGlinchey-an-injury-doubt-for-Phoenix-clash

McGlinchey is "in the process of finalising a loan deal to reunite with Arnold north of Tokyo during the January transfer window."


Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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over 12 years ago

I doubt its a loan move. Season starts in March.

Youd think if it was he goes to Japan in May after AL season


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over 12 years ago
TV wrote:

I doubt its a loan move. Season starts in March.

Youd think if it was he goes to Japan in May after AL season

Its a loan with the eye to securing a full time deal, either with Arnold's club or another J-League one.
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over 12 years ago

Great, so in a few years he'll be ineligible for the all whites too!


Allegedly

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over 12 years ago

Nah it's too hard for him as has no family from japan. At least 10 years

Calling all fans in Japan, come down and support the mighty nix in Osaka

http://www.facebook.com/WellingtonPhoenixClubMembersSupportersGroupOsaka

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