but when it comes to the big leagues.. unlike mulligan
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The All Whites are hardly 'small leagues' and the A-League is no weaker than the levels he was at in England. We have no idea how he'd go in a 'big league'.
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HN,big leagues = any pro level in england for some people.
Allegedly
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Scoring at the world cup is hardly small league material. I guess Gold Coast were waiting to see what his impressions of Shandong Luneng were but imagine if they had filed the papers and then he realized he didn't like the place. Could've been pretty messy.
Luis Garcia2010-07-17 22:49:08
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Gold coast united wants to retain smeltz instead of transfer him:
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massively unprofessional from smeltz, this will look very bad for him in the international market
Normo's coming home
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smeltz good in the a league sh*te anywhere else
What a stupid post.
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massively unprofessional from smeltz, this will look very bad for him in the international market
I doubt it, clubs will pay for players no matter what they do, just look at Joey Barton.
I'm more amazed that he has such inept advisors. He's had a couple of brilliant seasons in the A league, topped it off with a good world cup and he went to China, (which lets face it 99% of the population still view westerners as an alien species), for very little money. His wife runs the household and obviously flipped her lid when the reality of China actually sunk in. What where they thinking?
I fully expected him to go to the Middle East or Greece somewhere like that.
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His wife would love the Middle East I'm sure.
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rumour of Vicelich to China. Sounds a bit strange
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From the herald article:
"One of the reasons he left Wellington and joined Gold Coast 12 months ago was to be closer to family. The city of Jinan, in Shandong province, is 400km south of Beijing and 8111.8km from the Gold Coast."
'Arf!
"One of the reasons he left Wellington and joined Gold Coast 12 months ago was to be closer to family. The city of Jinan, in Shandong province, is 400km south of Beijing and 8111.8km from the Gold Coast."
'Arf!
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(which lets face it 99% of the population still view westerners as an alien species).
Strangely FT you'll find there is way more coverage and knowledge of you big noses in China than there is of China in the West.
Way back in the 1990s I could also follow football in UK and Europe a lot better in beijing than I could in NZ (without having to pay for SKY).
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(which lets face it 99% of the population still view westerners as an alien species).
Strangely FT you'll find there is way more coverage and knowledge of you big noses in China than there is of China in the West.
Way back in the 1990s I could also follow football in UK and Europe a lot better in beijing than I could in NZ (without having to pay for SKY).
So a recent article I read which mentioned that the writer was stopped one morning about 20 times by local Chinese to have his picture taken never happens then?
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massively unprofessional from smeltz, this will look very bad for him in the international market
Why will it, JD? Do you think if a side was close to signing a player of Smeltz's quality they'd be swayed by this? Just because it didn't work out in China doesn't mean it would be the same everywhere.
It's impossible to do what you do for a job at full capacity, whatever that might be, with an unhappy partner/family at home. Anyone who thinks otherwise has obviously never had people at home who mean anything to them.
Good on him.
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His wife would love the Middle East I'm sure.
Depends if she enjoyed Sex and the City 2 i spose.
Three for me, and two for them.
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(which lets face it 99% of the population still view westerners as an alien species).
Strangely FT you'll find there is way more coverage and knowledge of you big noses in China than there is of China in the West.
Way back in the 1990s I could also follow football in UK and Europe a lot better in beijing than I could in NZ (without having to pay for SKY).
It depends upon where you are FT. China has been open to the west for almost 40 years, so along the tourist routes and in the business centres you lot are a dime a dozen.
In the rural hinterland it's a different story - so a westerner would be treated as a novelty. I'd bet that your writer was in some really out of the way place, either that or he was in Xian and being stopped to have his photo taken and then being fleeced for money by the tourist vulture vendors.
Re Smeltz. I can understand why his wife and kids would find it difficult to settle in Jinan (it's not Beijing or Shanghai). What I can't understand is why they didn't do a bit of a recce beforehand.
Also I am willing to bet someone else's left testicle that he and his family would have been very well treated and looked after by the club.
Still, it's not Ramsey Street, and everybody needs good neighbours (with a little understanding, you can find the perfect blend).
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massively unprofessional from smeltz, this will look very bad for him in the international market
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Fence-sitting.
I think that Smeltz has acted in at best a rather naive fashion (and he's not even 30 so I can say that!) and if I'm less charitable it is rather unprofessional.
BUT I do agree that if his family suffers as a result of him chasing Yuan than it really isn't worth it and it is better that he reneges on the deal and saves his family the angst.
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massively unprofessional from smeltz, this will look very bad for him in the international market
Why will it, JD? Do you think if a side was close to signing a player of Smeltz's quality they'd be swayed by this? Just because it didn't work out in China doesn't mean it would be the same everywhere.
It's impossible to do what you do for a job at full capacity, whatever that might be, with an unhappy partner/family at home. Anyone who thinks otherwise has obviously never had people at home who mean anything to them.
Good on him.
I think clubs will look at this this, and the problems when he went to GC (and that club in Turkey) and wonder if it is worth taking a risk on him.
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All very strange. Mr Smeltz seems a tad indecisive at times to say the least!
I couldn't believe he went there in the first place...I guess he couldn't either in the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
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massively unprofessional from smeltz, this will look very bad for him in the international market
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I think it's unprofessional to sign for a club without (clearly) havin any idea where you're going and what the city etc is like and to then walk out when you've signed. do your homework and at least visit the place you're planing to live. There are plenty of footballers living in sh*t hole places but it's their career so they make the sacrifices. why would you sign him now knowing that he might bail out of the deal?
anyway the deal was a dead end for him so I hope he can move somewhere that will improve him as a player and where we might actually see something of him
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massively unprofessional from smeltz, this will look very bad for him in the international market
Why will it, JD? Do you think if a side was close to signing a player of Smeltz's quality they'd be swayed by this? Just because it didn't work out in China doesn't mean it would be the same everywhere.
It's impossible to do what you do for a job at full capacity, whatever that might be, with an unhappy partner/family at home. Anyone who thinks otherwise has obviously never had people at home who mean anything to them.
Good on him.
I think it's unprofessional to sign for a club without (clearly) havin any idea where you're going and what the city etc is like and to then walk out when you've signed. do your homework and at least visit the place you're planing to live. There are plenty of footballers living in sh*t hole places but it's their career so they make the sacrifices. why would you sign him now knowing that he might bail out of the deal?
anyway the deal was a dead end for him so I hope he can move somewhere that will improve him as a player and where we might actually see something of him
Surely that's partly the responsibility of the club? If I was trying to convince a player to sign with me, I'd fly him and his family over, show them around, assign someone to help them settle in (big companies have these I believe - relocation experts or something similar) and make sure they felt as settled as possible and with as few concerns as possible when they arrived.
Agree with the last bit though. Odd move to begin with.
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There's got to be a good chant in this somewhere.
Come Friday 13 August...
Come Friday 13 August...
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Does your wife know your here?
Peoples Republik of Aucklandia
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Bare Naked ladies, 'One week'could be a winner (Chickety Smeltz the chinese chicken?)
It's been one season since you looked at me
Dropped your arms to your sides and said I'm sorry
Five days since I laughed at you and said
you just did what I thought you were gonna do!
It's been one season since you looked at me
Dropped your arms to your sides and said I'm sorry
Five days since I laughed at you and said
you just did what I thought you were gonna do!
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Does your wife know your here?
I am all for this.
Smeltzy, smeltzy (or judas, could mix it up..) give us a wave, once he waves, follow up with this, Does your wife, Does your wife, Does your wife know your here. Does your wife know you are here....
I can hear it now. Wonder if he'd blush
Azevo2010-07-19 01:19:31We will never fully decide who has won the football.
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Smeltz has technical things to resolve before being back with gold coast:
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Smeltz has technical things to resolve before being back with gold coast:
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Regarding the bit in bold....
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Vicelich, 33, will return to play for Auckland City in the NZFC when the Chinese season ends in mid-November, but international rules governing professionals playing in amateur leagues means he will miss about six games as he serves a 30-day stand-down period.
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Regarding the bit in bold....
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Vicelich, 33, will return to play for Auckland City in the NZFC when the Chinese season ends in mid-November, but international rules governing professionals playing in amateur leagues means he will miss about six games as he serves a 30-day stand-down period.
...what purpose does the rule serve?
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i think it's to stop pro players being parachuted into amateur leagues which don't have transfer windows?
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Ok, so in case of the reverse then.
SBS's The World Game has a slightly more heavily worded comment on the Smeltz saga than the YF's Radio Sport article on it's home page:
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/news/1014289/Smeltz-did-the-bolt-on-Shandong
SBS's The World Game has a slightly more heavily worded comment on the Smeltz saga than the YF's Radio Sport article on it's home page:
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/news/1014289/Smeltz-did-the-bolt-on-Shandong
"Sharing rewards the weak"- Steven Colbert
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Bare Naked ladies, 'One week'could be a winner (Chickety Smeltz the chinese chicken?)
It's been one season since you looked at me
Dropped your arms to your sides and said I'm sorry
Five days since I laughed at you and said
you just did what I thought you were gonna do!
It's been one season since you looked at me
Dropped your arms to your sides and said I'm sorry
Five days since I laughed at you and said
you just did what I thought you were gonna do!
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massively unprofessional from smeltz, this will look very bad for him in the international market
Why will it, JD? Do you think if a side was close to signing a player of Smeltz's quality they'd be swayed by this? Just because it didn't work out in China doesn't mean it would be the same everywhere.
It's impossible to do what you do for a job at full capacity, whatever that might be, with an unhappy partner/family at home. Anyone who thinks otherwise has obviously never had people at home who mean anything to them.
Good on him.
I think it's unprofessional to sign for a club without (clearly) havin any idea where you're going and what the city etc is like and to then walk out when you've signed. do your homework and at least visit the place you're planing to live. There are plenty of footballers living in sh*t hole places but it's their career so they make the sacrifices. why would you sign him now knowing that he might bail out of the deal?
anyway the deal was a dead end for him so I hope he can move somewhere that will improve him as a player and where we might actually see something of him
Surely that's partly the responsibility of the club? If I was trying to convince a player to sign with me, I'd fly him and his family over, show them around, assign someone to help them settle in (big companies have these I believe - relocation experts or something similar) and make sure they felt as settled as possible and with as few concerns as possible when they arrived.
Agree with the last bit though. Odd move to begin with.
Surely the club can expect that someone who has signed a contract to move to China has some idea what he has signed up for? He's the one putting pen to paper ultimately so he needs to be sure what he's signing up to.
Put it this way, if the Phoenix signed a player and then he turned up and they didn't like the look of him and tried to tear up his contract rightly the player's union etc would be up in arms and say the club should have dne their homewrok and they should honour the contract or pay him off. Why should it be any different the other way around?
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Reminds me of what some dirty Aussies did to the Kingz in '01 (from memory).
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The SBS article doesn't paint a good picture...
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also - waterfront mansion provided as a sweetener? Salary Cap? Although I am guessing the Phoenix guys in Terry's apartments aren't paying market rates...
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Reminds me of what some dirty Aussies did to the Kingz in '01 (from memory).
Boutsianis, Kalageracos, Peterson.
c**ts.
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It was a disgrace the boutsianis was able to be registered by another club that season
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there's still a twist (or several) in this one it seems to me. every aspect of the transfer seems a little odd, including the fact that he even signed in the first place. will be interesting to see how it plays out
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there's still a twist (or several) in this one it seems to me. every aspect of the transfer seems a little odd, including the fact that he even signed in the first place. will be interesting to see how it plays out[/QUOTE]
Twist!
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Ah he could still play some football for Team Wellington.. 30 day standown period isn't it?
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