The boats may be cool, but yachting stopped being interesting when KZ7 was put out to pasture. Then it was actually about sailing skills and tactics. Now it is like modern formula 1, where the engineering is amazing but there is a massive difference in what everyone is competing with.
I detest the America's Cup thingie.
I really don't get all the "hate" for the america's cup - it is what it is. sailing in itself is a miassive sport globally and in nz. The Auld Mug is just one of many big boat type tourneys and it just happens to be the one where the big $$ is spent. so what that the NZ government has commuitted $36m to it - would we be complaining if they given NZF $36m??? unlikely. It was a financial decision based on the potential return and lift top the economy when we win it back. The recent public interest in the finals is just typical kiwi "we are winning, so I'm interested" atitude. Once again - who cares - if you don't liek the sport don't watch it - noone is forcing you to, and it's not like the sailing is tkaing money away from anything you love.
Got any proof that sailing is 'massive'?
... it's not like the sailing is tkaing money away from anything you love.
I love driving, cycling and trains. 35 million could have improved roads, cycling lanes and rail services as an opening bid.
I like Kakapo and Kaka's. How about 35 million to breeding programme's for endangered native creatures?
All of those are things that will improve tourist experience when they come to New Zealand.
Cycle lanes yes. I cant believe they didnt put one along the extension to the western motorway...
35 mill will be recouped easily when the challengers come to Auckland
I believe that is called opportunity cost. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost
I like Kakapo and Kaka's. How about 35 million to breeding programme's for endangered native creatures?
All of those are things that will improve tourist experience when they come to New Zealand.
We got Kakas for Africa here in K-Town. So much so that they are killing off trees in the Boty Gardens and Kelburn (which I really couldn't care less about).
I think we need more hobbits (which will mean more RYOS outlets).
... it's not like the sailing is tkaing money away from anything you love.
I love driving, cycling and trains. 35 million could have improved roads, cycling lanes and rail services as an opening bid.
I like Kakapo and Kaka's. How about 35 million to breeding programme's for endangered native creatures?
All of those are things that will improve tourist experience when they come to New Zealand.
For TV and NUFC ? No way
Remember they both have to be of breeding age.
(otherwise it's illegal)
I really don't get all the "hate" for the america's cup - it is what it is. sailing in itself is a miassive sport globally and in nz. The Auld Mug is just one of many big boat type tourneys and it just happens to be the one where the big $$ is spent. so what that the NZ government has commuitted $36m to it - would we be complaining if they given NZF $36m??? unlikely. It was a financial decision based on the potential return and lift top the economy when we win it back. The recent public interest in the finals is just typical kiwi "we are winning, so I'm interested" atitude. Once again - who cares - if you don't liek the sport don't watch it - noone is forcing you to, and it's not like the sailing is tkaing money away from anything you love.
Sailing is not a massive sport globally dude. Quite the opposite in fact. Some Am Cup cheerleaders have been saying stuff like "neither is rugby, so that's why you should care etc etc"...but in fairness to rugby - it's much bigger than this joke thingie of a sport...and when you've got journalists writing that "you should watch it because it's part of NZ's DNA etc etc"...please...spare me...
Rowing? Less money spent but still in the same boat...
Yeah, not my best work.
I really don't get all the "hate" for the america's cup - it is what it is. sailing in itself is a miassive sport globally and in nz. The Auld Mug is just one of many big boat type tourneys and it just happens to be the one where the big $$ is spent. so what that the NZ government has commuitted $36m to it - would we be complaining if they given NZF $36m??? unlikely. It was a financial decision based on the potential return and lift top the economy when we win it back. The recent public interest in the finals is just typical kiwi "we are winning, so I'm interested" atitude. Once again - who cares - if you don't like the sport don't watch it - noone is forcing you to, and it's not like the sailing is tkaing money away from anything you love.
Sailing is not a massive sport globally dude. Quite the opposite in fact. Some Am Cup cheerleaders have been saying stuff like "neither is rugby, so that's why you should care etc etc"...but in fairness to rugby - it's much bigger than this joke thingie of a sport...and when you've got journalists writing that "you should watch it because it's part of NZ's DNA etc etc"...please...spare me...
not massive globally? really? take a look at how many Olympic sailing events there are and how manay countries compete,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailing_at_the_Summer_Olympics
comparing any sport to rugby as far is global is a joke - rugby as a global sport is tiny compared to most sports.
And thos ewho seem to beleive that if we didn't sponsor TNZ we'd get better roads or better breeding programmes for Kaka or better education are also well blind - the money would be spent on some other event which even less people cared about - like netball.
Participation of netball & cycling in NZ dwarfs that of yachting for crying out loud.
Equating AC with Olympic sailing is like F1 with motor mower racing.
You guys will have to help me here. When I left NZ in 1987 this Americas Cup hype was non-existent. I came back in 2007 and it was about.
Top down hype driven by, as I heard the other day, 'media, marketing and nationalism'.
Was that it?
Friend says he recalls, twenty years ago, as an eight year old some kind of, his word, 'outreach' with people coming to his school to tell them about the Americas Cup.
I really don't get all the "hate" for the america's cup - it is what it is. sailing in itself is a miassive sport globally and in nz. The Auld Mug is just one of many big boat type tourneys and it just happens to be the one where the big $$ is spent. so what that the NZ government has commuitted $36m to it - would we be complaining if they given NZF $36m??? unlikely. It was a financial decision based on the potential return and lift top the economy when we win it back. The recent public interest in the finals is just typical kiwi "we are winning, so I'm interested" atitude. Once again - who cares - if you don't like the sport don't watch it - noone is forcing you to, and it's not like the sailing is tkaing money away from anything you love.
Sailing is not a massive sport globally dude. Quite the opposite in fact. Some Am Cup cheerleaders have been saying stuff like "neither is rugby, so that's why you should care etc etc"...but in fairness to rugby - it's much bigger than this joke thingie of a sport...and when you've got journalists writing that "you should watch it because it's part of NZ's DNA etc etc"...please...spare me...
not massive globally? really? take a look at how many Olympic sailing events there are and how manay countries compete,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailing_at_the_Summer_Olympics
comparing any sport to rugby as far is global is a joke - rugby as a global sport is tiny compared to most sports.
And thos ewho seem to beleive that if we didn't sponsor TNZ we'd get better roads or better breeding programmes for Kaka or better education are also well blind - the money would be spent on some other event which even less people cared about - like netball.
Why? Is it a $35million benefit card that the government can only spend on whatever sports Brendan Telfer likes?
$35m could probably be spent elsewhere like say, oh i dunno, funding our national youth teams so our players don't have to pay to go to a World Cup!
$35M could have funded Adult Community Education twice over.... when it still existed.. -
The budget cuts reduced funding from $16 million to just $3.2 million -
which equated to less than 0.6 per cent of the total tertiary education
budget of $2.6 billion.
My whole floor in empty at the moment as everyone is off somewhere watching the race. I am enjoying the peace and quiet.
What I find annoying is that no one was talking about this a month ago, or even a week ago. Now we are going to win, everyone is onboard, raving about how much they like it and talking about tacks like they didn't think that they were only used for hanging things on walls until recently.
Also, I was on a conference call with a guy in the UK yesterday, who mentioned that there had been nothing in the press over there about it at all. I said that there is nothing in the press here about fox hunting or polo as press tends not to cover rich peoples indulgences from the other side of the world. He laughed and the other couple of people in the room with me looked outraged at my lack of national pride. I just smiled smugly.
If there was a sport call Bandwagoning, New Zealand would be World Champions.
Man United fans in disguise?
The boats may be cool, but yachting stopped being interesting when KZ7 was put out to pasture. Then it was actually about sailing skills and tactics. Now it is like modern formula 1, where the engineering is amazing but there is a massive difference in what everyone is competing with. The Emirates has a better boat so will win the majority of races - where is the excitment in that?
Except that contradicts what everyone has been saying:
- Team NZ has said that if they sailed like they did against Luna Rossa that Oracle would be in front,
- Oracle has changed the way they sail the boats, learning from Team NZ's techniques while tacking up wind and have suddenly become competitive,
- Oracle replaced their helmsman and have suddenly become competitive.
It seems like skills, tactics, and technique have everything to do with performance.
- Team NZ has said that if they sailed like they did against Luna Rossa that Oracle would be in front - heresay
- Oracle has changed the way they sail the boats, learning from Team NZ's techniques while tacking up wind and have suddenly become competitive - have you seen the score?
- Oracle replaced their helmsman and have suddenly become competitive - what do you mean "suddendly"? It seems that win about 1 out of every 4 races.
Heresay? By the crew? Better informed than you.
The score since the tactics change and sailing technique change is closer to 50%
I would happily lose the Americas cup if I never have to hear Loyal again.
Have to agree with you on that one. We don't need a big party sing a long where we all back slap each other like we are mates united.
Looked more like a "Daily Mash" article than a real one.
I wrote a song for 97(?)
F*** the Cup
didn't get much airplay.
Looked more like a "Daily Mash" article than a real one.
Oracle Team USA's win in the second race was met with polite applause, a far cry from the cheering as Team NZ led through the abandoned first contest.
It was too much for one fan: "We should have won it first time round. I am broken, I am speechless, I am nearly crying."
cunt
$35M could have funded Adult Community Education twice over.... when it still existed.. -
The budget cuts reduced funding from $16 million to just $3.2 million -
which equated to less than 0.6 per cent of the total tertiary education
budget of $2.6 billion.
If you want to learn how to cook tofu and mung beans or learn how to maintain a 1974 mini, pay for it yourself I say
$35M could have funded Adult Community Education twice over.... when it still existed.. -
The budget cuts reduced funding from $16 million to just $3.2 million -
which equated to less than 0.6 per cent of the total tertiary education
budget of $2.6 billion.
If you want to learn how to cook tofu and mung beans or learn how to maintain a 1974 mini, pay for it yourself I say
...andf i guess we could say that of the yachting as well? Or even education?
It was too much for one fan: "We should have won it first time round. I am broken, I am speechless, I am nearly crying."
cuntWow. That person deserves a sharp punch to the temple.
All that talk of where in Auckland they would hold it and the premature celebration when they were up...how's the form guide?
As any real sports person knows you don't start booking venues until you've actually made it as kharma has a nasty way of screwing you.
Jesus H Christ.
The media really are a bunch of low lifes.
No 3 story on NZ Herald and no 4 on Stuff webpages is the Kenyan hostage crisis. No prizes for guessing what has pushed it down the order (i.e stories 1 &2, and 1-3 respectively).
Knob ends.
All that talk of where in Auckland they would hold it and the premature celebration when they were up...how's the form guide?
As any real sports person knows you don't start booking venues until you've actually made it as kharma has a nasty way of screwing you.
I hear that NBC were not happy when NZ shot out to win so many races at the start as their viewing figures plummeted. Americans didn't like to watch themselves losing (irony being only 1 American in Team Americas squad.
Conspiracey theories abound. Millions of dollar potentially lost but may now be returned with a closer contest.
I hear that NBC were not happy when NZ shot out to win so many races at the start as their viewing figures plummeted. Americans didn't like to watch themselves losing (irony being only 1 American in Team Americas squad.
Conspiracey theories abound. Millions of dollar potentially lost but may now be returned with a closer contest.
I always love Derek...
http://content.radionetwork.co.nz/weekondemand/radiosport/22130.mp3
I need some "Asian Cigarettes" !!!!!!
lol what a shocker this is turning out to be.
We led that race for all of ten seconds.
Jesus, this is just getting funnier
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/americas-cup/9201616/Its-getting-desperate-for-Team-NZ-fans
Punters joined Father Harre Williams in a racing karakia hoping to send some luck - and a bit of much-needed wind - Team New Zealand's way.
"I want you all told hold your breath as long as you can ... and when I'm finished blow as hard as you can and blow our team to victory," Williams said.
"We'll send this breath of air to team Emirates New Zealand."
The crowd duly obliged, with fans saying they'd do whatever it took to get the boat across the line today.
"You've got to be positive," Diane Lindsay-Stevens, from Auckland, said.
"We are getting a bit apprehensive but we know they can do it."
fucking idiots.
it's like religion. "just think it and it will be!!!"