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Indecision 08 - The Fever US Election

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Tegal wrote:
sextape coming out soon?
 
It would at least look a bit nicer than one featuring Biden, but I think that's the only place she'd beat him. No pun intended. 
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I was meaning because of your Britney Spears comment

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Yep, I know....
My point that she's at least make a more aesthetically pleasing VP than Biden would, and Cheney, Gore, Bush I et al have still stands though
 
Problem being I can almost see America voting on that attribute
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Leeds_Chris wrote:
Yep, I know....
My point that she's at least make a more aesthetically pleasing VP than Biden would, and Cheney, Gore, Bush I et al have still stands though
 
Problem being I can almost see America voting on that attribute
 
Everybody forgets little Danny Quayle.
 
bl dq.
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Buffon II wrote:
A shout out in a VP Debate? I've seen it all now.


My brother, who I think is the best schoolteacher in the year, and here's a shout-out to all those third graders at Gladys Wood Elementary School, you get extra credit for watching the debate.

When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!

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Havn't seen the debate yet, will go home and watch endless re-runs on Fox hopefully but from what reports i have read so far it seems like Palin has held her own or at least managed to avoid getting creamed.

To me in terms of the bigger picture for this one if Palin had come out and jumped off the bridge like she did on the CBS interview then McCain was f**ked, all the stories would have become about how bad the choice of Palin was. Essentially because of her disaster on CBS no-one expected much of her but by coming out and holding her own she will have alleviated concerns. And these debates are as much about winning the expectations game which it seems to she has done.

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Tegal wrote:
omfg, Bidens closing statement 1000000 times better than Palins


IFILL: Governor Palin, you get the chance to make the first closing statement.

PALIN: Well, again, Gwen, I do want to thank you and the commission. This is such an honor for me.

And I appreciate, too, Senator Biden, getting to meet you, finally, also, and getting to debate with you. And I would like more opportunity for this.

I like being able to answer these tough questions without the filter, even, of the mainstream media kind of telling viewers what they've just heard. I'd rather be able to just speak to the American people like we just did.

And it's so important that the American people know of the choices that they have on November 4th.

I want to assure you that John McCain and I, we're going to fight for America. We're going to fight for the middle-class, average, everyday American family like mine.

I've been there. I know what the hurts are. I know what the challenges are. And, thank God, I know what the joys are, too, of living in America. We are so blessed. And I've always been proud to be an American. And so has John McCain.

We have to fight for our freedoms, also, economic and our national security freedoms.

It was Ronald Reagan who said that freedom is always just one generation away from extinction. We don't pass it to our children in the bloodstream; we have to fight for it and protect it, and then hand it to them so that they shall do the same, or we're going to find ourselves spending our sunset years telling our children and our children's children about a time in America, back in the day, when men and women were free.

We will fight for it, and there is only one man in this race who has really ever fought for you, and that's Senator John McCain.

IFILL: Thank you, Governor. Senator Biden.

BIDEN: Gwen, thank you for doing this, and the commission, and Governor, it really was a pleasure getting to meet you.

Look, folks, this is the most important election you've ever voted in your entire life. No one can deny that the last eight years, we've been dug into a very deep hole here at home with regard to our economy, and abroad in terms of our credibility. And there's a need for fundamental change in our economic philosophy, as well as our foreign policy.

And Barack Obama and I don't measure progress toward that change based on whether or not we cut more regulations and how well CEOs are doing, or giving another $4 billion in tax breaks to the Exxon Mobils of the world.

We measure progress in America based on whether or not someone can pay their mortgage, whether or not they can send their kid to college, whether or not they're able to, when they send their child, like we have abroad -- or I'm about to, abroad -- and John has as well, I might add -- to fight, that they are the best equipped and they have everything they need. And when they come home, they're guaranteed that they have the best health care and the best education possible.

You know, in the neighborhood I grew up in, it was all about dignity and respect. A neighborhood like most of you grew up in. And in that neighborhood, it was filled with women and men, mothers and fathers who taught their children if they believed in themselves, if they were honest, if they worked hard, if they loved their country, they could accomplish anything. We believed it, and we did.

That's why Barack Obama and I are running, to re-establish that certitude in our neighborhoods.

Ladies and gentlemen, my dad used to have an expression. He'd say, "champ, when you get knocked down, get up."

Well, it's time for America to get up together. America's ready, you're ready, I'm ready, and Barack Obama is ready to be the next president of the United States of America.

May God bless all of you, and most of all, for both of us, selfishly, may God protect our troops.


When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!

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Leeds_Chris wrote:
Tegal wrote:
Shes going to fight for working class just after taking the piss out of them...nice...
 
It was the middle class wasn't it? I didn't hear a mention of the working class at all...


The two brief mentions of the working class - when she was doing her down-homesy hick accent..

PALIN: And heaven forbid, yes, that would ever happen, no matter how this ends up, that that would ever happen with either party.

As for disagreeing with John McCain and how our administration would work, what do you expect? A team of mavericks, of course we're not going to agree on 100 percent of everything. As we discuss ANWR there, at least we can agree to disagree on that one. I will keep pushing him on ANWR. I have so appreciated he has never asked me to check my opinions at the door and he wants a deliberative debate and healthy debate so we can make good policy.

What I would do also, if that were to ever happen, though, is to continue the good work he is so committed to of putting government back on the side of the people and get rid of the greed and corruption on Wall Street and in Washington.

I think we need a little bit of reality from Wasilla Main Street there, brought to Washington, D.C.

PALIN: So that people there can understand how the average working class family is viewing bureaucracy in the federal government and Congress and inaction of Congress.

Just everyday working class Americans saying, you know, government, just get out of my way. If you're going to do any harm and mandate more things on me and take more of my money and income tax and business taxes, you're going to have a choice in just a few weeks here on either supporting a ticket that wants to create jobs and bolster our economy and win the war or you're going to be supporting a ticket that wants to increase taxes, which ultimately kills jobs, and is going to hurt our economy.


When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!

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kiwi pie wrote:
Leeds_Chris wrote:
Yep, I know....
My point that she's at least make a more aesthetically pleasing VP than Biden would, and Cheney, Gore, Bush I et al have still stands though
 
Problem being I can almost see America voting on that attribute
 
Everybody forgets little Danny Quayle.
 
bl dq.


Quayle... that's the one I was trying to remember. Still not quite as good a looker as Palin though.
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Palin proved a remarkable ability to regurgitate everything that was programmed into her pre-debate. And, she also channelled that folksy "gee golly willikers dontcha know bobby?" style of communicating that worked well for Bush in '04.

That said, how anyone can watch that debate - particularly Biden's last point on McCain being a "maverick" - and not think Sarah Palin got taken to the cleaners by a more informed and capable person, I have no idea.

But the American news media is f**king retarded, so who knows.
Michael Oliver2008-10-03 17:58:09
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There was no more obvious point that showed that she was only willing to discuss what she had rehearsed than when she completely refused to answer a question about changing legislation to block mortgagees claiming bankruptcy by going on to talk about discussing open up Alaska's energy resources.

When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!

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How do you find this sort of stuff?
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Arsenal is shooting it

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brumbys wrote:
How do you find this sort of stuff?


I'm well connected to the internet.

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wd sp kutgw!!
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3rd and final debate started, on domestic policy. Different format with a bit more back and forth!
McCain has come out swinging a bit today, although to be fair he has to land what amounts to a knock out blow if he is going to get back into the racebopman2008-10-16 14:23:41

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McKain looks old, confused, and defeated... reminds me of someone else 

E + R + O

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I really want to meet Joe the Plumber, he sounds awesome. Come tomorrow i reckon he will be on every network in the world!

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Hard News wrote:
Kevin Keegan ?




More like his successor - without the swearing lol



E + R + O

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I would say McCain came out on top, just but didn't do enough really. Only thing that is going to save him now in my opinion is Obama doing something very very dumb or if Americans are as backwards as they seem and come election day will not vote for a black man

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Obama will take it if the African American population come out and vote in the bigger states, I think statistically they haven't turned up in great numbers over the years, which is why you've had the red neck, gun waving morons in power........time for a change.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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bopman wrote:
I would say McCain came out on top, just but didn't do enough really. Only thing that is going to save him now in my opinion is Obama doing something very very dumb


Good to hear McCain did well.  Let's hope Obama does something exceedingly daft then.
loyalgunner2008-10-16 16:59:11
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my thoughts exactly...
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If you read it and think about it it does make sense. loyalgunner2008-10-16 17:05:07
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Only if you think the looney Alaskan witch becoming the self-appointed leader of the free world is a good idea.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Or I support McCain.  Rest assured I don't want Palin to rule the free world, having said that I'd prefer her to be President over Obama though.
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Lol, I can't be bothered arguing this so I'll just say a couple of reasons, and if you disagree that's fine.  Basically though, Barack Obama has gotten to the position he is currently in because of his race.  If he was white I doubt he would've made it much further than Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee, and certainly not as far as Hillary Clinton.  That's not a racist call, that is how I see it.  I reckon he is a good chap, but I would much prefer McCain who is getting a lot of support on basis of merit and not race.  McCain has been in politics for about 40 years I think, Obama has been a senator 3(?) years, and published two memoirs (and passed no laws).  That is hardly presidential material in my view.  And with Palin, she has been Governor for 2 years, but she at least has experience in leading.

Please don't get the impression from that that I'm racist, because I most certainly am not.  I just don't think a great deal of his support is based on any merit he may have.

That's my view, I know many people will disagree, but that's OK.
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I reckon it was an Obama win over the 90 minutes(points decision ) despite some defensive jitters early in the first half ,I watched it on CNN and they had one of these worm/graph things going  on during the debate ,one line represented male voters and the other females it was interesting that most of the stuff that Obama said  had a stronger more positive reaction with females than males especially when the dreaded Sarah Palin was mentioned or even more so when the abortion issue was raised ,McCain seemed really out of touch on that particular subject.
McCain is a brawler and tried to goad his opponent but  couldn't draw him into the centre  of the ring ,Obama mostly shadow boxed knowing that as long as there was no major cock-ups on his part he was home and dry!
Imagine if you are called Joe and you live in America tonight and whats more you are actually a plumber !!
Kiwi Jambo2008-10-16 17:29:37

The answer to life's problems are rarely found at the bottom of a beer glass - but it's always worth a look.

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