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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Note to self: Encourage the kids to take up underwater hockey when they become teenagers and football is ruined by know-all sideline c*cks.

"Phoenix till they lose"

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

(Personally) there is nothing wrong with a bit of sledging and if you can't take it, you need some anger management. There is NO room in football for blatant violence. I suggest Central Football should order her to do some anger management before being allowed to return. Just out of curiosity did Karori win? If so then it's a mental tactic which worked and the keeper is a sore loser.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

timmymadden wrote:

Just out of curiosity did Karori win?

Yes, 10-0.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

I think the only thing left for Greenie to do now is to send a card apologising for his and Karori team's behaviour, along with some flowers and a box of chocolates to the poor Lower Hutt keeper who's never done anything wrong in her life and has only punched 3 different people on the football field in the past two years.

That would actually be quite funny. Do it greenie.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

What is the correct response to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLBENpn_u0g&feature=youtu.be
Yellow card for dangerous play or a red card for violent conduct?

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Given there was no intent to injure I'd suggest a yellow card for a dangerously high foot. However it's easy to say that given the numerous replays you get to see.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I'd argue excessive force given the nature of the challenge and the likelihood of serious injury - red card for me.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Tough call really. Only one person knows his real intent. I'd say yellow for the very high foot but not red as, if the play kicked hadn't gone to head the ball at the same time it wouldn't have resulted in the nasty injury. This is why refereeing is such a tough job.

Its no longer a problem.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Intent in a situation like this is irrelevant - for me the issue is whether it's a reckless challenge (yellow) or one using excessive force (red).

My view is putting the foot that high is always dangerous play, but if the player only tries to nick the ball away with his foot I think a yellow is reasonable, but when the player fully swings his leg and challenges with a significant amount of force which can lead to a very serious injury to the opponent, to me that's always a red.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Up north, another womens footy team had a good old Sunday brawl. Cops are keen to track them down, presumably for some assault charges! http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10726696

About time for assault charges to be brought upon players who misbehave badly. Booms need to be lowered on these thugs and get rid of them form sports fields.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

Yes. The only time that intent is a consideration in the Laws Of The Game is in relation to hand ball.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Out of interest, did the guy get booked or sent off?Toffeeman2011-05-20 12:13:48

Its no longer a problem.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

A yellow according to comments on YouTube.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Jag wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Yes. The only time that intent is a consideration in the Laws Of The Game is in relation to hand ball.

Not quite, but yeah, mostly.

There's the pass back rule. The ball has to have been deliberately passed back to the goalkeeper for an indirect free-kick to be awarded if the keeper picks it up. Same with the keeper deliberately parrying the ball with his hands and then picking it up again. Of course, you could argue that both still count as hand ball (albeit with an indirect, rather than direct, free kick).

Oh and if we're being pedantic, deliberately leaving the field of play without the ref's permission is a yellow. It's specifically discussed in the bit about how defenders can't make someone offside by simply leaving the pitch.

Plus of course, the earlier discussion about deliberately preventing an opponent from taking a free kick is a yellow.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

PS My favourite example of intent in the LotG is that any player using deliberate trickery to try and get round the pass back rule gets a yellow. I have a vision of players around their own area otherwise quickly getting down on all fours to nudge the ball back to the keeper with their head! At school we used to do that to score if we had an open goal with no opponent able to get to you in time.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

SiNZ wrote:

At school we used to do that to score if we had an open goal with noï¿½opponent able to get to you in time.

Must be a schoolground favourite around the world.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

SiNZ wrote:

Jag wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Yes. The only time that intent is a consideration in the Laws Of The Game is in relation to hand ball.

Not quite, but yeah, mostly.

Plus of course, the earlier discussion about deliberately preventing an opponent from taking a free kick is a yellow.

Well, yeah but the 'Deliberate Trick' thing? I mean, c'mon!

Okay, the ONLY time in terms of direct free kick offences. Happy now? Sheeesh

I shall take this attitude of pedantry out to the pitch with me on my game this weekend and see how much fun I can have, and how little the players do!

Jag2011-05-20 12:57:37

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Someone mentioned over the weekend (when there was NO football

) that slide tackles weren't allowed in junior football.

Is this true? I hadn't heard that. They don't happen very much but aren't absent. E.g at the start of the season Jnr Jnr executed a perfect slide tackle to take the ball cleanly away from an opponent in the penalty area. Save of the match but could equally have been a penalty if it was mistimed.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

The topic of interfering with a free kick came up again on Saturday to which I was told - yes in fact you can stand in front of the ball until asked by the opposition. This is something which has been running through the Mainland lower leagues for many years now, maybe some official advise is needed from NZF...

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

Someone mentioned over the weekend (when there was NO football

) that slide tackles weren't allowed in junior football.

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Is this true?ï¿½ I hadn't heard that.ï¿½ They don't happen very much but aren't absent.ï¿½ E.g at the start of the season Jnr Jnr executed a perfect slide tackle to take the ball cleanly away from an opponent in the penalty area. Save of the match but could equally have been a penalty if it was mistimed.

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I know my oldest boy's (age 12) grade is only just allowed to do slide tackles this year. Last year they weren't allowed.

To be honest, I thought WTF at first, but then when you see how agricultural the slide tackles are at that level, PLUS the joy of seeing some good defensive thinking when they are forced to stay on their feet, i was a big supporter of the concept in the end.

Even this year, the slide tackle is still only used rarely, and even then is only used more as a last ditch effort The boys seem to have a better skillset to defend with, rather than immediately going to a slide tackle.

Yellow Whever Whanganui

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I reckon it's a good idea, will avoid some nasty injuries which can result from a poorly executed tackle and ask mentioned improve the skill set of the junior footballers.

Queenslander 3x a year.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I ref 12th Grade regularly and I had no idea. Example of why you shouldn't let the bordeline incompetent carry a whistle. Mind you it's never stopped Capital football (joking, not a serious slander of all referees, just the ones I tell are rubbish)... Hard News2011-05-30 14:13:39

How's my driving? - Whine here

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I was always told by my academy coach that the best defenders never end the game with dirt on their shorts. In other words, you shouldn't need to slide tackle.

Of course I was never a defender so my shorts were muddy es bro!

Fruglo on 15.01.2013 wrote:

Fuck this stupid game

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Agreed - it isn't a common sight. Perhaps a handful of times over the season from memory.

In the case of the above it was a last ditch effort (striker had beaten the rest of the defence and racing toward the goal and lining up for a kick. Fantastic timing getting a foot to the ball just a split second before the striker connected. The striker fell over from the force of his kick - no contact made with Jnr Jnr. Even the opposition coach was impressed. We still lost the game but!).

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

I ref 12th Grade regularly and I had no idea.ï¿½ Example of why you shouldn't let the bordeline incompetent carry a whistle.

Borderline?

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

The striker fell over from the force of his kick

Dom post Headline:
Terror Tots run amuck on regions playing fields- no option but to cancel games until behaviour is curbed!

Salmon swim upstream

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Off topic Salmon, but how did the Salmon go on Saturday? (He says knowing the result).

How's my driving? - Whine here

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

Off topic Salmon, but how did the Salmon go on Saturday? (He says knowing the result).

That topic is off limits.

we got shellac'd. On topic example (i was reffing)- UH attack for the thousandth time, cue keystone kops defence incl a handball which UH shout for, i don't give it so Uh decide to cross ball back in for striker to chest onto his left peg and drill into top left corner- i say-" i didn't give you penalty cos you can score goals like that" i think that was the tenth

Lets just say it was character building

Salmon swim upstream

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

Someone mentioned over the weekend (when there was NO football

) that slide tackles weren't allowed in junior football.

If this is true, it's new in the last 2 or 3 years. I used to ref juniors a lot and Capital Football release a document detailing the differences between the standard laws of the game - essentially where the corners can be taken from.

What I did find when reffing junior is that parents and sideline coaches are pretty crap at knowing the laws and fill their heads with all sorts of unsubtantiated rubbish.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Just checked the junior regs at Capital Football: http://info.soccer.org.nz/global/files/documents/capital/Junior_Regulations_2011_for_CF.pdf

http://info.soccer.org.nz/global/files/documents/capital/2011_Summary_of_Junior_Regulations.doc

No mention of slide tackling being disallowed.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

SiNZ wrote:

What I did find when reffing junior is that parents and sideline coaches are pretty crap at knowing the laws and fill their heads with all sorts of unsubtantiated rubbish.

I'm still surprised how little the players, managers and fans know about the laws of the game.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Many of the parents don't have a huge interest in the game other than supporting their kids.

The "no slide tackle" rule was mentioned by a parent from another club. I said that I didn't think that was the case. Nice to confirm I am a better manager than that team's gaffer!

(is there an emoticon for a smug git?)

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

SiNZ wrote:

PS My favourite example of intent in the LotG is that any player using deliberate trickery to try and get round the pass back rule gets a yellow.

Is this really true! I always thought that a diving header back to the keeper was perfectly valid...

take a look at this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDKmYG0EGWk

There's a better video of arshavin doing one, but I couldn't find a short video of it. Have a look at 'the funny side of arshavin' (should be first related vid) for another example.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

GenericFan wrote:

SiNZ wrote:

PS My favourite example of intent in the LotG is that any player using deliberate trickery to try and get round the pass back rule gets a yellow.

Is this really true! I always thought that a diving header back to the keeper was perfectly valid...take a look at this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDKmYG0EGWkThere's a better video of arshavin doing one, but I couldn't find a short video of it. Have a look at 'the funny side of arshavin' (should be first related vid) for another example.

Diving header would probably be OK. Rule is more targeted towards something like flicking the ball up like your juggling and heading it back to the keeper.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/5127686/Goalkeeper-makes-premature-penalty-blunder
Out of interest I looked up the LotG and there is no mention of this situation. I always understood that if the movement of the balls stops being towards the goal (ie bounces out then spins back) then the ball is then dead.
Anyone shed any light on this as I've seen it happen a few times recently. Obviously only relates to a shoot-out situation.

Its no longer a problem.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

While it's not explicit, isn't it pretty obvious when the ball is dead: when it can only go in with additional assistance from the attacking side.

I have seen a ball hit the cross-bar in the middle of the goal, bounce down at an outward angle (which would make it dead in your suggestion) and then bounce into the goal because of the spin, with the keeper stranded from diving to a corner. I've also experienced the ball hitting the post, bouncing back to hit me in the back as I've dived and trickle in... which is really infuriating!

There's a youtube clip of an Asian penalty shoot-out where the keeper parries the ball and then ignores it as he celebrates to the crowd... only to turn round in time to see the ball trickling in because of the spin of the ball. Sounds like the same scenario as that Italian play-off.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Same scenario in my signature. But the question I have is, if one of the opposition was to quickly run and grab the ball and put it on the spot for his own go before it had crossed the line, would he have been interfering?

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

timmymadden wrote:

Interesting question for a You are the REf scenario- i'd say yes, and i'd also say sign that player up since he'd have to make it from the centre circle to the six yard box in about 3 seconds!

Salmon swim upstream

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

What is the ruling in the case referred to in the Central League thread where a player was red carded for a tackle and then the card was rescinded due to the original offence being the player copping the tackle being offside. Did the ref get it right?

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

From my understanding, the player was on a yellow, and got yellow carded for the tackle, causing a red card to be issued. It wasn't a tackle worthy of a straight red.

I have no clue whether this is in the rules or not.

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