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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Shrek wrote:

What happens if players from both teams enter before the penalty is taken

If the goal is scored
If the goal is not scored

I'm sure we've already answered this question on this thread, because I just found this on my hard drive

This is interesting, because it happened in our game a couple of weeks ago vs Wellington United.

Except that the pen was saved and the encroaching player poked the ball home.

Smart ref awarded an indirect free kick against the poker-homer for being offside.

I was sure he was going to give them another go at it.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Offside? IFK is indeed the correct decision against the encroaching player if the pen is saved, but not for being offside.

almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

[QUOTE=Smithy

This is interesting, because it happened in our game a couple of weeks ago vs Wellington United.

Except that the pen was saved and the encroaching player poked the ball home.

Smart ref awarded an indirect free kick against the poker-homer for being offside.

I was sure he was going to give them another go at it.

[/QUOTE]

Yarn - it was the pen taker who scored the rebound.

almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

SiNZ wrote:

Offside? IFK is indeed the correct decision against the encroaching player if the pen is saved, but not for being offside.

My bad. Quite right.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Smithy wrote:

This is interesting, because it happened in our game a couple of weeks ago vs Wellington United.

Except that the pen was saved and the encroaching player poked the ball home.

Smart ref awarded an indirect free kick against the poker-homer for being offside.

I was sure he was going to give them another go at it.

Yarn - it was the pen taker who scored the rebound.

Not how I remember it but to be fair I was still losing my mind over the save.

Well this has all taken us miles off topic hasn't it.

Moving on...

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Doesn't matter if it's the penalty taker or the attacking encroacher that taps it home from the save, result is a IFK to the defending team regardless because of the attcking team's encroachment

When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!

almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

BNU gaffer kept shouting out to our ref about a 'new rule' where if a player tells the ref that he should card an oppo player - then he gets the card himself (think he was talking about a red). fact or fiction

And 2 - when does a player have to leave the pitch if play is stopped for them? always? id they are treated? can they go to any side?

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

my belief of the card issue is that it is unsporting conduct trying to get an opposing player carded, I don't think its a new rule.

almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

not a new rule, but being enforced more - to avoid players rushing the ref and "telling" him what to do,

Queenslander 3x a year.

almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I got really pissed off with HIBS players telling the ref to give us cards on saturday morning, we had a player sent off midway through the first part and we fell apart. The cards he gave were probably warranted but he could have made the decisions himself.

You know we belong together...

almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

In my game on Sunday our f*cking keeper got sent off for taking out there striker 1 on 1 when the striker tried to round him. Fair penalty and maybe red card. But then the Ref physically grabs and pushes our keeper off the pitch by his top, then our replacement keeper was putting on his gloves and he let the player take the penalty and the goal STOOD! WTF. I was so pissed. But anyway we came back to win scoring 2 goals in the last 8 minutes to win 2-1. Kharma.tomrewi2010-05-24 19:04:33

almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

In light of the AW Aussie disappointment, what is the official word on offside player like that was in the last minute goal? Fair call? Or interfering?

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Judgement call, but I would call it interfering while looking at it with one eye

almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Yeah i was watching with aussies and crying for offside also,they called me crazy. The way that ref went,the judgement call was always going to go the aussies way! Tegal2010-05-25 02:30:37

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Feverish wrote:

And 2 - when does a player have to leave the pitch if play is stopped for them? always? id they are treated? can they go to any side?

I would genuinely suggest CL + prem coaches attend a few of the Ref training nights in early season. They would all benefit along with their players.

almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

VimFuego wrote:

In light of the AW Aussie disappointment, what is the official word on offside player like that was in the last minute goal? Fair call? Or interfering?

Clutching at straws there. No danger of getting an offside decision, awarding the goal was the right decision. Unfortunately.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

To echo previous responses, it's not a new rule, it's just getting clamped down on more by some referees. In regards to making a player leave the field, technically speaking they are supposed to leave the field of play whenever they require a team doctor/medic/water bottle squirter to come onto the pitch and can then come back on at next stoppage. However, especially in the lower grades, a lot of refs don't bother if it's quick as it would waste time sending them to the sideline which would defeat the point which is to discourage time wasting. Blood stoppages should always involve removal from field of play until blood stopped and shirt changed if necessary They can go to any side, but at the higher levels they will normally be made to re-enter at halfway on subs side.

almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I agree, no offside call to be made there.

almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

In the incident between SO and WU where the keeper had the ball, kicked it down the field and then gave one of the opposition a Little punch. Is that considered to be a pen? or should it be a direct free kick in the box?

almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Im not exactly sure you can have a direct free kick in the box with out it being a pen.

In fifa rules the ref made the correct decision here.

almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

http://www.hawkesbaytoday.co.nz/sport/news/lift-your-game-the-refs-not-to-blame/3915553/

Good article about peoples attitudes to refs

almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Pudleypool wrote:

Penalty.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Direct free kick in the box? What?

almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

just wondering as when the incident happened the ball was at the other end of the field

almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

There can be no direct free kick in the box if the defending team commits the offence for which a direct free kick is given in other areas of the field - that's always a penalty.

almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Pudleypool wrote:

just wondering as when the incident happened the ball was at the other end of the field

The ball is in play and the incident happened in the penalty area. Only decision there can be is a penalty.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

thanks lads

almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Jag wrote:

Pudleypool wrote:

just wondering as when the incident happened the ball was at the other end of the field

The ball is in play and the incident happened in the penalty area. Only decision there can be is a penalty.

This happened in our Div 9 game - it weas a bit of a botch up all round actually, and will lead to another Hey Ref! question

Through ball to striker, keeper comes out and saves ball deflects up fiield (about 1o metres outside box ) striker and keeper collide in follow through. Keeper thinks he has been fouled and hits striker. Ref sees it and blows the game up. Decision?

Free kick outside box? However the free kick goes over wll, keeper gets hand on it- goal.

Bad decision. Right oucome. My question is... had it been an indirect free kick would it count as a touch since it came off the keeper?

Oppo players were saying it was no goal. Regardless, the goal stood

Salmon swim upstream

almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

For a start, Keeper should be dismissed for hitting opposition player. Second, was the keeper fouled? If so, free kick to defending team for the original foul - but note the keeper is still dismissed for violent conduct. If the keeper was not fouled, then as well as him being dismissed, it's a penalty - I assume from your description that the punch took place in the area?

For the other question, if there is an indirect free kick, then a keeper's touch on the ball would mean the goal stands. An indirect free kick cannot enter the net directly, but it doesn't matter which player gets the second touch as to whether the goal stands. Of course, the keeper's instinct is not to leave it - but that's what they should do if an indirect free kick goes into the goal without anyone else getting a touch.

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

hey refs out there, my lads are playing out at Te Whaea this weekend and some of the guys were wondering if they can where Skins under their shorts as they dont want to loose their skin when a slide tackle is required?

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

It's not really an issue (losing skin) on this kind of turf.

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

It's not really an issue (losing skin) on this kind of turf.

Excellent, thanks El grapadura. Mouldies or turf shoes?

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Mouldies definitely.

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Check out this random moment in referee land. Goalmouth scramble, somehow our team bundles the ball over the line. Referee calls goal, then notices linesman flag up over far side. Talks to him for a minute, then calls a penalty to us for handball on the line by opposition. Hasn't the advantage already been played? Then 4th official steps in and comes onto field (???) and advised the ref to give the player a yellow card. Not red? Harry Kewell much?

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

VimFuego wrote:

The only thing I can think of is that perhaps between the handball and you bundling the ball into the goal you lot infringed somehow (offside in the scramble?) therefore there was no advantage. Then yellow rather than red I can't explain other than it was ruled not to directly prevent a goal, but if its on the line

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

If a player hand balls on the line for a certain goal the rules really need to change anyway. It should stand as a penalty goal and player sent off for a professional foul, just my opinion.

Anyway, if a defender tries to back pass to a keeper, but under hits it, and an opposition striker comes tearing in, in a 50/50 situation is the keeper allowed to take hold of the ball?

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

timmymadden wrote:

Anyway, if a defender tries to back pass to a keeper, but under hits it, and an opposition striker comes tearing in, in a 50/50 situation is the keeper allowed to take hold of the ball?

No. A back pass is a back pass, has nothing to do with what the striker is doing.

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

timmymadden wrote:

Where do you propose the line is drawn on a penalty goal? How do you know it was deliberate? Surely a penalty and having to play with 10 men for the rest of the game would suffice as a punishment.

Allegedly

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Sure it's not always obvious, but the situation is exactly the same with the current ruling. How do you know if it's deliberate or not? The player still gets his marching orders and a penalty is awarded. What I'm saying is if in the same situation it should be a penalty goal, not a penalty kick.

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Doesnt have to be deliberate currently (yes yes go to the rule book,but referees use common sense to interpret it as gaining an advantage from an unnatural hand position etc). For it to be a penalty goal,surely you would have to be 100% sure it was deliberate,otherwise a penalty suffices,a penalty goal is pretty harsh otherwise. Where do you then draw the line? What you're proposing a penalty goal for is denying a goalscoring opportunity,would then a last man hacking a player down be a penalty goal also? Even if its on halfway?

Its a prettty ridiculous rule change,and it will never happen. Itd cause more controversy than the current situation thats for sure.

Allegedly