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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

This isn't really the thread for that

^ This

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

you know when danny vukovic hit the crossbar the other week, does another player have to touch the ball before it can go in the goal?

about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Pudleypool wrote:

you know when danny vukovic hit the crossbar the other week, does another player have to touch the ball before it can go in the goal?

only on indirect free kicks

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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Pudleypool wrote:

you know when danny vukovic hit the crossbar the other week, does another player have to touch the ball before it can go in the goal?

No. It seems to be a common misconception. I assume that at some point the laws of the game changed and that a keeper couldn't score from a goalkick* at some stage in the past?

IIRC Vukovic's effort wasn't a goalkick in the technical sense (a goalkick is defined as restarting play).

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Does anyone know if there is a maximum distance you are allowed to be behind the sideline when taking a throw in I thought there was a law that is not that old about it but can't seem to find anything about it in the rules.

So, in theory you could throw the ball in from 10 metres behind the line if you want?

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I always thought you had to be within 1m of the line.

I'm glad you bumped this thread because I have another question regarding distance. I always was under the assumption that when a free kick was given to the opposition, you could stand within the 10 paces until they asked the ref for you to move back and then had to wait until you were outside the zone before the free kick could be taken. However I was told by an official Mainland (NZF accredited) ref that this was not the case after I hurled some mild abuse at his direction after he ordered me back without them asking for it. Admittedly this was only confused by the fact that they had an indirect free kick inside our 18yd box.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

You have to move when the ref tells you to move.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

timmymadden wrote:

I always thought you had to be within 1m of the line.I'm glad you bumped this thread because I have another question regarding distance. I always was under the assumption that when a free kick was given to the opposition, you could stand within the 10 paces until they asked the ref for you to move back and then had to wait until you were outside the zone before the free kick could be taken. However I was told by an official Mainland (NZF accredited) ref that this was not the case after I hurled some mild abuse at his direction after he ordered me back without them asking for it. Admittedly this was only confused by the fact that they had an indirect free kick inside our 18yd box.

When a team is awarded a free kick, the opposition players are not allowed to be within 10 yeards of the ball until the ball is back in play (i.e. touched by a player from the team which was awarded the free kick).

Have no idea where you got the idea that the team awarded the free kick had to ask the ref to have the opposition players retreat.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think I've misinterpreted the rules slightly. I was asked by the referee to retreat the 10 paces, which I started doing, however they then took the free kick before I was the correct distance away. So my question is, I'm not allowed to be within the area regardless but they are allowed to take the free kick while I'm still in it? Surely they'd have to wait for the whistle at least. Possibly I should have received a yellow for being a nuisance, although ref probably was taking it easy as I made an 'honest' mistake..

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

bun1 wrote:

So, in theory you could throw the ball in from 10 metres behind the line if you want?

Nothing in the regs that i can see. Arsenal took a throw in this morning about 5 yards from the touchline.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

timmymadden wrote:

Think it depends if the opposition has asked for the 10m. If they have then they shouldn't be able to take it quickly as the game is restarted with the ref blowing his whistle.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

The rule is that the throw must be taken from the point at which the ball went out of play. While this can't be enforced to the millimetre, the ref has to decide whether you are seeking to gain, or gaining, an advantage from taking it back from the line.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

timmymadden wrote:

You're not allowed to be within the 10 yards - it's the player's responsibility to ensure that. The team taking the free kick can take it quickly if they choose to do so, and if the ball strikes you while you're within the 10 yards while they're doing so you are leaving yourself open for a booking (although refs with common sense will let you off if you were genuinely trying to retreat and didn't have the time to do so).

The only time the team taking the free kick is not allowed to take it quickly is when specifically warned by the ref to wait for the whistle (the refs will usually get the players' attention and point to the whistle to indicate this).

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

As a ref, I interpret the law as: If your outside the 10, even if the team don't ask for it, dont go inside it. If yr inside the 10, even if the team don't ask for it, retreat to outside the 10. If the attackers say they want a whistle, I'll march the 10 out. But just becuase the ref doesn't march the 10 out doesn't give you the right to go and stand inside the 10.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

timmymadden wrote:

I suppose if the ref asked you to retreat without actually stopping play to count it out himself I assume it allows the opposing team to take the free kick when they are ready and not the defence, if the ref counts it out himself surely play restarted with the whistle?

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

It's not really that cut and dry - there have been quite a few situations where the ref would count out the ten, and the attacking team still take the free kick quickly and the ref let play on.

In general, the smartest thing to do in those situations is to immediately start retreating, and get yourself in the correct defensive position, because the attacking team doesn't have to wait for the ref's whistle (unless he had specifically instructed them to wait for it).

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

That is if the ref has witnessed the attacking team take the free-kick correctly, otherwise if his back is turned and marching out the 10 paces the attacking team would need to take it again?

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

You have to be outside of the 10. If the opposition request the referee pace out the 10 (i.e if they think the wall is too close), then they cannot take it quickly. If the referee is pacing it out by himself, or asking you to retreat (which you should already be doing), then they can take it quickly.

There isn't really a grey area.

Allegedly

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

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There isn't really a grey area.

Just to clarify to all non-refs that you have to witness the restart of play?

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I'm not a referee, and have actually wondered that myself. Its frustrating when a quick freekick is taken and it is made to be taken again because the referee had his back turned for whatever reason.

Based on what I've seen I'm guessing the ref does have to witness the restart of play. Probably makes sense as they'll have to see if it was taken from the right spot, it wasn't rolling etc. But frustrating if the referee isn't paying attention. Especially when it is because they're distracted by a complaining opposition player.

Allegedly

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

From FIFA website (interpretations of law 13):
Distance

If a player decides to take a free kick quickly and an opponent who is less than 9.15 m (10 yds) from the ball intercepts it, the referee must allow play to continue.

If a player decides to take a free kick quickly and an opponent who is near the ball deliberately prevents him taking the kick, the referee must caution the player for delaying the restart of play.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Re This ^

On many occasions, I've done games where teams have tried to take a quick free-kick and have smacked it into a retreating player etc, and I've waved play on. If you decide to take it quickly and screw it up, tough.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

That's my take on it too - if the player is genuinely retreating and the attacking team mess it up, tough. But if the guy is just standing there trying to prevent a quick free kick from being taken, that's a different story.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

You are lucy that you have only got a fraction of the rules for union rugby! Rules are made by and for the smart ones to break and for the fools to follow!

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

That's the important bit ^

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

AngusBeef wrote:

You are lucy that you have only got a fraction of the rules for union rugby! Rules are made by and for the smart ones to break and for the fools to follow!

We are not Lucy (maybe a few of us are).

17 rules for footy (or was that 18?) - one of the reasons why it is such a popular game around the world. Not too hard to pick up.

Would be even more popular with goal line technology.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Jag wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

That's the important bit ^

That's also the bit I screwed up as I was deliberately trying to slow the play down. However I did retreat as soon as I was told by the ref so I guess that's why I got away with it.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Edited due to insensitivity on my part. Apologies

Toffeeman2011-05-19 15:32:45

Its no longer a problem.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Toffeeman wrote:

Question: If someone blind-side punches an opposition player after the game how many weeks should they be suspended for?

To paraphrase a great man:

What if you supported both Hull and Everton? And what if you were a twat? But I repeat myself.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Smithy wrote:

Toffeeman wrote:

Question: If someone blind-side punches an opposition player after the game how many weeks should they be suspended for?

To paraphrase a great man:What if you supported both Hull and Everton?ï¿½ And what if you were a twat?ï¿½ But I repeat myself.

By closing down the other topic you've actually made me do work.

I hate you so much right now.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

Smithy wrote:

Toffeeman wrote:

Question: If someone blind-side punches an opposition player after the game how many weeks should they be suspended for?

To paraphrase a great man:What if you supported both Hull and Everton? And what if you were a twat? But I repeat myself.

By closing down the other topic you've actually made me do work.

I hate you so much right now.

just jump across to Stuff - Im getting slain by trolls

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/5017186/Are-you-even-a-girl-whack?comment_msg=posted#post_comment

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

DP comments are slightly above Yahoo/Xtra comments in terms of crerbralness (akin to swimming in swamp slime and maggot eggs).

Just another way for DP to boost readership.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

get real refs #28 12:52 pm May 18 2011

I was at that game and the Karori coach Mike Greene was worse than his players. no wonder his players have a bad attitude with a ref like that. they need a few lessons in fair play. its not winning when you cheat

interesting, perhaps the coach needs to look at the way he does things too?

Queenslander 3x a year.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

That sh*t is whack. People on there commenting who know nothing about football let alone what actually happened. Head up Greenie, we all still love you.

Its no longer a problem.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

and again?

One.of.the.many.players.karori.abused. #31 01:06 pm May 18 2011

This is crazy that it made the front page....i cant believe they didnt tell the whole story either.....the verbal abuse was the whole game not just one incident and was towards all of the lower hutt players as well not just the goalie.

The majority of it was coming from one women concerned and the players they brought down from the central league, shouldn't they know better?. I agree that a ban should be for both players....but the verbal abuse from karori was unexceptable and derogatory.....the referee (a.k.a the karori coach) could see that things were getting out of hand but did nothing....and when it was brought up that players were being abusive he ignored it.

I feel if he was in control of the game and was doing his job in the first place none of this would have happened...maybe there needs to be a push for more official referees... You would never see the men's league fights (which happen quite often) making front page of the dominion post...

Queenslander 3x a year.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

love the reply greenie, sounds like a diabolical experience for all involved,.

Queenslander 3x a year.

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Mike Greene, you poor bugger, I feel for you. Can't please everyone, can you?

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

i have taken one of my players advice and stoped looking at that nonsense

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Holy crap, just read the comments. After reading that it seems clear that CF was wrong to suspend the LH player at all. She should get a hug and a written apology from the other club. The Karori player should be banned for 5 matches for bullying her all game completely unprovoked as i'm sure none of the Lower Hutt women ever said anything at all the entire game, and Mike Greene should be banned for life for daring to referee the whole game (which i'm sure he desperately wanted to do because every coach wants to ref rather than coach).

aitkenmike2011-05-19 15:58:08

almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think the only thing left for Greenie to do now is to send a card apologising for his and Karori team's behaviour, along with some flowers and a box of chocolates to the poor Lower Hutt keeper who's never done anything wrong in her life and has only punched 3 different people on the football field in the past two years.