Ok.
With the back-pass rule, what part of the body can the defender use so that the keeper can use his hands?
Ok.
With the back-pass rule, what part of the body can the defender use so that the keeper can use his hands?
Law 12, Decision 3
Decision 3
Subject to the terms of Law 12, a player may pass the ball to his own
goalkeeper using his head or chest or knee, etc. If, however, in the
opinion of the referee, a player uses a deliberate trick while the ball is
in play in order to circumvent the Law, the player is guilty of unsporting
behaviour. He is cautioned, shown the yellow card and an indirect
free kick is awarded to the opposing team from the place where the
infringement occurred.
A player using a deliberate trick to circumvent the Law while he is
taking a free kick is cautioned for unsporting behaviour and shown
the yellow card. The free kick is retaken.
In such circumstances, it is irrelevant whether the goalkeeper subsequently
touches the ball with his hands or not. The offence is committed
by the player in attempting to circumvent both the letter and
the spirit of Law 12.
ginger_eejit2009-12-17 12:05:20
When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!
so flicking it up to your head and heading it (even if the keeper doesnt touch it!) would get you pinged?
Founder
so flicking it up to your head and heading it (even if the keeper doesnt touch it!) would get you pinged?
Yup. Although I've never seen anybody try it. Yet.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
It's a cautionable offence to use a "deliberate trick" to try and "circumvent the law" on passing back to your keeper. What I can't see being particularly enforceable is that the Laws go on to say "irrespective of whether the goalkeeper touches the ball with his hands."
In other words, if the ref thinks Feverish was doing that trick in an attempt to make it okay for his keeper to pick the ball up, it would be an indirect free kick and Feverish would get booked for unsporting behaviour regardless of whether the keeper handles the ball.
Probably been discussed before but....
Why do A League match officials insist on wearing yellow shirts and black shorts when officiating a Phoenix home game.
If our keeper came out wearing a similar coloured shirt to the opposition, the ref wouldn't start the game until he changed it.
This is not part of a sponsorship deal because in the game that was televised immediately after the PN match last week, the match officials wore sky blue so as not to clash with Central Coast Mariners.
Last week at PN a ball was passed across field with the ref standing midway between the passer and receiver. The ball only had enough pace on it to reach the ref, 40 metres short of the intended receiver. Obviously The passer mistook the ref as a team mate.
I wouldn't put this down to a badly weighted pass.
uiron2009-12-17 14:39:21
Why do A League match officials insist on wearing yellow shirts and black shorts when officiating a Phoenix home game.
If our keeper came out wearing a similar coloured shirt to the opposition, the ref wouldn't start the game until he changed it.
This is not part of a sponsorship deal because in the game that was televised immediately after the PN match last week, the match officials wore sky blue so as not to clash with Central Coast Mariners.
Last week at PN a ball was passed across field with the ref standing midway between the passer and receiver. The ball only had enough pace on it to reach the ref, 40 metres short of the intended receiver. Obviously The passer mistook the ref as a team mate.
I wouldn't put this down to a badly weighted pass.
uiron2009-12-17 14:39:21
We're Forever Causing Trouble
Probably not deemed a big enought clash between the fluorescent yellow and our darker yellow.
I was more surprised that the Central Coast v Gold Coast yellow was not deemed too similar:
Or that the Central Coast change shirt is all yellow when their main shirt is yellow and blue, especially when they played us:
Probably been discussed before but....
Why do A League match officials insist on wearing yellow shirts and black shorts when officiating a Phoenix home game.
If our keeper came out wearing a similar coloured shirt to the opposition, the ref wouldn't start the game until he changed it.
This is not part of a sponsorship deal because in the game that was televised immediately after the PN match last week, the match officials wore sky blue so as not to clash with Central Coast Mariners.
Last week at PN a ball was passed across field with the ref standing midway between the passer and receiver. The ball only had enough pace on it to reach the ref, 40 metres short of the intended receiver. Obviously The passer mistook the ref as a team mate.
I wouldn't put this down to a badly weighted pass.
Why do A League match officials insist on wearing yellow shirts and black shorts when officiating a Phoenix home game.
If our keeper came out wearing a similar coloured shirt to the opposition, the ref wouldn't start the game until he changed it.
This is not part of a sponsorship deal because in the game that was televised immediately after the PN match last week, the match officials wore sky blue so as not to clash with Central Coast Mariners.
Last week at PN a ball was passed across field with the ref standing midway between the passer and receiver. The ball only had enough pace on it to reach the ref, 40 metres short of the intended receiver. Obviously The passer mistook the ref as a team mate.
I wouldn't put this down to a badly weighted pass.
The officials are told what colours to wear by the FFA, so the ref doesn't have the choice what colour he wears.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
The officials are told what colours to wear by the FFA, so the ref doesn't have the choice what colour he wears.
FFA must have told Hester at half time last night. Better late than never
We're Forever Causing Trouble
The officials are told what colours to wear by the FFA, so the ref doesn't have the choice what colour he wears.
Wasn't Hester, but I get the point! I was wondering if the players had complained about it last night which forced the ref to change his shirt at HT
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
Who was the ref, Jag. I thought I heard them mention his name but didnt really take too much notice.
He could have flicked his cards a little earlier last night, but I think we would have come off worse if he had.
The two youngsters didnt really get a look in did they.
He could have flicked his cards a little earlier last night, but I think we would have come off worse if he had.
The two youngsters didnt really get a look in did they.
We're Forever Causing Trouble
Ref was Craig Zetter. Could've and probably should've got the yellow card out a lot more than he did, imo.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
The officials are told what colours to wear by the FFA, so the ref doesn't have the choice what colour he wears.
Wasn't Hester, but I get the point! I was wondering if the players had complained about it last night which forced the ref to change his shirt at HT
the only reason why he did not book up to 4 players Congrats Jamie.
http://www.nzfc.co.nz/index.php?id=28&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=684&tx_ttnews[backPid]=30&cHash=84ca00a181
http://www.nzfc.co.nz/index.php?id=28&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=684&tx_ttnews[backPid]=30&cHash=84ca00a181
When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!
Congrats Jamie.
http://www.nzfc.co.nz/index.php?id=28&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=684&tx_ttnews[backPid]=30&cHash=84ca00a181
http://www.nzfc.co.nz/index.php?id=28&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=684&tx_ttnews[backPid]=30&cHash=84ca00a181
Yup. Nice one, Mr Cross. Congratulations. 
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
Probably been discussed before but....Why do A League match officials insist on wearing yellow shirts and black shorts when officiating a Phoenix home game. If our keeper came out wearing a similar coloured shirt to the opposition, the ref wouldn't start the game until he changed it. This is not part of a sponsorship deal because in the game that was televised immediately after the PN match last week, the match officials wore sky blue so as not to clash with Central Coast Mariners. Last week at PN� a ball was passed across field with the ref standing midway between the passer and receiver. The ball only had enough pace on it to reach the ref, 40 metres short of the intended receiver. Obviously The passer mistook the ref as a team mate.I wouldn't put this down to a badly weighted pass.
You might if I was playing.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Congrats Jamie.
http://www.nzfc.co.nz/index.php?id=28&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=684&tx_ttnews[backPid]=30&cHash=84ca00a181
http://www.nzfc.co.nz/index.php?id=28&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=684&tx_ttnews[backPid]=30&cHash=84ca00a181
NZFC: What are your memories of playing at the FIFA U-17 Men�s World Cup in Egypt in 1997?
Cross: The back pain.
http://www.fifa.com/tournaments/archive/tournament=102/edition=191606/matches/match=31615/report.html
Congrats Jamie.
http://www.nzfc.co.nz/index.php?id=28&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=684&tx_ttnews[backPid]=30&cHash=84ca00a181
http://www.nzfc.co.nz/index.php?id=28&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=684&tx_ttnews[backPid]=30&cHash=84ca00a181
NZFC: What are your memories of playing at the FIFA U-17 Men�s World Cup in Egypt in 1997?
Cross: The back pain.
http://www.fifa.com/tournaments/archive/tournament=102/edition=191606/matches/match=31615/report.html
As an aside: If we're talking about old Youth World Cup games (In this case U16)- I was at this one - amazing stuff!.
http://www.fifa.com/tournaments/archive/tournament=102/edition=191533/matches/match=31225/report.html
Scotland went on to lose 5-4 in an Penalty Shoot-out against Saudi Arabia in the final at Hampden, in front of a crowd of 58000.
ginger_eejit2010-01-14 11:55:31
When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!
I was at the game as well. The Saudis had the oldest looking Under 16 team I have ever seen in my life. Some of them looked like they'd never see 30 again, far less 15!
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
I was at the game as well. The Saudis had the oldest looking Under 16 team I have ever seen in my life. Some of them looked like they'd never see 30 again, far less 15!
I loved the line from Only an Excuse regards their apparent age: 'The Saudi team winning meant they left with a story they could tell their grandchildren..... once they got back to Saudi Arabia'
When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!
can anyone tell me, what's the suspension for a player who in the last game of last season got a two-yellow red card, the red being his second of the season and the yellow being his 5th for the season....?
Fuck this stupid game
Would be the relevant FA who decides that, based on the competition rules
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
we're talking local club football in gisborne, must note he has moved to nelson this season...that any help? is there not just a NZF ruling in stone on this?
Fuck this stupid game
Could be wrong, but I think it's normally local competition rules which govern suspensions. It'll probably be on that Federation's website somewhere
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
Being a 2nd yellow red, I can't really see it being any more than a 1 competition match ban.
what did you guys think of the Nix hand ball? I know the ruling says that hand ball has to be intentional which in this case I dont think it was. But I wouldnt have thought you could score with your hand?
Seems pretty clear cut - hand in unnatural position. Doesn't matter if he meant to do it, why was his hand up there? If not to back himself up if his head missed = handball
Lots of chat about this in other threads, but I'll leave this going as this is probably the right place for it.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Lots of chat about this in other threads, but I'll leave this going as this is probably the right place for it.
Yeah, Im interested in the ref's out there point of view and what they would have done in that situation. It sounds like the ref in question saw the hand ball (as he was asked at half time) but thought it wasnt intentional so the goal stood??? But surely you shouldnt be able to score with your hand???
Seems pretty clear cut - hand in unnatural position. Doesn't matter if he meant to do it, why was his hand up there? If not to back himself up if his head missed = handball
So you're saying that, while he was making his run and watching the ball and thinking about how he could get his head/boot to it, he also had the presence of mind to think "I'll stick my hand up here so that I can punch the ball in if I miss the header"? Really?
...and just to play Devil's Advocate some more, according to the Laws of The Game, it DOES matter if he meant to do it. If he DIDN'T mean to do it, it's not a free-kick. There isn't anything in the Laws about player's arms being in unnatural positions.
Not giving my opinion on whether the goal should have stood or not, just putting it out there. 
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
I've already put all my content in the other thread that is specifically discussing this.
However, to add something new - the whole "sure you shouldn't be able to score with your hand even if it's accidental" idea came up as a subject of a row at the confederation level not so long ago. It was either Asia or Concacaf in a situation that was a clear cut "accident" - no question of it being deliberate handball - but the goal that was given. I think it was an international, but could have been a club comp. The head of the aggrieved nation was arguing for a rule change/clarification to disallow goals from an accidental handball. After the fuss died down, there didn't seem to be any more news on it.
To be honest, if they changed the Law to award a free kick if the ball strikes a player's hand/arm, whether intentional or not, this wouldn't be an problem. I'm sure that would raise other issues though.
Some dirty, horrible, cheating Dundee United player did the same to my mob in the Scottish Cup this season. Life goes on.
Jag2010-03-16 13:50:19Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
You would see a lot of needless penalties from strikers smashing it into a defenders hand,Jag. There needs to be some flexibility in the rule to suit different situations. In the Payne handball case i think common sense should have prevailed. The idea from the incident SinZ put forward isnt a bad one.
Allegedly
That's why I said it would raise other issues, and those are exactly the kind of issues I was talking about.
Speaking from my own experiences, the whole hand ball/"ball to hand" thing can be a nightmare. Luckily, I've only ever been involved with, and disallowed, one attempted punch into the net. As far as I can remember.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
Seems pretty clear cut - hand in unnatural position. Doesn't matter if he meant to do it, why was his hand up there? If not to back himself up if his head missed = handball
I dont know if this is just me but lately ive been seeing hand balls going a miss everywhere. at the hilton, in the A-league, about 5 or 6 Team Welly vs. Canterbury in NZFC, the EPL....
I think referees are almost becoming scared of pulling up hand balls, especially in the box. And when does unintentional become intentional or vice versa? The only time i wouldnt expect to see a hand ball would be if the player wasnt even facing the ball, like if he was tackled and fell over or something and didnt know where it was
Ok- question provoked from a scenario in a recent EPL match- this didn't actually happen, just a what if.
A striker takes the ball to the bye line in the penalty box, shapes to shoot but just as he does he takes the ball over the line and out-a defender flies in late and clatters him; a clear foul but outside of the box because it is out of play.
What is the referee's ruling?
Salmon swim upstream
If he's taken the ball over the line, play would restart with a goal-kick but the defender could be booked or sent off depending on the severity of the tackle.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003