Awwwww Ref - Know The Laws

Even worserer - "But I got the ball Ref!" (Oppo player in crumpled heap on ground!)

oh and this...

Law 15 Throw in

At the moment of delivering the ball, the thrower:
� faces the field of play
� has part of each foot either on the touch line or on the ground outside the
touch line
� holds the ball with both hands
� delivers the ball from behind and over his head
� delivers the ball from the point where it left the field of play


how many times do we hear "he threw it one handed - look how the ball is spinning..."

as long as it is being held by both hands one of the hands can apply more force in the throw than the other causing the spin and long throw....

What happens if players from both teams enter before the penalty is taken

If the goal is scored
If the goal is not scored

Pedro the other week was standing behind the net - which I thought would be the worst possible position

When you say enter I assume you mean the penalty area, either outcome should result in th PK being retaken.

I agree with Keefy here. When I'm refffing without ARs I prefer goalline as you can still see most of the niggle in the box as well as a clear view of in or out. You also get a great view of potential fouls by the attacking team on the 'keeper.

I'm sure we've already answered this question on this thread, because I just found this on my hard drive

Sorry, didn't see the "both" earlier in the topic

Actually could be a good place to be....can see ball in or out, a panoramic view of players and is out of everyones way...though makes it tough if need to keep up with a breakaway by the defence.................

If you're holding it in both hands,itd be near impossible to apply more significant force in one hand than the other,to the point the ball is spinning.

and a touch isn't a hold??????

touching ball,not holding it:

hold 1 keefy_NZ2010-05-17 16:24:05

so you're saying you could throw it with one hand,as long as you are touching the ball with your finger on the other hand? I dont think so

No..never said that..the law says hold with both hands

A finger is not a hand!

hand�noun

So touching with one hand and an equal or more firmer touch with the other hand equals holding

in this instance holding defined as..
To have and keep in one's grasp:

More than just a finger would suffice ..the hand is the sum of those parts...palm, thumb, finger, wrist...

May not seem right but can only go by accepted definitions unless the laws give another definition or guidance..

Anyway..it is only a restart of play and the fuss it causes is dis-proportionate

ok ok i conceded a long time ago Is strange how a lot of referees call this up though?

I think the constant claiming of foul throws puts doubt in some referees minds if they haven't thought about what the law really says.

And with the offisde from goal kicks I've been an AR for a game and had to think hard about what offside law actually says...I began to doubt my own knowledge and almost flagged! I checked when got back to changing room....

So I guess a good lesson for all is to.check the laws from to timen the most obvious ones - else to quote Smithy..

We don't know what we're doing!

That may be the case - but as long as you give the impression that you do know what your doing, that's enough to convince 85% of the players/punters!

Thanks for the reply.

no..as mentioed  before attacking team was not in posession so they not infringed against.....indirect free kick.....
keefy_NZ2010-05-17 21:08:09

I'm not sure you can be denying an attacking team a obvious goal scoring opportunity when they haven't even been in possession of the ball.

I would think an IFK in the penalty box is sufficient punishment enough for the passback offence without having to also send the keeper off!

Here's what I'm looking for

Sending-off Offences
A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the
following seven offences:
� serious foul play
� violent conduct
� spitting at an opponent or any other person
� denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity
by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within
his own penalty area)
� denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving
towards the player�s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a
penalty kick
� using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
� receiving a second caution in the same match
A player, substitute or substituted player who has been sent off must leave the
vicinity of the fi eld of play and the technical area.


So IFK would be the appropriate sanction
ginger_eejit2010-05-17 21:15:00

It's simpler than that. The laws state under sending off offences where denying a goal or opportunity by deliberate hand ball, "this does not apply to a goalkeeper within his own penalty area."

I once had a team screaming for a penalty in that situation too. Why do players never think to ever read the laws?

Ginger, I don't think it really matters which team was in possession per se. If it's a defender who handles to prevent a back pass entering the net, that's a red card. If it's the keeper it isn't regardless of opportunity or denial of an actual goal. Still, you could argue that was what FIFA were thinking when the wrote that law.

True - I hadn't thought about the situation of a defender handling a passback, although Is that DOGSO? - that's more a case of a deliberate handball in the box, with a penalty awarded to the attacking team.

It seems a tad excessive to send the defender off - you could have the situation that none of the attacking team where in the defending teams half, a badly sclaffed passback goes beyond the keeper and is saved by a defender on the line, and the attacking team not only get a penalty out of it but a player advantage because the defender is sent off. hmmmm

I think I need a 2nd opinion from my brothers in officialdom.

If the ball would otherwise enter the net, it's not a DOGSO - it's "denying the opposing team a goal". Laws state red card. If the ball wasn't going in, but defender deliberately handles then penalty without a red would be right.

Indeed  - I had answered my own question with the bit I had highlighted!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/sport/football/3713099/No-little-stop-on-World-Cup-PKs

Interesting read

About time!

The Paradhina!

Good example of what's being outlawed here from Fat Ron.

It's good that they are clarifying the wording and giving a clear directive to say that something is unsporting. Gives the players less excuses in this situation. I've never had to deal with this specific situation personally myself however have seen players cautioned for a stutter where they completely stopped, took a half step back then continued.

Is umpiring foorball a science or an art?

Rugby is a science - Ref makes a call, end of story - do one thing there is a consequence
Football is an art - Making a decision is just like painting a picture, people will be split over it's merit

I'd agree with this for the most part. The only thing I might add is that a lot of the debate over decisions is affected by team bias. Obviously this isn't always the case but you get the picture.

Funny that, we had our keeper get sent off at the Napier U19s a few years back. One of our defenders passed it back, the keeper slipped, by the time he got back up it was goal bound and he dived out and swatted it away with his hand.

Red card.