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Cap 2 2014

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almost 12 years ago

I'm pretty sure the player has to take the field, not just be on card, enabling extra subs to be named but not played (and therefore regraded). It may not be within the regrade rules itself but a general law of game that you must take field in order to constitute playing a match. I'll try to find out.

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almost 12 years ago
energy24.7 wrote:

I'm pretty sure the player has to take the field, not just be on card, enabling extra subs to be named but not played (and therefore regraded). It may not be within the regrade rules itself but a general law of game that you must take field in order to constitute playing a match. I'll try to find out.


Upon reflection on that you could well be right, but I suppose it can more or less be the same thing with a player getting a meaningless couple of minutes at the end of a match.
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almost 12 years ago · edited almost 12 years ago · History
Feverish wrote:
Tegal wrote:

I'd like to see something like the trophymanager game has...

If you drop a player to your reserves, they have to stay there for 3 games (maybe 2 in this instance due to shorter season) 

Not that I know what exactly the rules are currently. But I'm working from my perception that they're too loose currently. 

You are making suggestions but don't know the rules? Not a good suggestion IMO 

Yeah hence I owned up to it. And as I said, my perception (from what I've heard from others) is that it is easy to stack teams. This would stop that, and allow those fringe players to get game time. 2 weeks is reasonable and wouldn't hinder anyone's first team chances either. 

You also forgot to point out that I took the suggestion from an online game, which makes me lose even more credibility :p but again I did own up to that too. 


Allegedly

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almost 12 years ago

Yeah but for every bit of tightening you do to the regulation to stop 'stacking' you're also taking away freedom which should be allowed for genuine football reasons (development, rotation etc.).  Many coaches would love to have no regrade rule, and it's not because they care about keeping up reserve/third teams.  It's because they want to be able to select and drop who they want when they want.  And it's hard to argue against the coaches prerogative to do so.
No one's ever said the regrade regs are perfect but they seem to do an ok job at the moment of restricting the ability to affect a game week to week with regrades while still providing freedom to select and drop players as their performance/development necesitates.

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almost 12 years ago
Tegal wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Tegal wrote:

I'd like to see something like the trophymanager game has...

If you drop a player to your reserves, they have to stay there for 3 games (maybe 2 in this instance due to shorter season) 

Not that I know what exactly the rules are currently. But I'm working from my perception that they're too loose currently. 

You are making suggestions but don't know the rules? Not a good suggestion IMO 

Yeah hence I owned up to it. And as I said, my perception (from what I've heard from others) is that it is easy to stack teams. This would stop that, and allow those fringe players to get game time. 2 weeks is reasonable and wouldn't hinder anyone's first team chances either. 

You also forgot to point out that I took the suggestion from an online game, which makes me lose even more credibility :p but again I did own up to that too. 

thankfully decisions are made by those in the game and not in a virtual world :)

Founder

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almost 12 years ago
Tegal wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Tegal wrote:

I'd like to see something like the trophymanager game has...

If you drop a player to your reserves, they have to stay there for 3 games (maybe 2 in this instance due to shorter season) 

Not that I know what exactly the rules are currently. But I'm working from my perception that they're too loose currently. 

You are making suggestions but don't know the rules? Not a good suggestion IMO 

Yeah hence I owned up to it. And as I said, my perception (from what I've heard from others) is that it is easy to stack teams. This would stop that, and allow those fringe players to get game time. 2 weeks is reasonable and wouldn't hinder anyone's first team chances either. 

You also forgot to point out that I took the suggestion from an online game, which makes me lose even more credibility :p but again I did own up to that too. 

unfortunately Tegal it shows your lack of top level experience and indicates your level of passion for the game in real life and not on the couch.
i have experienced firsthand the issue of players being dropped to lower grades and it is a bugger but we still played at 100% and almost stopped them winning the grade.
as i have said "Keep calm and play football" these extra player can sometimes work against you as patterns and combinations get changed but generally between 1st and second team squads that are run correctly there is a cohesion and so this dose not occur so much.


good sportsmanship and fair playing field is all we ask for

but all we get is talk and goal posts moving

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almost 12 years ago · edited almost 12 years ago · History
Feverish wrote:
Tegal wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Tegal wrote:

I'd like to see something like the trophymanager game has...

If you drop a player to your reserves, they have to stay there for 3 games (maybe 2 in this instance due to shorter season) 

Not that I know what exactly the rules are currently. But I'm working from my perception that they're too loose currently. 

You are making suggestions but don't know the rules? Not a good suggestion IMO 

Yeah hence I owned up to it. And as I said, my perception (from what I've heard from others) is that it is easy to stack teams. This would stop that, and allow those fringe players to get game time. 2 weeks is reasonable and wouldn't hinder anyone's first team chances either. 

You also forgot to point out that I took the suggestion from an online game, which makes me lose even more credibility :p but again I did own up to that too. 

thankfully decisions are made by those in the game and not in a virtual world :)

Haha there it is. 

Good job hiding behind irrelevant details of how I got the idea, rather than the actual idea itself. 

Spartacus, Jeff and energy: fair enough. You raise good points. I have just heard about team stacking being quite a prevalent thing, and that was an off the cuff suggestion as to how to get round it. Another way to look at it is to ask if a certain amount of team stacking really a bad thing? If the first team has played to the point that they are safe in their goals (perhaps safe from relegation) then maybe they've earned the right as a club to redistribute resources. Who knows. I think there does have to be a balance. Perhaps that balance is being successfully met now?


Allegedly

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almost 12 years ago

Well whatever Upper Hutt did or didn't do, they were beaten 6-3 by wests.

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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almost 12 years ago
Global Game wrote:

Well whatever Upper Hutt did or didn't do, they were beaten 6-3 by wests.


West will win the league easily. 
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almost 12 years ago

Just got from Wairarapa united vs Olympic  Wairarapa edging it 15-3

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almost 12 years ago
villa4life wrote:

Just got from Wairarapa united vs Olympic  Wairarapa edging it 15-3


Coach was telling me that they only had 4 players from their squad and had to bring players in from their under 17s who had just had a game and their 4th team. Keeper was shocking though, surely can't be their first choice?
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almost 12 years ago

Stuff being a keeper with that defense in front of him aye but I did think they must be missing a fair few players,honestly if United had of taken there chances it could have been 25 or 30 we have Olympic next week I'm picking it will be a totally different side 

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almost 12 years ago

Sounds like the Wairarapa team was stacked to me lol

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almost 12 years ago
Modmark wrote:

Sounds like the Wairarapa team was stacked to me lol

There were no players on the field who played for Wairarapa the day before for the 1st team.
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almost 12 years ago

Some folks around here get pretty sensitive when they read the word 'stacking'. We settled on 'maximizing resources' if I remember rightly

;-)

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almost 12 years ago

Sorry could not resist the "Stacked" quote, I will take it back and replace it with:-


 "The Wairarapa team maximized there resources to help the Res team get the much needed results"


Hope that this eases the tension and again im sorry if I offended anybody.


:-)  

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almost 12 years ago
Modmark wrote:

Sorry could not resist the "Stacked" quote, I will take it back and replace it with:-


 "The Wairarapa team maximized there resources to help the Res team get the much needed results"


Hope that this eases the tension and again im sorry if I offended anybody.


:-)  

do you have some proof of the maximising as others have commented that this is not the case so are you just ASSUMING cause of the score?????

good sportsmanship and fair playing field is all we ask for

but all we get is talk and goal posts moving

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almost 12 years ago · edited almost 12 years ago · History
Modmark wrote:

Sorry could not resist the "Stacked" quote, I will take it back and replace it with:-


 "The Wairarapa team maximized there resources to help the Res team get the much needed results"


Hope that this eases the tension and again im sorry if I offended anybody.


:-)  



 

do you have some proof of the maximising as others have commented that this is not the case so are you just ASSUMING cause of the score?????


Perhaps Olympic stacked the team below in Cap 5??

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almost 12 years ago

You cant use the work "STACKED" but probably not lol

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almost 12 years ago
Modmark wrote:

Sorry could not resist the "Stacked" quote, I will take it back and replace it with:-


 "The Wairarapa team maximized there resources to help the Res team get the much needed results"


Hope that this eases the tension and again im sorry if I offended anybody.


:-)  

do you have some proof of the maximising as others have commented that this is not the case so are you just ASSUMING cause of the score?????


A little light humour, lets all relax  

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almost 12 years ago

Whatever euphemism you care to choose, sometimes it just doesn't work out does it? Upper Hutt lost 6-2 to Olympic in the 5.30 CL game and the 2nd team lost 6-3 to Wests at 12.30 in cap2.

Games featuring 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th tonight.

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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almost 12 years ago
Modmark wrote:
Modmark wrote:

Sorry could not resist the "Stacked" quote, I will take it back and replace it with:-


 "The Wairarapa team maximized there resources to help the Res team get the much needed results"


Hope that this eases the tension and again im sorry if I offended anybody.


:-)  

do you have some proof of the maximising as others have commented that this is not the case so are you just ASSUMING cause of the score?????


A little light humour, lets all relax  

i did not mean to be serious but you can ask a question to cause the same effect without stating it as fact as you did in your first post but sometimes a ? or two can help or a "might be""looks like" or the best one"in my opinion" in your second post where you removed the dark word that causes so much pain the info inside the quotes"" looks like a fact….
and don't let the occasional mistake stop your posting...

good sportsmanship and fair playing field is all we ask for

but all we get is talk and goal posts moving

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almost 12 years ago

IBU win 3-1 over Lower Hutt at Wakefield in the pouring rain. Lower Hutt lad received a straight red for pretty malicious tackle. Talking to the lads, apparently it wasn't his only shocker (he'd also received a yellow earlier).

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almost 12 years ago

Hey energy,

I think they forgot to mention the head butt by a island bay player also. Red card for lower hutt player was average decision to be a straight red, was possibly only a yellow at best.


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almost 12 years ago
sweepa wrote:

Hey energy,

I think they forgot to mention the head butt by a island bay player also. Red card for lower hutt player was average decision to be a straight red, was possibly only a yellow at best.



I thought it was a pretty average tackle, maybe a yellow instead of a straight red but that still would of resulted in a red (second yellow).  I didn't see the "headbutt" as a lot was going on so can't comment on that.

Apart from this incident I thought it was a pretty even game, Lower Hutt held the ball a bit better than IBU in the first half.  If that is the Lower Hutt team week in week out I think they will do pretty well in Cap 2
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almost 12 years ago

Looks like the odd bods at CF have moved round 18 forward to 10/5 - any ideas behind the logic? Understand it's Chatham Cup but only one team in the league qualifies so why the reshuffle? Could have just played round 6 as scheduled one would have thought.


Anyone got the facts or just care to take a wild stab in the dark?

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almost 12 years ago

I figure maybe it is just easier to set it to play every divisions round 18 on sportingpulse? It's the same for us in cap9. 


Allegedly

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almost 12 years ago

is it because jamie has left/leaving?

good sportsmanship and fair playing field is all we ask for

but all we get is talk and goal posts moving

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almost 12 years ago · edited almost 12 years ago · History

I cant remember the last time a season was ever played round 1-18. I dont know why they do it, but they do. Rounds were jumbled up last season, and the season before. I think last season in Cap 5 we even played the same side twice in 2 weeks because of it.

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almost 12 years ago

Match up of the round has to be Upper Hutt vs Wairarapa. A loss for either side could really dent any title aspirations this early in the season.
Expect Wests will be too strong for Stop Out with the early form they've shown.

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almost 12 years ago

Didn't get to see the game, how did Olympic v Villa go?

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almost 12 years ago

TIME & VENUEHOME TEAMAWAY TEAM
12:00 PM
Sat 3 MayLive Now
Kura Park (Map)
Tawa AFC 3 FINAL 0 Lower Hutt City Match Centre

2:30 PM
Sat 3 MayLive Now
Hutt Park 2 (Map)
Stop Out 2 FINAL 4 Western Suburbs Match Centre

2:30 PM
Sat 3 MayLive Now
Kelburn Park (Map)
Victoria University 0 FINAL 1 Island Bay United Match Centre

2:30 PM
Sat 3 MayLive Now
MacAlister 1 (Map)
Wellington Olympic 3 FINAL 3 Douglas Villa Match Centre

5:30 PM
Sat 3 MayLive Now
Maidstone Park (Turf) (Map)
Upper Hutt City 6 FINAL 2 Wairarapa United Match Centre


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almost 12 years ago


That Wests team must be pretty strong. Full of Ole young guys?

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almost 12 years ago
Tyler wrote:


That Wests team must be pretty strong. Full of Ole young guys?

Yes, quite a few OLE lads in that team. They are pretty useful. They give the Wests 1st team good game(s) at their training sessions.
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almost 12 years ago

Any profound thoughts on this weeks fixtures?

The bye at least gives a chance for the field to make up some points on Wests who have a nice gap at the top already.

What are the thoughts on the Monday night games? Pretty miserable if you ask me.

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almost 12 years ago
Chopper wrote:

Any profound thoughts on this weeks fixtures?

The bye at least gives a chance for the field to make up some points on Wests who have a nice gap at the top already.

What are the thoughts on the Monday night games? Pretty miserable if you ask me.


Profound thoughts? On here? Ambitious.

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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almost 12 years ago
Global Game wrote:
Chopper wrote:

Any profound thoughts on this weeks fixtures?

The bye at least gives a chance for the field to make up some points on Wests who have a nice gap at the top already.

What are the thoughts on the Monday night games? Pretty miserable if you ask me.


Profound thoughts? On here? Ambitious.

Very philosophical
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almost 12 years ago

Any match reports from the last round?

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almost 12 years ago

Sat 17 May: Wests beat University 7-0

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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almost 12 years ago

Any comments on the game? Or other games for that matter? Personally I think Wests are gonna be pretty tough to beat this year. Will be interesting to see if Island Bay can stop them this weekend.

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