Gulley is no longer a contracted Phoenix player , hmm.
question, why would he transfer to wgtn united if he is no longer required at the phoenix??
why would he not go back to his home club, stop out
let see how many more contracts are so called torn up.
Gulley is no longer a contracted Phoenix player , hmm.
question, why would he transfer to wgtn united if he is no longer required at the phoenix??
why would he not go back to his home club, stop out
let see how many more contracts are so called torn up.
maybe he has been asked to work on some things to earn a contract. I noticed Tam dimario is at rapa these days so guess he's been released.
FWIW Justin Gulley's transfer came from the ASBP which implies he didn't have a pro contract.
Not true. CF said that NZF do not want any involvement as it is a local competition run under CF rules and regulations. CF decision.
I think that CF may find themselves in some smelly stuff if they were to thumb their noses at NZF, who have a rule (or regulation) which roughly states that you can't do anything contrary to their (NZF) rules or regs.
It seems that the kerfuffle is over for the time being anyway. The information I have been given is that Gulley is no longer a contracted Phoenix player, he stood down the month after his last game, and Wellington Utd have been told that the plans to bring pro's into the game this year is a no go. At the meeting, at least five Central League clubs were against the proposal, 2 were for it, 2 were on the fence and the other did not comment.
Is it common knowledge which clubs were for, against or non-committal?
Kotahitanga. We are one.
so it's people digging their heels in and protecting their own interests to the detriment of football as a whole in NZ. Sounds familiar.
If we didn't have people in the elite amateur game in it to further their own interests (even if just to look like a Johnny Big Tomatoes) then our top local league would be a sharke social league.
Fair point. But there are times when that self interest can be detrimental to the overall interest of football in NZ, and this feels like one of those times.
why?
Feverish is right.
"The overall interests of football in NZ" is very much a question of perspective.
Does it mean the greater good of the All Whites? The Phoenix?
What about the greater good of amateur club football where the vast majority of time, effort, players and money is spent?
This proposal from the Phoenix is essentially "accept an imbalance, an unfairness, for us to play pros because in the long run it will be better for us, and that is better for you" but what I don't think they have considered is two key things: 1. why is it better in the long run for the people they are asking it of and 2. what about the short term detriment (unfair leagues, imbalanced rules)?
Capital Football and New Zealand Foodball have rightly, in my opinion, made some significant concessions to the Phoenix in recent times. Allowed them to bend the rules for the greater good of the professional and men's elite forms of the game.
Those changes have, to date, not had any measurable impact on chaps who go out on a Saturday to have a run around for fun.
But now, the Phoenix seek to extend that rule-bending into the realm of the enthusiastic amateur punter. Blokes who (some of them anyway) pay to play the game. I think that is pretty on the nose and they should really think about it from the other side of the fence once in a while.
Maybe they have and I just haven't seen it. But that is how it appears to me.
That obviously wasn't the case, but surely from the Nix perspective it's worth putting it to a vote amongst the Central League clubs?
It's not like they went above Cap Football and straight to NZF to get it approved or anything,or are whining about the decision in the media.
Paid? Sail was in ASBP side. Gulley is off contract (and by the looks of it never had a pro contract anyway)
Gulley had a pro contract but is now off contract. That makes him an amateur player and he can sign for whoever the fudge he wants.
so it's people digging their heels in and protecting their own interests to the detriment of football as a whole in NZ. Sounds familiar.
If we didn't have people in the elite amateur game in it to further their own interests (even if just to look like a Johnny Big Tomatoes) then our top local league would be a sharke social league.
Fair point. But there are times when that self interest can be detrimental to the overall interest of football in NZ, and this feels like one of those times.
why?
Feverish is right.
"The overall interests of football in NZ" is very much a question of perspective.
Does it mean the greater good of the All Whites? The Phoenix?
What about the greater good of amateur club football where the vast majority of time, effort, players and money is spent?
This proposal from the Phoenix is essentially "accept an imbalance, an unfairness, for us to play pros because in the long run it will be better for us, and that is better for you" but what I don't think they have considered is two key things: 1. why is it better in the long run for the people they are asking it of and 2. what about the short term detriment (unfair leagues, imbalanced rules)?
Capital Football and New Zealand Foodball have rightly, in my opinion, made some significant concessions to the Phoenix in recent times. Allowed them to bend the rules for the greater good of the professional and men's elite forms of the game.
Those changes have, to date, not had any measurable impact on chaps who go out on a Saturday to have a run around for fun.
But now, the Phoenix seek to extend that rule-bending into the realm of the enthusiastic amateur punter. Blokes who (some of them anyway) pay to play the game. I think that is pretty on the nose and they should really think about it from the other side of the fence once in a while.
Maybe they have and I just haven't seen it. But that is how it appears to me.
That obviously wasn't the case, but surely from the Nix perspective it's worth putting it to a vote amongst the Central League clubs?
It's not like they went above Cap Football and straight to NZF to get it approved or anything,or are whining about the decision in the media.
The harm in asking is the pretty obvious public relations fallout. Local clubs and their members are the Phoenix's key target market.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
so it's people digging their heels in and protecting their own interests to the detriment of football as a whole in NZ. Sounds familiar.
If we didn't have people in the elite amateur game in it to further their own interests (even if just to look like a Johnny Big Tomatoes) then our top local league would be a sharke social league.
Fair point. But there are times when that self interest can be detrimental to the overall interest of football in NZ, and this feels like one of those times.
why?
Feverish is right.
"The overall interests of football in NZ" is very much a question of perspective.
Does it mean the greater good of the All Whites? The Phoenix?
What about the greater good of amateur club football where the vast majority of time, effort, players and money is spent?
This proposal from the Phoenix is essentially "accept an imbalance, an unfairness, for us to play pros because in the long run it will be better for us, and that is better for you" but what I don't think they have considered is two key things: 1. why is it better in the long run for the people they are asking it of and 2. what about the short term detriment (unfair leagues, imbalanced rules)?
Capital Football and New Zealand Foodball have rightly, in my opinion, made some significant concessions to the Phoenix in recent times. Allowed them to bend the rules for the greater good of the professional and men's elite forms of the game.
Those changes have, to date, not had any measurable impact on chaps who go out on a Saturday to have a run around for fun.
But now, the Phoenix seek to extend that rule-bending into the realm of the enthusiastic amateur punter. Blokes who (some of them anyway) pay to play the game. I think that is pretty on the nose and they should really think about it from the other side of the fence once in a while.
Maybe they have and I just haven't seen it. But that is how it appears to me.
That obviously wasn't the case, but surely from the Nix perspective it's worth putting it to a vote amongst the Central League clubs?
It's not like they went above Cap Football and straight to NZF to get it approved or anything,or are whining about the decision in the media.
The harm in asking is the pretty obvious public relations fallout. Local clubs and their members are the Phoenix's key target market.
True. Good point.
so it's people digging their heels in and protecting their own interests to the detriment of football as a whole in NZ. Sounds familiar.
If we didn't have people in the elite amateur game in it to further their own interests (even if just to look like a Johnny Big Tomatoes) then our top local league would be a sharke social league.
Fair point. But there are times when that self interest can be detrimental to the overall interest of football in NZ, and this feels like one of those times.
why?
Feverish is right.
"The overall interests of football in NZ" is very much a question of perspective.
Does it mean the greater good of the All Whites? The Phoenix?
What about the greater good of amateur club football where the vast majority of time, effort, players and money is spent?
This proposal from the Phoenix is essentially "accept an imbalance, an unfairness, for us to play pros because in the long run it will be better for us, and that is better for you" but what I don't think they have considered is two key things: 1. why is it better in the long run for the people they are asking it of and 2. what about the short term detriment (unfair leagues, imbalanced rules)?
Capital Football and New Zealand Foodball have rightly, in my opinion, made some significant concessions to the Phoenix in recent times. Allowed them to bend the rules for the greater good of the professional and men's elite forms of the game.
Those changes have, to date, not had any measurable impact on chaps who go out on a Saturday to have a run around for fun.
But now, the Phoenix seek to extend that rule-bending into the realm of the enthusiastic amateur punter. Blokes who (some of them anyway) pay to play the game. I think that is pretty on the nose and they should really think about it from the other side of the fence once in a while.
Maybe they have and I just haven't seen it. But that is how it appears to me.
That obviously wasn't the case, but surely from the Nix perspective it's worth putting it to a vote amongst the Central League clubs?
It's not like they went above Cap Football and straight to NZF to get it approved or anything,or are whining about the decision in the media.
The harm in asking is the pretty obvious public relations fallout. Local clubs and their members are the Phoenix's key target market.
True. Good point.
I thought so :) Not a killer point though. I think you are also right, that the Phoenix are entitled to ask. Perhaps it's about the way they ask. Perhaps they should be engaging with clubs instead of just getting CF to put it to the vote. Maybe they are! I dunno.
Does make me wonder though whether the whole Wellington United Phoenix thing is a bit of a double-edged sword. Sure it builds the 'development pathway' (the one that has produced nothing so far). But it puts the Phoenix directly into competition with the people it hopes will be its core fans.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
I've always felt like there's a lack of engagement between the Nix and senior club players in Wellington (Dunno about junior players). It seems like there's been missed opportunities to get club players connected to the Nix as fans - a lot of guys who play football in Wellington and follow EPL teams never go to Nix games and are dismissive of the club. Having Nix youth players stacking a side in the highest local club level probably isn't going to help that
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
What do the youth players of other A League clubs do over winter? Do they play in NPL sides?
Most, if not all, A league clubs now have their youth teams competing in National State Premier Leagues; the big difference being that the upper echelons of these are openly professional leagues.
On the Nix trying to create the best opportunities for their players (hardly a crime by the way), my feeling echoes Smithy's in that they've received significant concessions and this latest thing just feels off; a step too far.
And as for NZF saying to CF it's your call, well that's just fudgeing typical isn't it? Why not just say you can't, according to our (NZF) rules.
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More palatable if they said players who have made less than say 5 A League appearances?
More palatable if they said players who have made less than say 5 A League appearances?
are the Phoenix asking the same thing in the Northern League via Onehunga Sports?
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Wests 2-0 over Rapa. Is that final score?
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Decent match between Stop Out and Phoenix. Pretty competitive and physical.
Luis Corrales got a cracker.
he was brilliant for WeeNix in ASBP. Saved them from some crooked scorelines.
NCR vs Palmy Marist Highlights
finishing from rovers was atrocious
No argument from me or most of the guys in the Clubrooms after the game. They had enough chances to win three games. So far this year, that comment has been common, at least from our home games.
The scarey part is that they are going to come right one day and someone is going to get a right towelling.
have to agree with that! On the basis of those highlights the second half looked like total dominance, could have had double figures on a different day. Result flattered PN
PN Marist defence doesn't look great this year. Seem to be conceeding a fair few goals
playing for Rapa. Think he hasn't been re-signed by the Phoenix
Think he's off to college in the US later on the year. That's usually around August iirc
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