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almost 10 years ago

RoriM6 wrote:

See I don't get this. Other teams pay ayers as well where do you draw the line and keep it amateur.  I know of a team last year below cl where players were getting up to 1000 per game for performance based stuff.

good yarn bro.
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almost 10 years ago

RoriM6 wrote:

See I don't get this. Other teams pay ayers as well where do you draw the line and keep it amateur.  I know of a team last year below cl where players were getting up to 1000 per game for performance based stuff.

football has always been semi pro in that players could and do get paid if they can get a deal sorted with there club.

professional footballer in todays terms is a player who is paid solely for football and can live from those proceeds alone.

performance and or boot money that you mention i think is not as high as you have indicated as far as i am aware but maybe some do get a good deal now days.

most of these small payments are kept low so that TAX is not a issue and is all above board and transparent in contracts and the books but i have herd that some clubs try and hide this sort of stuff in the accounts and off record so that club members and other players don't ask questions and these types of arrangements if brought to light could bite them when the TAX man finds out.

so don't always believe the talk from players as most players are always looking for the best deal and so may inflate things to look good.

$1000 x 18 games = $18000 and the tax on this is about $4000 and IRD would want that and the ACC ect.

good sportsmanship and fair playing field is all we ask for

but all we get is talk and goal posts moving

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almost 10 years ago

Anyone actually got a source about Wellington United asking to play professionals? Not much point slagging them off if it's not even true.


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almost 10 years ago

RoriM6 wrote:

See I don't get this. Other teams pay ayers as well where do you draw the line and keep it amateur.  I know of a team last year below cl where players were getting up to 1000 per game for performance based stuff.

football has always been semi pro in that players could and do get paid if they can get a deal sorted with there club.

professional footballer in todays terms is a player who is paid solely for football and can live from those proceeds alone.

performance and or boot money that you mention i think is not as high as you have indicated as far as i am aware but maybe some do get a good deal now days.

most of these small payments are kept low so that TAX is not a issue and is all above board and transparent in contracts and the books but i have herd that some clubs try and hide this sort of stuff in the accounts and off record so that club members and other players don't ask questions and these types of arrangements if brought to light could bite them when the TAX man finds out.

so don't always believe the talk from players as most players are always looking for the best deal and so may inflate things to look good.

$1000 x 18 games = $18000 and the tax on this is about $4000 and IRD would want that and the ACC ect.

Payments of this level would cripple any Club in NZ 
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almost 10 years ago · edited almost 10 years ago · History

patrick478 wrote:

Anyone actually got a source about Wellington United asking to play professionals? Not much point slagging them off if it's not even true.

Doubt it is Wgtn United asking. I know to get the weeNix into summer league talk was direct between Nix and NZF. So I assume if this request is going in, it is not United fronting it, so innocent party.  

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almost 10 years ago

RoriM6 wrote:

See I don't get this. Other teams pay ayers as well where do you draw the line and keep it amateur.  I know of a team last year below cl where players were getting up to 1000 per game for performance based stuff.

football has always been semi pro in that players could and do get paid if they can get a deal sorted with there club.

professional footballer in todays terms is a player who is paid solely for football and can live from those proceeds alone.

performance and or boot money that you mention i think is not as high as you have indicated as far as i am aware but maybe some do get a good deal now days.

most of these small payments are kept low so that TAX is not a issue and is all above board and transparent in contracts and the books but i have herd that some clubs try and hide this sort of stuff in the accounts and off record so that club members and other players don't ask questions and these types of arrangements if brought to light could bite them when the TAX man finds out.

so don't always believe the talk from players as most players are always looking for the best deal and so may inflate things to look good.

$1000 x 18 games = $18000 and the tax on this is about $4000 and IRD would want that and the ACC ect.


Like I said up to. I don't mea  every player was getting this every game,  in fact I would be surprised if the full amount got allocated to each player eligible more than once or twice a season.
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almost 10 years ago

Blew.2 wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Anyone actually got a source about Wellington United asking to play professionals? Not much point slagging them off if it's not even true.

Doubt it is Wgtn United asking. I know to get the weeNix into summer league talk was direct between Nix and NZF. So I assume if this request is going in, it is not United fronting it, so innocent party.  

Nix/weenix/wellington united first team - all the same organisation, right? Anyway, is it true - they want to play professional players in an amateur league?

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almost 10 years ago

Blew.2 wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Anyone actually got a source about Wellington United asking to play professionals? Not much point slagging them off if it's not even true.

Doubt it is Wgtn United asking. I know to get the weeNix into summer league talk was direct between Nix and NZF. So I assume if this request is going in, it is not United fronting it, so innocent party.  

What you on about?

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almost 10 years ago

Feverish wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Anyone actually got a source about Wellington United asking to play professionals? Not much point slagging them off if it's not even true.

[/quote] Doubt it is Wgtn United asking. I know to get the weeNix into summer league talk was direct between Nix and NZF. So I assume if this request is going in, it is not United fronting it, so innocent party.  

What you on about?

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I am quite surprised that there has not been any comment about the Phoenix move to try and get approval to play 3 x U20 professionals in the Central League in 2016. The players would front up for Wellington United.

This could have huge ramifications for the league.

I personally am against the move - as many people here know I am a stickler for the rules - and I can't see any way that the FIFA statute regarding the status of players would allow this.

You do the same as me don't read back enough

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almost 10 years ago

Freaky Frank wrote:
Only wgtn utd would be allowed to play 3 pros and they want 6 pros next year

not sure on this one.      But ol'Sole is credible source

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almost 10 years ago

Blew.2 wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Anyone actually got a source about Wellington United asking to play professionals? Not much point slagging them off if it's not even true.

[/quote] Doubt it is Wgtn United asking. I know to get the weeNix into summer league talk was direct between Nix and NZF. So I assume if this request is going in, it is not United fronting it, so innocent party.  

What you on about?

[quote=ol'sole]

I am quite surprised that there has not been any comment about the Phoenix move to try and get approval to play 3 x U20 professionals in the Central League in 2016. The players would front up for Wellington United.

This could have huge ramifications for the league.

I personally am against the move - as many people here know I am a stickler for the rules - and I can't see any way that the FIFA statute regarding the status of players would allow this.

You do the same as me don't read back enough

No I'm asking what you on about. Utd and Nix are the same thing for this team

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almost 10 years ago
Meeting took place with most central league clubs before the last nix game .
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almost 10 years ago · edited almost 10 years ago · History

Feverish wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Anyone actually got a source about Wellington United asking to play professionals? Not much point slagging them off if it's not even true.

[/quote] Doubt it is Wgtn United asking. I know to get the weeNix into summer league talk was direct between Nix and NZF. So I assume if this request is going in, it is not United fronting it, so innocent party.  

What you on about?

[quote=ol'sole]

I am quite surprised that there has not been any comment about the Phoenix move to try and get approval to play 3 x U20 professionals in the Central League in 2016. The players would front up for Wellington United.

This could have huge ramifications for the league.

I personally am against the move - as many people here know I am a stickler for the rules - and I can't see any way that the FIFA statute regarding the status of players would allow this.

You do the same as me don't read back enough

No I'm asking what you on about. Utd and Nix are the same thing for this team

Yer right so how does the United committee control the coach and influence his selection of the "Clubs" developing players. ?? And how many committee members voted on "This proposal if in fact it is a fact" 

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almost 10 years ago

interesting... there has been talk about players being paid in (every CL) team for years...

Maybe about time that it was above board for all teams anyway. Then everyone's cards would be on the table - prob be better for all clubs - esp if there was a team cap... Or limited number of paid players... At the moment players play clubs off against  each other to get maximum income.

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almost 10 years ago

Every club relies on grants from gaming fund trusts. Those grants only go to amateur organisations. Hence, the issue.

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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almost 10 years ago

Blew.2 wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Anyone actually got a source about Wellington United asking to play professionals? Not much point slagging them off if it's not even true.

[/quote] Doubt it is Wgtn United asking. I know to get the weeNix into summer league talk was direct between Nix and NZF. So I assume if this request is going in, it is not United fronting it, so innocent party.  

What you on about?

[quote=ol'sole]

I am quite surprised that there has not been any comment about the Phoenix move to try and get approval to play 3 x U20 professionals in the Central League in 2016. The players would front up for Wellington United.

This could have huge ramifications for the league.

I personally am against the move - as many people here know I am a stickler for the rules - and I can't see any way that the FIFA statute regarding the status of players would allow this.

You do the same as me don't read back enough

No I'm asking what you on about. Utd and Nix are the same thing for this team

Yer right so how does the United committee control the coach and influence his selection of the "Clubs" developing players. ?? And how many committee members voted on "This proposal if in fact it is a fact" 

I hope like hell the proposal was "a fact" as our Chairman, on receipt of an invitation from the Phoenix, attended a meeting in Wellington on Sunday.  

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almost 10 years ago

no doubt the decision will be taken out of your hands by higher powers.

What was the proposal? Do you get to pick three Nix players of your choice to play for you?

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almost 10 years ago

Global Game wrote:

Every club relies on grants from gaming fund trusts. Those grants only go to amateur organisations. Hence, the issue.

wrong i think  as then NZ Rugby would be excluded and lots of other organisations who are not amateur

it's non profit or charity status that a organisation requires not amateur.

too many rugby ideas in this country of the good old amateur days that we now know was one of the biggest jokes of our times unless you where in England where one just dose it for the love of the game…… YEAH RIGHT!

reality time even golf amateurs can get paid just not lots.

good sportsmanship and fair playing field is all we ask for

but all we get is talk and goal posts moving

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almost 10 years ago

So Spartacus, staying on topic, what's your view on Nix pro players playing in central legaue?

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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almost 10 years ago

Global Game wrote:

So Spartacus, staying on topic, what's your view on Nix pro players playing in central legaue?

i think it's great but not if it is weighted towards one club while others are excluded

seeing Nix players are on a salary and contracted any payments for services would go back to the Nix management to disperse as they see fit.

and if a club cannot afford to loan these Nix players i am sure it won't be the deal breaker of playing central league.

as for the benefits of having a few class players to show the up and coming players what standard they need to attain  maybe the way to raise the standards here in NZ and help or local players get deals off shore or with the national team.

t's also not good having youth not getting as much match time as possible as this i feel is the best learning  any young player could have  while the old players need rest and recovery from a strong A Legaue season.

good sportsmanship and fair playing field is all we ask for

but all we get is talk and goal posts moving

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almost 10 years ago
Olympic 2 Wests 1 Gianni Bouzoukis 2 goals 2nd half Worst Miramar team ever . Can't wait for team Wgtn players to come back ??
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almost 10 years ago

Freaky Frank wrote:
Olympic 2 Wests 1 Gianni Bouzoukis 2 goals 2nd half

Worst Miramar team ever . Can't wait for team Wgtn players to come back ??

i don't want them back until they finish winning but it is making the start of the season a bit distorted down the leagues as players get moved to cover the gaps in the affected clubs.

still good win for olympic vs west

good sportsmanship and fair playing field is all we ask for

but all we get is talk and goal posts moving

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peverly seemed to be in the CL game pics. He not playing OFC? Don't think they have many others in there - maybe Jackson?

So Kaisen> ole? Or do neither care about winning anyway?

Ps that wee nix team look young as. They must have played well

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almost 10 years ago

Lower Hutt 4 Petone 0.   Petone early favourites for relegation ?

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almost 10 years ago

Feverish wrote:

peverly seemed to be in the CL game pics. He not playing OFC? Don't think they have many others in there - maybe Jackson?

So Kaisen> ole? Or do neither care about winning anyway?

Ps that wee nix team look young as. They must have played well

I saw the Kaisen v Ole game and would vote for Kaisen as they actually attacked the goal, Ole played nice football but seemed to have forgotten the aim of the game is to score goals (their goal was from a pen), there were several times ole players broke into the box and then passed the ball across or behind rather than shoot

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napier city   3    wairarapa  2

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almost 10 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

Lower Hutt 4 Petone 0.   Petone early favourites for relegation ?

Hottest of favourites to go down

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almost 10 years ago

Relax on the Kaizen mate, we are Wellington Olympic. Stuart Jacobs was once a player of Wellibgton Olympic and is now the Head Coach of the same club. Olympic care about winning, always have and always will. Don't kid yourself buddy. Get your own backyard in order. 

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almost 10 years ago

aww gummon mate 

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almost 10 years ago

Relax on the Kaizen mate, we are Wellington Olympic. Stuart Jacobs was once a player of Wellibgton Olympic and is now the Head Coach of the same club. Olympic care about winning, always have and always will. Don't kid yourself buddy. Get your own backyard in order. 

How about the Reserves then? The Ole boys put 5 unanswered past them. The young Kaizen fellas struggling, they've shipped 14 in 3 games!

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almost 10 years ago

Feverish wrote:

peverly seemed to be in the CL game pics. He not playing OFC? Don't think they have many others in there - maybe Jackson?

Think I read that Pev's partner just had a baby so probably not keen to be up in Auckland. Think Jackson is the only one going back.

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almost 10 years ago

Oh and I think Andy Bevin

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almost 10 years ago
Yeah Andy Bevan we should be good with those two back. What about the poor write ups in the Dom post , hockey has more content than the central league. Really poor ??
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almost 10 years ago

I have been told that the DomPost Sports Editor said that it comes directly from Cspital Football and DomPost are less than impressed with the quality of the articles. Apparently a new person doing the writing. Sub standard in my view. In one game they mention one scorer but not the other two scorers. We as football supporters deserve more than what is being served up by Capital Football. 

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almost 10 years ago

I have been told that the DomPost Sports Editor said that it comes directly from Cspital Football and DomPost are less than impressed with the quality of the articles. Apparently a new person doing the writing. Sub standard in my view. In one game they mention one scorer but not the other two scorers. We as football supporters deserve more than what is being served up by Capital Football. 

I think with Robert Johnson not at Cap Football anymore has affected this.

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almost 10 years ago

maybe the team in question didn't inform CF of their goal scorers. I think they only specifically watch and get detail from a couple of games.

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almost 10 years ago

Look at you defending Cap Football. Guess there's a first for everything.

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almost 10 years ago
Come on - we need to grow the game and be more informative. Clubs pay cap football wages , so they need to be providing a better product. It's not acceptable, 1 line and it's not informative or accurate.
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almost 10 years ago

Freaky Frank wrote:
Come on - we need to grow the game and be more informative. Clubs pay cap football wages , so they need to be providing a better product. It's not acceptable, 1 line and it's not informative or accurate.
 

Robert Johnson was really good (anyone know where he went??). Guess if he's gone a replacement will take time.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 10 years ago

Think they are best to do one game properly, and cover the rest in brief. Instead of trying to cover all 5 games evenly.

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