CF Governance

perhaps the minutes from the previous meeting showed them that there actions and comments can be held against them if minuted?

a here say record of events is easier to defend than a written record….

but i thought this meeting was all about informing the clubs so it seems to miss the mark if answers given on the night are not shared?

what's the latest on Wgtn Coll teams then? I see they have one in 13th grade which would have had a humiliating day on Saturday

these things happen as they say….

the collage teams are doing alright at the U17 level 

St pats town racked up a bakers dozen in U17B playing a club team so some times its better to have club run teams and some times it is better to have collage run teams.

youth football runs in cycles and because it is age dependant grades you cannot hold on to good players to help develop younger players as easy as you can at senior levels.

this youth program is needing some major overhaul and focus i feel…..

Do the Hutt Valley/Kapiti schools still run that week day model? When i was at school only St Pats Silverstream, Hutt High, and Pram played on saturdays, everyone else played during the week for school, and then played for clubs on the weekend. Our Wests team in 15th/16th grade was stacked with HIBS players, had a few from Kapiti, Aotea, Wellington Coll and Tawa Coll. (the latter two playing officially for reserves but would drop down when available).

Which is the better model, this or what the current Wellington secondary schools are doing?

Just let them choose which they want to play for. The best will go to where the best coaching and competition is. 

At st pats stream 10 years ago they had just introduced such a system. You could play for the school or a select couple of clubs. Just let them play for the school or any club they want. 

cap 4 miramar default to wainuiomata,eight players turned up that's enough to start a game but they weren't interested game off.ref said they will be fined $500.bit steep,who gets the money. should some go to  the defaulted club for subs

Junior football is play with 9, default with 8 I think. Why is it different to senior?

Even up the sides, play a friendly and agree to record it at a 3-0 win/loss. No fine. 

11 team Cap 4. It's the only fair solution.

I don't understand how a club like Miramar would let them (their 4th team?) default. Surely there are enough players knocking around. Havent they got their claws in every school programme in the eastern suburbs?

It would probably surprise many, just how difficult it is for clubs to field teams at the lower end of the competetitive leagues. Injuries and the like mean players often get taken by higher teams leaving spots that are difficult to fill. 

Just noticed the school vs club discussion a few pages back.

Jnr Jnr and Jnrette have had the fortune to go through Junior Wharf and I am very impressed with the set up and assistance to the teams. There are some great coaches and administrators who work tirelessly to inspire the kids and help them develop and enjoy the game.

Last season we switched to WC. Why?

1) Jnr jnr wanted to play for the school. pretty much all the kids do at grade 13 - there is no coercion.

2) $60 fee, $60+ for shirt (stripey)

Also the club provides senior students as coaches, they all have level 1 and some level 2.

There may be some gripes at the JPL level, but for the rest of us, either club or school should provide a supportive, enjoyable environment for the players to develop and stay in the game. I think both do it well.

Also stripey is like season 3/4 nix, so you are on hiding to nothing there (unless you get rid of the red in the wharf strip).

Also great training facilities and jnr jnr is playing CAM.

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i see Wellington Collage is now a Club so can play teams in the junior leagues like other Clubs so this will explain the experience that Jnr Jnr is having this year compared to other years at WC and confirms that club is the way to go i think.

While other Schools only have the Collage sport program which is what all the fuss is about.

To me it seems these people are just trying to keep themselves in a job and not try and help football but i may be wrong as i was with saying WC and few other collages had a good program over the years as parents can be quite one eyed when it comes to there child and the school and programs they participate in.

an example of this is the womans only grades as i have parents/friends who think it is great and others who now say it is crap and is all about getting money and there child should of stayed playing real football.

i think the idea is great but the execution has been poor especially when they changed the format as this is when the complaints started to roll into my in box but i still have people promoting it say good things so who is wrong?…...

The experience at both Junior Wharf and College has been good for Jnr Jnr (i.e. he's still keen on playing).  But he is not in JPL or Promo.

My last post was just me talking bollocks at the expense of young Master Rojas.

(soz Marco - I've gotten over it now, really I have)

Re girls playing in mixed junior football - they are often the more skillful and intelligent players on the pitch (I realise they can play a grade or two down).  Good stuff I say if they want to school the boys.  If they want to play GOSL that's good too isn't it?  Something for everyone.

Jamie Cross has resigned to take up a job with NFF. We are screwed 

Thoughts on why?

Because they are a shambles?

you have no idea how lucky you are with CF....and yes Im aware of "monkey noises aren't racist", cap one fun and games etc....

Yip I fully agree to that...Its been like that for several years.....may be we need to get G Sole and Steve Stevens back.....!!!

Any takers on that..???

More a general comment than one specific to this post ... but how can Wellington College be a club when it doesn't allow people outside the school to join?

Why would they have to?

Interesting comments re Wgtn College being a club, do not clubs have to abide by the regs?

Many moons ago WC requested to become a club, negotiations were going ok till they requested that they be not forced to adhere to the CF regulations.

The main reg that was the stumbling block was the transfer reg, WC would not accept that they would have to release players if a transfer request was applied for and it involved a player from WC.
The Manager at the time was Graeme Sole who basically told them, if they would not adhere to the regs in full, no dice to being classed as a club.

Be interesting to see what would happen if one was to ask for a transfer for a WC player nowdays

So I suppose my point is that a club is something that anybody should be able to join.  That's the whole point.  There are grades for college and grades for clubs.  If I, or my kid, can't join a 'club' then is that really a club?  WCFC seem to be playing around the rules unless they can articulately demonstrate that a kid in another college can join.