Jesus, a team full of van Hatts.
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Also, costa and george babaourouses used to come to Olympic trainings all their time in their teens as did leo. didn't do them any harm getting kicked by us old slow fellas.
Well said sirles, especially the "getting kicked" part - didn't hurt me getting chunks kicked out of my Boylan, Stewart, McKay, Disley etc...and it hasn't hurt the 3 fine players u mentioned.
True, it hasnt hurt them. But others like Nick van Hattum and Anthony Neonakis were mucking around in lower school XIs when I was at school, and theyve still managed to get to a high standard of football with Olympic.
Anthony and I were in the same Mana rep squad when we were 16, and he was just playing Regional league for Newlands College on saturdays. And I remember playing against Nick van Hattum, he was playing for Wel Cols 3rd or 4th XI in his spare time, to the best of my knowledge he wasnt playing senior footy on saturdays either. Correct me if im wrong about Nick though...
With all due respect to NVH and Ants who are both good lads and good players I'm not sure they are the best examples on which to base your youth development strategy.
all of tawas players have come through college etc etc apart from mr fenton...
like i said before wests are only developing these players and playing them because they have nothing else to chose from... at least 2/3rds of that team is not good enough for the grade.
Your kidding yourself if you think they are even if you argue capital premier is the place to develop players
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Also, costa and george babaourouses used to come to Olympic trainings all their time in their teens as did leo. didn't do them any harm getting kicked by us old slow fellas.
Well said sirles, especially the "getting kicked" part - didn't hurt me getting chunks kicked out of my Boylan, Stewart, McKay, Disley etc...and it hasn't hurt the 3 fine players u mentioned.
True, it hasnt hurt them. But others like Nick van Hattum and Anthony Neonakis were mucking around in lower school XIs when I was at school, and theyve still managed to get to a high standard of football with Olympic.
Anthony and I were in the same Mana rep squad when we were 16, and he was just playing Regional league for Newlands College on saturdays. And I remember playing against Nick van Hattum, he was playing for Wel Cols 3rd or 4th XI in his spare time, to the best of my knowledge he wasnt playing senior footy on saturdays either. Correct me if im wrong about Nick though...
With all due respect to NVH and Ants who are both good lads and good players I'm not sure they are the best examples on which to base your youth development strategy.
Well to compare Costa and Leo with these young lads at Wests is a bit far fetched itself...
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Also, costa and george babaourouses used to come to Olympic trainings all their time in their teens as did leo. didn't do them any harm getting kicked by us old slow fellas.
Well said sirles, especially the "getting kicked" part - didn't hurt me getting chunks kicked out of my Boylan, Stewart, McKay, Disley etc...and it hasn't hurt the 3 fine players u mentioned.
True, it hasnt hurt them. But others like Nick van Hattum and Anthony Neonakis were mucking around in lower school XIs when I was at school, and theyve still managed to get to a high standard of football with Olympic.
Anthony and I were in the same Mana rep squad when we were 16, and he was just playing Regional league for Newlands College on saturdays. And I remember playing against Nick van Hattum, he was playing for Wel Cols 3rd or 4th XI in his spare time, to the best of my knowledge he wasnt playing senior footy on saturdays either. Correct me if im wrong about Nick though...
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lets be honest western suburbs are only playing these players cause everyone else has left...
thats a fair call, theres been a bit of an exodus from the club - but i guess u have to make do with what ya have right?
after a good-ish start to the season, I guess we're just looking to target certain games where we feel we can pick up points, try for some damage control in the others, and ultimately stay in the league for next year.
@ Smithy -i love when u agree with me.
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Barber, if they want to stay in the league for next year they will do so. It may even mean another 1st team appearance for you as they drop players down from the 1sts towards the seaons end. 
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just to clarify, I was not saying that every college kid should train with a senior club or they wont make it.
But I defo think they will be better off getting used to the physicality side of the mens leagues if they train with senior teams from about 15/16 on.
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just to clarify, I was not saying that every college kid should train with a senior club or they wont make it.
But I defo think they will be better off getting used to the physicality side of the mens leagues if they train with senior teams from about 15/16 on.
intresting...
So the point of putting them in this grade is to harden them up??? sh*t that�s great development.
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When I was 15/16 I was jumping at the chance of Training with a mens Club.
Physical strength is essential as is any other part of the game. Training with a mens team is a good way of getting use to this. It is also a good way of learning from experienced players If these young kids are willing to listen and learn ......
Physical strength is essential as is any other part of the game. Training with a mens team is a good way of getting use to this. It is also a good way of learning from experienced players If these young kids are willing to listen and learn ......
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When I was 15/16 I was jumping at the chance of Training with a mens Club.
Physical strength is essential as is any other part of the game. Training with a mens team is a good way of getting use to this. It is also a good way of learning from experienced players If these young kids are willing to listen and learn ......
Physical strength is essential as is any other part of the game. Training with a mens team is a good way of getting use to this. It is also a good way of learning from experienced players If these young kids are willing to listen and learn ......
or the flip side of that is a young lad who trained with the firsts back when he was 14 full of potential to go the whole way... got a skull fracture at training after a knee from mike wilson and was never the same player.
young players should be playing this level - if they are good enough. If they arnt good enough its simply not good enough to say your playing them in the grade so they get experience.
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When I was 15/16 I was jumping at the chance of Training with a mens Club.
Physical strength is essential as is any other part of the game. Training with a mens team is a good way of getting use to this. It is also a good way of learning from experienced players If these young kids are willing to listen and learn ......
Physical strength is essential as is any other part of the game. Training with a mens team is a good way of getting use to this. It is also a good way of learning from experienced players If these young kids are willing to listen and learn ......
or the flip side of that is a young lad who trained with the firsts back when he was 14 full of potential to go the whole way... got a skull fracture at training after a knee from mike wilson and was never the same player.
young players should be playing this level - if they are good enough. If they arnt good enough its simply not good enough to say your playing them in the grade so they get experience.
Well your right. But Im not saying everyone should be able to train. You wouldn't let any one walk up and train with you if they weren't up to it.
Freak accidents happen in sport weather you old or young. But i guess your example could have been prevented.
From my point of view I come from a smallish city where youngsters Don't have the opportunity to play a high college level week in week out so the only option is playing in Grades like Central federation level. Which is the norm. To get to that level required to play in these teams you would do 1-2 years graft on the training field before you got the call up.
What i made of the game[Wests] was the players individually where quite good but there wasn't a decent mix of experienced players to take control. I guess Wests don't have any other option with all their players leaving.
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Its quite easy actually... if youre capable then go for it. If youre not, prepare to get hammered.
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What i made of the game[Wests] was the players individually where quite good but there wasn't a decent mix of experienced players to take control. I guess Wests don't have any other option with all their players leaving.[/QUOTE]This.
[QUOTE=AJ13]Its quite easy actually... if youre capable then go for it. If youre not, prepare to get hammered.
And this.[QUOTE=AJ13]Its quite easy actually... if youre capable then go for it. If youre not, prepare to get hammered.
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Shambles, you're right because the team you and I were in 5/6 years ago had a better balance of senior:junior players. IIRC we were two of no more than 5/6 junior players amongst 10 or so seniors (of which half had played national league - I don't know if the same could be said about Wests older lads). And as you said, we weren't selected until we were capable at that level - also wonder if that is the case with the Wests juniors. It must be noted though, that the level football where we come from has dropped massively, with no club playing football outside of the region. So although things were working well there, they are not now. Much the same as Wests.
Fuck this stupid game
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just to clarify, I was not saying that every college kid should train with a senior club or they wont make it.
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But I defo think they will be better off getting used to the physicality side of the mens leagues if they train with senior teams from about 15/16 on.
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intresting...�
So the point of putting them in this grade is to harden them up??? sh*t that�s great development.
Fuck this stupid game
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That accident that happened to Arama Tairea was horrible BB, you know it was unintentional....really unfortunate what happened to him. I don't think he ever had it in him to go the whole way, it wasn't part of what he had in mind for his future. I can say that, knowing the family fairly well.
Furthermore, You'd be hard pressed to find many examples of things like that happening.
Furthermore, You'd be hard pressed to find many examples of things like that happening.
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Will any games be played in the premier league this weekend?
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Rumour that Wharf have signed new player from Auckland...... can anyone confirm? name?
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Rumour that Wharf have signed new player from Auckland...... can anyone confirm? name?
WCC ground closures for weekend
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nightz2010-06-04 20:08:10A dog with a bone :)
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5-4 win for wellington united over stop out in an epic encounter
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wharf v Mar 1 all. Pretty even battle - though Wharf seemed to have the better of the second half. Mar the first.
Founder
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5-4 win for wellington united over stop out in an epic encounter
Was a great game except maybe for the bit where WU got two goals in the last minute or so. Tony, SO's keeper. with SO 4-3 ahead, slapped a guy. Got booked and they scored from the pen. Then they got another.... At the time I thought Tony deserved a hanging.... maybe still thinking that.
I thought that for large parts of the match some pretty decent football from both teams.
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19/4/26.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's living in Agadez, Niger. Spending more time in town, Agadez, as bad people in the desert are spoiling the good life.
19/4/26.
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I heard it was a punch, and knowing TJ, it probably was! Epic game though, Welly U boys stoked. Huge 3 points.
Fuck this stupid game
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Stop Out were Robbed...
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... by their own keeper!!!
well done TJ
you prat!
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... by their own keeper!!!
well done TJyou prat!
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I spoke to TJ after the game on Wednesday night at Porirua and said 'what, no bobsleds ?' he obvioiusly saved them for the weekend.
Naenae hammered. Nothing on attack.
Hard News2010-06-05 19:15:27
Naenae hammered. Nothing on attack.
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yeah their keeper was an idiot for doing that, but i hope his team moves past it.. we all have rushes of blood. altho he must endure getting sh*t for at least a week! 
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Can't blame TJ for everything. Defense on both sides was loose hence
the score. I saw the whole TJ incident - he had the ball in his hands,
G wound him up like every horrible scottish centre forward has done
over the years to goalies, by tapping his ankles, running in front, a
bit of verbal here and there, TJ kicks the bal forward, more verbals
from G, TJ has a swing and only sort of connects but the lino spots it.
calls the ref over and TJ is penalised but get this, only gets a
yellow. The call can only be for violent conduct hence should have been
a straight red. We are all going WTF??? Anyway pen converted so 4 all,
from the ko we hit the post and G follows up to score and a massive
celebration. But coming back to TJ, blaming him is a cop out, Stop Out
have 2 good players, him and Gulley, and a good coach, the rest are
pretenders. I heard harsh words were said to TJ in the dressing room,
pathetic really. Last word is on Fifi who blames the rubbish bin for
him having a woeful game and kicks it over as he slopes into the
dressing room. Class act not. TW quality? Never
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let's say rightstr is correct then sending the keeper off, considering the other's actions, would be a little unjust. Sounds like the ref's decision may have been a good one...
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By that logic, Zidane should not have been sent off for butting Matterazzi in the World cup final. Same principle. No matter, today it wasn't important I only mentioned it coz it was part of the story
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By that logic, Zidane should not have been sent off for butting Matterazzi in the World cup final. Same principle. No matter, today it wasn't important I only mentioned it coz it was part of the story
I didn't ask about Zizou I asked about today's game. Ref got it right today?
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Well, no obviously. Violent conduct = red card. Provocation is no defense. But save the argument for some other train spotting thread, its not important in this one. TJ was not to blame for the Stop Out loss today there were 9 others equally at fault
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Well, no obviously. Violent conduct = red card. Provocation is no defense.
Crikey. No shades of grey here...everything is B&W!!
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Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's living in Agadez, Niger. Spending more time in town, Agadez, as bad people in the desert are spoiling the good life.
19/4/26.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's living in Agadez, Niger. Spending more time in town, Agadez, as bad people in the desert are spoiling the good life.
19/4/26.
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Sorry mate but all I can say is if you give a penalty away with 5 minutes to go, or in fact at any time of the game for something stupid like that well then it is your fault.If my college keeper did that he would be ropeable.Obviously G sounds like he knew what he was doing and got it right and wound him up.So it's only the keeper to blame.
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My hair is more grey after today. We weren't great I have to admit. Life at Newtown is not for the fainthearted
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So TJ blows up cops a penalty for a brain explosion & its 4-4 with a minute to go. Stop Out has to then kick off... so they have possession. How does WU get the ball, close enough to goal to have a lash, hit the post & G slot the rebound. I assume SO had at least a back 4 & midfield that WU must've waltzed thru to get the shot on... & then who was tracking G on the follow up.
Not excusing TJ... he's a big boy & will put his hand up, but sounds like a cop out to completely blame the keeper. Winning the league is about taking all the points you can get. Whereever they come from & however ugly they're earned.
After the pene, it sounds like SO were in a place where they should have been able to close out a draw (someone correct me if I'm wrong).
That's the difference between Champions & 1st losers. We need to be more switched on than what it sounds like we were, if we're champion contenders.
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2-1 loss for Wests today, 1-0 up as well at one stage. Unfortunate OG by Muzz with 25 to go.
One sour point (apart from losing) was young Frankie getting called a "n*gger" to his face by an Upper Hutt player after Frankie got chopped down by him. Uncalled for, nothing done about it by the referee. Its a real shame because I personally didn't think that kind of this was in our game here in Wgtn.
I hope you are happy with yourself pal. U know who u r.
One sour point (apart from losing) was young Frankie getting called a "n*gger" to his face by an Upper Hutt player after Frankie got chopped down by him. Uncalled for, nothing done about it by the referee. Its a real shame because I personally didn't think that kind of this was in our game here in Wgtn.
I hope you are happy with yourself pal. U know who u r.
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Can't blame TJ for everything. Defense on both sides was loose hence
the score. I saw the whole TJ incident - he had the ball in his hands,
G wound him up like every horrible scottish centre forward has done
over the years to goalies, by tapping his ankles, running in front, a
bit of verbal here and there, TJ kicks the bal forward, more verbals
from G, TJ has a swing and only sort of connects but the lino spots it.
calls the ref over and TJ is penalised but get this, only gets a
yellow. The call can only be for violent conduct hence should have been
a straight red. We are all going WTF??? Anyway pen converted so 4 all,
from the ko we hit the post and G follows up to score and a massive
celebration. But coming back to TJ, blaming him is a cop out, Stop Out
have 2 good players, him and Gulley, and a good coach, the rest are
pretenders. I heard harsh words were said to TJ in the dressing room,
pathetic really. Last word is on Fifi who blames the rubbish bin for
him having a woeful game and kicks it over as he slopes into the
dressing room. Class act not. TW quality? Never
Another possible intepretation:
Violent conduct in the Laws of the Game is described as such:
A player is guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality
against an opponent when not challenging for the ball.
Whereas, a Direct Free Kick can be given for the following
� strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
and elsewhere
Cautions for unsporting behaviour
There are different circumstances when a player must be cautioned for
unsporting behaviour, e.g. if a player:
� commits in a reckless manner one of the seven offences that incur a direct
free kick
So, a valid interpretation of the LotG is that if a player strikes (or attempts to strike) another player in a way that is neither brutal or using excessive force, but is considered to be reckless, then the appropriate sanction is a DFK (or Penalty as the case may be), and the offending player cautioned for unsporting behaviour.
So this is an example of a commonly confused scenario - raising your hands to another player is not an automatic red card, but only if it is regarded as brutal or using excesive force.
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Can't blame TJ for everything. Defense on both sides was loose hence the score. I saw the whole TJ incident - he had the ball in his hands, G wound him up like every horrible scottish centre forward has done over the years to goalies, by tapping his ankles, running in front, a bit of verbal here and there, TJ kicks the bal forward, more verbals from G, TJ has a swing and only sort of connects but the lino spots it. calls the ref over and TJ is penalised but get this, only gets a yellow. The call can only be for violent conduct hence should have been a straight red. We are all going WTF??? Anyway pen converted so 4 all, from the ko we hit the post and G follows up to score and a massive celebration. But coming back to TJ, blaming him is a cop out, Stop Out have 2 good players, him and Gulley, and a good coach, the rest are pretenders. I heard harsh words were said to TJ in the dressing room, pathetic really. Last word is on Fifi who blames the rubbish bin for him having a woeful game and kicks it over as he slopes into the dressing room. Class act not. TW quality? Never
Another possible intepretation:
Violent conduct in the Laws of the Game is described as such:
A player is guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality
against an opponent when not challenging for the ball.
Whereas, a Direct Free Kick can be given for the following
� strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
and elsewhere
Cautions for unsporting behaviour
There are different circumstances when a player must be cautioned for
unsporting behaviour, e.g. if a player:
� commits in a reckless manner one of the seven offences that incur a direct
free kick
So, a valid interpretation of the LotG is that if a player strikes (or attempts to strike) another player in a way that is neither brutal or using excessive force, but is considered to be reckless, then the appropriate sanction is a DFK (or Penalty as the case may be), and the offending player cautioned for unsporting behaviour.
So this is an example of a commonly confused scenario - raising your hands to another player is not an automatic red card, but only if it is regarded as brutal or using excesive force.
There are different circumstances when a player must be cautioned for
unsporting behaviour, e.g. if a player:
� commits in a reckless manner one of the seven offences that incur a direct
free kick
So, a valid interpretation of the LotG is that if a player strikes (or attempts to strike) another player in a way that is neither brutal or using excessive force, but is considered to be reckless, then the appropriate sanction is a DFK (or Penalty as the case may be), and the offending player cautioned for unsporting behaviour.
So this is an example of a commonly confused scenario - raising your hands to another player is not an automatic red card, but only if it is regarded as brutal or using excesive force.
about 33 seconds in - Aliadiere was sent off and then given an extra one match ban for appealing the sending off for this, while Mascherano got nothing. How can anyone claim that Alladiere was using excessive force or being brutal?
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Well, no obviously. Violent conduct = red card. Provocation is no defense.
Crikey. No shades of grey here...everything is B&W!!�
Fuck this stupid game
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