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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Its a shame some people have turned this thread into a pile of stupid. It was an interesting discussion.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I really think we're beating a dead horse now. Lets wait till the end of this week to find out what I believe will be the final decision.

What I'm concerned with now is, with all being said an done, WILL the rules change?

Should CF adopt a case by case basis?

Thoughts?

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

A case by case opens it up to far too much argument in my opinion. People will be screaming biased/conspiracy when things dont go their way,often rightly pointing out that CF have allowed other teams to get away with it in the past. Itd be too similar to the situation now,where no one wins.

Change the law,then stick with it.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

monkeyboy wrote:

its well known though that there is a good youth population in town not to mention the large numbers of greek youth lining up to play for their local club. just pointing out that Naenae doesn't exactly have the same social demographic as a lot of other clubs..

the large #'s you are referring to are on the back of their c/cup success. it's only foreseeable (is that a word hard news?) that youth will be attracted to success and want to be a part of it, which the club benefits from. it's a pity this new influx of depth will have to languish in cap 1 again!!!

this in comparison to the world cup play-off , will also have a positive spin for your club as significant NEW numbers will register following what is hopefully a succesful attempt buy our BOYZ- GO ALL WHITES!!!!! as has been shown in our past success of spain 82 , although that co-incided with alot of negativity towards rugby at the time due to the springbok tour , to our benefit, i'm sure you subbies in the hutt will benefit....but first you need to take it on the chin and go down naenae i'll respect u as well for doing so...lol

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Why do they have to take it on the chin? Couldnt the exact same "take it on the chin" principle apply to Olympic? Or would that hurt your argument too much? Tegal2009-11-04 11:24:43

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

someone already assked them to do so on page 8 ....duh...old news lol.

that was my tounge in my cheek ,

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Feverish wrote:

Yarn. Any truth you are the Bubsï¿½s legal counsel?

It is amazing what people will do for some ouzo and 6 months worth of Kiwi souvlaki (fish & Chips)...!!!!!

Honestly , everyone is allowed to have their own opinion ( as long as they don't disagrree with mine...!!!) but at the end of the day we will find out what the decision will be from CF sometime on Friday....

Whatever the decison will be I am sure it will have ramifications for both Clubs... Yes we had a stellar season this year and will be great for our reserve boysto play in the Premier div next year. This is the aim of the club, and we are prepared to safeguard our position. and yes at the end of the day some people may say that "its only a game" like i said they are all entitled to make their own assumptions...

as for Smithy We did promise him though that if he takes our case all they way to the Privy Council and we win we will shouted him a trip to the Greek isles...!!!!

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

Why do they have to take it on the chin? Couldnt the exact same "take it on the chin" principle apply to Olympic? Or would that hurt your argument too much?

I don't think either club should really suffer from a f**k up on CF's part, but odds are, one of us will.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

uncle steve wrote:

Tegal wrote:

Why do they have to take it on the chin? Couldnt the exact same "take it on the chin" principle apply to Olympic? Or would that hurt your argument too much?

I don't think either club should really suffer from a f**k up on CF's part, but odds are, one of us will.

Bet your life they will. There will definitely be someone crying on Friday night. My pick is the club who played the illegal player even if CF gave clearance. Been there done that 2 years ago in Mainland premier league promotion/relegation playoff, cost in excess of $20,000 to the club and an appeal against an NZF ruling to the CAS. Player from our club cleared by Mainland was found to be ineligible after the event. We won the play off but lost on appeal 3 times. Not good.

What's sight without sound? Love without peace? Copulation without conception?

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

That was a great shambles Ronny - was even there to see Rangers put it over Burnside at QE2

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Capital 1 or Champs Premier!!! whats it matter which one they play in as they are all social leagues after all.

A dog with a bone :)

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

So's the Central League but I know which one I'd rather play in. (Actually, I'd like to be good enough to play for the Nighthawks...)

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

nightz wrote:

Capital 1 or Champs Premier!!! whats it matter which one they play in as they are all social leagues after all.

Stupid thing to say.

Situation:

Your a CL club who currently has a second team and is wanting to attract some more players to bolsten up your first team squad.

You want to promise them that if they dont play in the CL they will have a decent league in where they can get game time.

Would you rather them drop to the second team and play Cap 1 or Prems? The drop from CL to Cap1 is WAY too large.

Enough said?

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Bolsten isn't a word.

Ignore Nightz. He's trying to wind you up (quite successfully it would seem).

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Sure it is.

Bolsten [ bowl - sten ]
- verb
1. To Bolsten

Related Forms:
Bolstenable
Bostenless
Bostenlike

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

bolsten- no dictionary results

Did you mean bolster? Sorry for being picky but on lunch break and this is fun.

Its no longer a problem.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Are you searching the Greek Dictionary?

Obviously not.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

No eleven team league please

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

uncle steve wrote:

nightz wrote:

Capital 1 or Champs Premier!!! whats it matter which one they play in as they are all social leagues after all.

Stupid thing to say.

I agree. He should have included Central League as a social league too.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Feverish wrote:

to think, he came within a week of being a Wharfie

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Feverish wrote:

No eleven team league please

9 team league!

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

uncle steve wrote:

nightz wrote:

Capital 1 or Champs Premier!!! whats it matter which one they play in as they are all social leagues after all.

Stupid thing to say.

Situation:

Your a CL club who currently has a second team and is wanting to attract some more players to bolsten up your first team squad.

Heres an idea for you.

Try developing your own juniors rather than buying in players.

A dog with a bone :)

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Burn!

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

nightz wrote:

uncle steve wrote:

nightz wrote:

Capital 1 or Champs Premier!!! whats it matter which one they play in as they are all social leagues after all.

Stupid thing to say.

Situation:

Your a CL club who currently has a second team and is wanting to attract some more players to bolsten up your first team squad.

Heres an idea for you.

Try developing your own juniors rather than buying in players.

Yeah like Wests and Miramar.

Checkbook much?

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Smithy wrote:

Also, I think Olympic might have sought (and received) Capital Football's approval for him to play, although I'm not 100% on that.

Lastly, what about Naenae. They appealed the result of the game after being absolutely minging all year and comfortably losing in the playoff. They deserved to go down, and they knew it. And Olympic deserved to go up and haven't, purely on a technicality.

Naenae will now waste another few thousand dollars of gaming machine/their members' money bringing out Poms to try and survive another year.

Very. Poor.

Gentlemen

The decision has been made from CF and they will (CF) will not be appealing the NZF decision...well that means that Olympic will be staying at Div 1 according to them and Naenae will be staying at Premier. Olympic AFC are very very dissapointed with CF's decision and will be making an official statement once all options have been explored. It is a pitty that CF don't or are not willing to "back -up" their own decisions.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Leaving aside the factors that got us where we are with this, it is a good decision in my opinion. They donï¿½t want to be setting a precedent. Now it just needs the Regs cleaned up.

The Dreamers will see you in Cap 1.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Dammit - Naenae park as opposed to Newtown - damn

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Feverish wrote:

Leaving aside the factors that got us where we are with this, it is a good decision in my opinion. They donï¿½t want to be setting a precedent. Now it just needs the Regs cleaned up.

The Dreamers will see you in Cap 1.

Whilst I do respect your opinion , let me assure you that there is already a precedent albeit a few years ago, and do you think that CF are capable of sorting this mess....I seriously doubt this ...but somehow I do hope they do.

still a long way off before the fat lady sings...

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Da Boss wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Leaving aside the factors that got us where we are with this, it is a good decision in my opinion. They donï¿½t want to be setting a precedent. Now it just needs the Regs cleaned up.

The Dreamers will see you in Cap 1.

still a long way off before the fat lady sings...

You do?

Why?

Nobody else does ;-)

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

zing. was about to write that

Nelson Suburbs?

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Smithy wrote:

Da Boss wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Leaving aside the factors that got us where we are with this, it is a good decision in my opinion. They donï¿½t want to be setting a precedent. Now it just needs the Regs cleaned up.

The Dreamers will see you in Cap 1.

still a long way off before the fat lady sings...

You do?

Why?

Nobody else does ;-)

Well despite what everyone else thinks of him... deep down he is just a "problem child" and he needs lots of love....

On a serious note though...we are all entitled to our own opinions no matter how weird they are...!!!!

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

nightz wrote:

uncle steve wrote:

nightz wrote:

Capital 1 or Champs Premier!!! whats it matter which one they play in as they are all social leagues after all.

Stupid thing to say.

Situation:

Your a CL club who currently has a second team and is wanting to attract some more players to bolsten up your first team squad.

Heres an idea for you.

Try developing your own juniors rather than buying in players.

Not quite sure what your yardstick is here or whether you're just spouting sh*t again but I'm pretty sure players with names like Haidakis, Barbarouses, Neonakis and Halikias in it shows a fair representation from the Greek community. There are others in that squad too who, while they don't have Bubble and Squeek names have been at the club since they were kids. Chaz Lawrence for example.

Then of course there's Raf.

But if we compare with, say, Lower Hutt...who I think do a great job of bringing young players through their club...they have a smattering of locally produced players, and then they have players with surnames like Garcias and Corralles.

Pretty similar you'd have to say.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Why CF even needs to correct their regs, the way I see it all they need in the regs is a disclaimer to the effect ï¿½if CF gives a wrong ruling because we are incompetent and your club takes a dive, that is your problemï¿½.

In the last 8 months I believe that the office has lost any credibility with its clubs, if the board had anything to do with the latest decision I as manager would quit on the spot.

Ok the manager did f***up, so why did the board not support his ruling?

How much of this decision is pay back because Olympic openly supported other candidates in the board elections just months ago?

In 1999 when a ruling went against the federation, CF told NZF their ruling would not be accepted and what did NZF do, nothing, so why did CF not do the same this time?

But those were the days when CF had a strong people on the board, who were there only to support the clubs and not for their own egos.

My impression of the board for the last 4 years has become ï¿½yes menï¿½ for NZF and have no guts to stand up to NZF therefore can not support it's clubs.

critter2009-11-06 16:17:34

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

CF's clubs are on both sides of the issue here though

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

so is it not a kick in the guts for the manager or is it as I say "payback"

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

they have supported the manager. Just going back whinging to NZF is a step they they are not prepared to take for various reasons (not the ones you state)

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Feverish wrote:

they have supported the manager. Just going back whinging to NZF is a step they they are not prepared to take for various reasons (not the ones you state)

So from now on what sort of credibility would the decisions of the Manager have....?? ZILCH as from now on people may just decide to appeal just for the hell of it...I know that some people have already indicated that they will... and yes that is not good enough for our region...but may be they (CF) can just stand up "say the word "SORRY WE FU***ED UP and may be then people may be willing to let things go....

Like i said the game is not over till the fat lady sings....

Da Boss2009-11-06 16:37:56

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Feverish where do you get the idea that they would have even considered to even going back to NZF, CF was asked to appeal the NZF ruling but did not know the appeal procedure, the NZF regulation covering it and that there was deadline for such.

Where I am coming from is, if you club asks for a ruling and is given one, how much faith will your club have in it, donï¿½t tell me that your club would accept it and if it turns to sh*t just say ok.

There is a lot more to this saga that is still to play out in regards to CF not adhering to their own regs.

If I was at a club, I would ask all rulings from that office to be counter signed by the board.