All,
The season is barely a month old and it has been disappointing the amount of time Capital Football has had to spend on disciplinary matters, regulation protests, and complaints. Already there have been incidents regarding punching of a referee, the punching of a women�s player, abusing a referee after the game and punching of a changing room wall. In addition, there have 3 protests regarding eligibility in women�s grades and there have been official complaints regarding cheating, a team claiming a win rather than a default and spitting.We are also hearing more examples of foul and abusive language from players and coaches.
Putting aside the damage that these incidents do to the image of our game, they have involved a significant amount of non-productive time for the Capital Football office.
Capital Football is now asking clubs to make their members aware that these incidents are not acceptable. Our sport doesn�t need to be tarnished with a negative reputation and clubs need to take responsibility for their member�s behaviour and actions. Capital Football will then be able to concentrate on its core services and on more productive matters that will benefit football.
I make no apology in asking this - violent behaviour and abusive language is a blight on the game. However I also firmly believe that this produces a win/win - we at Capital Football can focus on work that adds value to the game and we all gain through a more positive image for football in our region.
Regards
Grant Herman
Chief Executive
Capital Football
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that's just sad......
Queenslander 3x a year.
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By some small miracle I haven't even been carded yet - so my conscience is clear
Founder
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Well done Capital Football! Know how they feel.
www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com
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Name the club, name the player, name the coach, name the manager, name the club where supoorters come from, name the umpire, or those who bring the game into disrepute. This is simply the Hall of Notoriety (like Schindler's List) and this should work to reradicate and expunge bad eggs from soccer. Coem on, dare to get it going? Retrospective listing could be good too.
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I'd check the legal implications of allegations before naming people on here.
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besides, do you know how many idiots would write on here, boasting their antics etc..
Stronger measures should be used. You punch a player or ref? Get a n 8-game ban. Enforce that ban and see how many people keep on doing it.
Stronger measures should be used. You punch a player or ref? Get a n 8-game ban. Enforce that ban and see how many people keep on doing it.
VUW AFC - Victoria University Football for life
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besides, do you know how many idiots would write on here, boasting their antics etc..
Stronger measures should be used. You punch a player or ref? Get a n 8-game ban. Enforce that ban and see how many people keep on doing it.
Stronger measures should be used. You punch a player or ref? Get a n 8-game ban. Enforce that ban and see how many people keep on doing it.
Very sure that is enforced.
Founder
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besides, do you know how many idiots would write on here, boasting their antics etc..Stronger measures should be used. You punch a player or ref? Get a n 8-game ban. Enforce that ban and see how many people keep on doing it.
Very sure that is enforced.
How many turn up for teams in the lower grades, or does no one care about the lower grades?
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This is simply the Hall of Notoriety (like Schindler's List)
Excuse me?
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Lets not get this off the very important topic that it's about
But that is a very bad, wrong, spastically idiotic analogy.
However, name and shame, players, clubs and coaches. Can't see an issue (besides possible legal as news says)
But that is a very bad, wrong, spastically idiotic analogy.
However, name and shame, players, clubs and coaches. Can't see an issue (besides possible legal as news says)
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to balance out the hall of notoriety, and to focus on the positive I'd like to suggest a hallf fairplay fame- List a time a team/player/coach/club/supporter shows their virtuous side- like when Greenie thanks Island Bay for the way they behaved recently
Salmon swim upstream
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surely if you use the word "allegedly" we are alright with the legal aspects?
Player X alledgedly punched a ref beacuse the ref made a call which he disagreed with, so Player X is alledgedly a c**t.
Frankie Mac2011-05-06 21:29:16All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
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player x from wainui got banned for 5 years for punching ref.
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player x from wainui got banned for 5 years for punching ref.
As mentioned before, if you use the word "alledgedly" you can use their real name (unless their real name is actually Player X, which would be a bit freaky)
All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
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I don't see any legal issues with this at all. If it is true then there is absolutely nothing wrong with publishing facts. The only way you libel someone is if what you publish is both incorrect and defamatory. The first defence to libel is truth.
The ones who should be doing this are capital football though, they should have a hall of shame for ill discipline.
Normo's coming home
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How many times have posters on this forum been slandering away and how many of them have been suited? None! Good thing about pseudonyms and annonymity.
"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it.
Martin Luther King, Jr."
Martin Luther King, Jr."
Would Kevin Muscat who upended another youth player and sent the poor bugger on lengthy recovery worthy of the "Hall of Notoriety"?
Why do posters suddenly feel guilty and legally responsible when one of their own may be cited? Scared of truth, eh? In our rugby regime, when players get cited, they turn up in suits, plead for forgiveness and they still get hammered and their names get plastered all over our newspapers and tv. So why are soccer players and those involved in your round code any different?? Wake up and smell the coffee. Fearful of Hall of Notoriety coupled with severe punishments will work and deter others with the end result in elevating the round code to national status that it deserves, me think.
AngusBeef2011-05-07 01:41:23
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I know how Cf feels - sad that it has had to reach this stage
When we suspend someone in Rugby League, a message giving the player's name and suspension time is sent to all Clubs. This serves two purposes - it lets the Clubs know who is suspended in case they appear while under suspension, and hopefully has an effect on the players involved
May be something CF could look at doing
When we suspend someone in Rugby League, a message giving the player's name and suspension time is sent to all Clubs. This serves two purposes - it lets the Clubs know who is suspended in case they appear while under suspension, and hopefully has an effect on the players involved
May be something CF could look at doing
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I know how Cf feels - sad that it has had to reach this stage
When we suspend someone in Rugby League, a message giving the player's name and suspension time is sent to all Clubs. This serves two purposes - it lets the Clubs know who is suspended in case they appear while under suspension, and hopefully has an effect on the players involved
May be something CF could look at doing
trueWhen we suspend someone in Rugby League, a message giving the player's name and suspension time is sent to all Clubs. This serves two purposes - it lets the Clubs know who is suspended in case they appear while under suspension, and hopefully has an effect on the players involved
May be something CF could look at doing
Founder
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what Cap 15 team was it by the way? Interesting that the woman's punishment is being challenged..
"When contacted for further comment yesterday, Mr Herman would not reveal names or clubs but said the player banned for punching a referee had not appealed against his five-year ban, although the player accused of punching a female opponent had. The case would be heard next week"
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Not sure how to word this exactly. THis can be sorted by teams themselves. If one of your team mates has an "anger isssue" surely the team shoud take action before he/she becomes a liability. Stop waiting for the point where it's necessary for refs/officials to have to be involved.
p.s. Such a good story that the Dompost have it on the frontpage and on page B24.
turkiye2011-05-07 11:26:02
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I was actually going to write about this in my earlier post but couldn't really word it, so I refrained.
however, this is what happens in Italy in all organized leagues(including in all lower grades, grassroots etc):
Each player, at the beginning of each season, has to provide
a) a medical certificate from his GP to guarantee that he is OK to play sport
b) a photo and signature to go on his football ID card.
The club then sends these documents to the FIGC (the Italian NZ football) and receives and ID card for the player. Every player must show his ID card before the game to the refree. Ref's actually go into the sheds before every game and after checking boots they line up the teams and, starting from the GK all the way to the 3rd sub they check names, photos etc.
This way there can be no mistake about who is playing and for what club.
Now I know that this would be nearly impossible to enforce in cap 15, and frankly does anyone in cap 15 care to know who their opposition is? However, this would be quite handy in the event on exceedingly mouthy and violent players.
When I was 15 I had a red-mist incident culminating with my getting sent off. I received a 4-week ban and a report which said that if I copped another red for the reminder of the season, I would be banned for another 8 matches.
Needless to say, I learned my lesson.
however, this is what happens in Italy in all organized leagues(including in all lower grades, grassroots etc):
Each player, at the beginning of each season, has to provide
a) a medical certificate from his GP to guarantee that he is OK to play sport
b) a photo and signature to go on his football ID card.
The club then sends these documents to the FIGC (the Italian NZ football) and receives and ID card for the player. Every player must show his ID card before the game to the refree. Ref's actually go into the sheds before every game and after checking boots they line up the teams and, starting from the GK all the way to the 3rd sub they check names, photos etc.
This way there can be no mistake about who is playing and for what club.
Now I know that this would be nearly impossible to enforce in cap 15, and frankly does anyone in cap 15 care to know who their opposition is? However, this would be quite handy in the event on exceedingly mouthy and violent players.
When I was 15 I had a red-mist incident culminating with my getting sent off. I received a 4-week ban and a report which said that if I copped another red for the reminder of the season, I would be banned for another 8 matches.
Needless to say, I learned my lesson.
VUW AFC - Victoria University Football for life
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In Rugby we have a table on our website with all players under suspension. Major suspensions get circulated around clubs.
www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com
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If Capital Football don't have the balls to post the official reports of these incidents on their website, then the email is a joke.
Someone punches a ref, gets a ban. That should be fully published on the CF website so everyone is clear it's not tolerated, and that everyone will know what happened.
Disappointed by CF's stance on not publishing the details.
In regards to the language, again without knowing what people are referring to, it's hard to say.
A lot of people refereeing games are volunteers, so there's always going to be issues people are not happy with, and one person's witty retort is another man's abusive language complaint.
Only way to fix that is to get more proper referees like they have in lower rugby grades.
Capital Football needs to show some maturity on their management of this, by properly publishing the details on their website, so people can check it.Ard Righ2011-05-07 16:47:59
Someone punches a ref, gets a ban. That should be fully published on the CF website so everyone is clear it's not tolerated, and that everyone will know what happened.
Disappointed by CF's stance on not publishing the details.
In regards to the language, again without knowing what people are referring to, it's hard to say.
A lot of people refereeing games are volunteers, so there's always going to be issues people are not happy with, and one person's witty retort is another man's abusive language complaint.
Only way to fix that is to get more proper referees like they have in lower rugby grades.
Capital Football needs to show some maturity on their management of this, by properly publishing the details on their website, so people can check it.Ard Righ2011-05-07 16:47:59
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In my oval code, massive brawls, fisticuffs, punches,concussion, head high tackle, clothes line, broken bones, spear tackles, are common vocabularies. These cuplrits can't get away and they do get hammered hard. We have players who are huge, big and strong and they certainly play a very very gladiatorial game all the time and this is why the injuries are life changing for those who are at the receiving end. Sad to hear that your round ball code is also starting to have similar thuggish behaviour. Why can't you guys get these creeps out of your game for good? Have some balls and do it!! We don't need these creeps in any of our sport. AngusBeef2011-05-08 12:10:41
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what Cap 15 team was it by the way?
Somebody said it was Wainui and theres only one Wainui team in Cap 15
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I'm not certain that has been confirmed by anyone. Harsh to tar them with that if it wasn't them.
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I'm not certain that has been confirmed by anyone.� Harsh to tar them with that if it wasn't them.
Which is exactly the reason to publish the details out in the open for everyone to see for themselves.
Chinese whispers set in, and wrong team/player gets accused, and that doesn't help anyone
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If it isn't from Cap 15. Lets start guessing. Start from the bottom, Div 18?
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If it isn't from Cap 15. Lets start guessing. Start from the bottom, Div 18?
Who said that?
Guessing isn't helpful.
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it was the player/coach from wainui cap 18 side punched tawa ref.
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They dont have a player coach, they do however have a manager and he didnt punch anyone.
Pays to get your facts right if you are going to make accusations.
A dog with a bone :)
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They dont have a player coach, they do however have a manager and he didnt punch anyone.
Pays to get your facts right if you are going to make accusations.
so was it Wainui?Founder
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To summarise so far, that was a player from Wainui in Cap 18. More facts so we can stop guessing.
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Whoever it was should be banned for life and also be facing an assult charge.
Usually in the lower grades the ref is someone from the home side with little or no training. You have to accept that they are just trying to do their best and you will often get decisions you dont like. In all my years Ive rarely run into one that is deliberatly cheating and never one that deserves a good beating. I wont comment on the trained ones in the higher grades though 
A dog with a bone :)
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exactly.. that if the facts are only half told then people will spread rumours.. and rumours can get changed pretty quickly.
It was a wainui player that punched the ref in a DIV 18 game.. (not alleged).
The wainui players "seemed" to be the person that organised the team.
The wainui players "seemed" to be the person that organised the team.
if you are the referee at a game (doesnt matter the grade) then you have the full rights as any other referee..
the player got banned
the club got fined
and yes i agree it should be an assult charge..
totally agree with Nightz comments - if the teams accept the player as the ref then he has the rights!!... and he was only trying to do his best (the tawa ref that is)
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Whoever it was should be banned for life and also be facing an assult charge.
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Usually in the lower grades the ref is someone from the home side with little or no training. You have to accept that�they are just trying to do their best and you will often get decisions you dont like. In all my years Ive rarely run into one that is deliberatly cheating and�never one that deserves a good beating.�I wont comment on the trained ones in the higher grades though
Until gross incompetence by the ref that favours the home side is construed as bias.
These sort of incidents, with varying degrees of violence, will probably continue to happen if the status quo remains.
I have said before that the rules of the game should be provided to each team that is registered with capital football, and possibly make a one day/evening refereeing course mandatory for at least captains and/or managers for all teams.Bullion2011-05-09 14:02:55
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So, if player doesn't like the umpire's call (being baised), that is a reason and justification to go and abuse and punch him. How about using provocation as a justification, ie player was unhappy with umpire's incompetence and was provoked to abuse and/or dish out some physical retributions. What a bunch of thugs! Hope you don't get as many headline grabbing thugs like ours in oval code.
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