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almost 13 years ago

To clarify, doing anything with excessive force is not the crime. A challenge which doesn't offend against the below with excessive force is fine. (Well except for endangering the safety of the opponent, but that's a rarity)

There are 10 offences which result in a Direct FK.

  • kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
  • trips or attempts to trip an opponent
  • jumps at an opponent
  • charges an opponent
  • strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
  • pushes an opponent
  • tackles an opponent
  • holds an opponent
  • spits at an opponent
  • handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area)
In the case of the first 7, when they are committed, the referee must judge whether they are done carelessly, recklessly or with excessive force. 

Carelessly results in a FK only, recklessly a yellow, with excessive force leads to a red.

As an aside, I endorse everything Chris said. Believe me, noone is angerier when I make mistakes than me.

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almost 13 years ago
Junior82 wrote:
AJ13 wrote:

I don't get the whole excessive force thing. If its a clean tackle and all ball then whats the problem? Is that actually in the rule book or some wuss rule that 8th grade sideline parents have dreamed up? Cant actually recall the last time I've seen 'excessive force' blown up by a ref, if ever.


More likely to see excessive force in adult games than junior.

Careless or reckless yes,


 Edit: Yes it is in the Laws of the Game :)

No problem with careless or reckless, happy to see those blown up. I live for those full blooded 50/50s though lol
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almost 13 years ago
Junior82 wrote:

Penalty would be for tacking with excessive force no? Tackle from behind is not an offence anymore.


Edit: The Level One course is good BTW.


ruling that I based the penalty around - also covers discussion about sliding tackles

Commonly associated fouls and misconduct

A sliding tackle is not in itself foul play, however there are a number of fouls that commonly occur during the execution of a sliding tackle.

Examples of such fouls punishable by a direct free kick or penalty kick include:

  • When a player tackles an opponent to gain possession of the ball, making contact with the opponent before touching the ball;
  • When a player in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:
    • kicks or attempts to kick an opponent;
    • trips or attempts to trip an opponent;
    • raises his/her football boots perpendicular to the field (colloquially known as "studs up").

Playing in a dangerous manner is punishable by an indirect free kick.

A foul sliding tackle may also constitute misconduct, resulting in either yellow card (caution) or a red card (send off). In particular a tackle "which endangers the safety of an opponent, must be sanctioned as serious foul play" (i.e. the player must be sent off).

Slide tackles from behind or with both legs extended have now been outlawed due to the injury and danger to other players that it causes. These tackles generally earn the player who commits them a straight red card, even if the ball is won cleanly and the tackle is not technically a foul.


Queenslander 3x a year.

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almost 13 years ago

Fundamentally, the game has changed from what we know it. I watched a thing on ESPN a month ago about Brian Deane who was the first ever EPL goalscorer and 20 years ago, the EPL looked like a bad day in Harlem. The tackles were just outrageous in that I think I easily spotted 3 red cards in one 15 min clip that didn't event get a foul.

When you see that, it really does require a mindset shift from what used to happen, to today and the reality is, you can get all ball, but if the manner in which you execute it endangers your opponents safety, you are gone burgers.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 13 years ago

Cards and more cards..In the A League you get 5 yellows and you get stood down etc...

What if you have a couple of Reds and some Yellows already in a season. Is there any guidelines??

"Who ate all the pies"

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almost 13 years ago
Dino11 wrote:

Cards and more cards..In the A League you get 5 yellows and you get stood down etc...

What if you have a couple of Reds and some Yellows already in a season. Is there any guidelines??

Yes

A dog with a bone :)

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almost 13 years ago

Help me Nightz... I read the suspeniosn after 5 - 7- 10.. not sure with Reds

Two Reds for Goal Scoring and 1 yellow, one game stood down after each red, what does this mean?

Steer me in the right direction..

"Who ate all the pies"

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almost 13 years ago
Dino11 wrote:

Help me Nightz... I read the suspeniosn after 5 - 7- 10.. not sure with Reds

Two Reds for Goal Scoring and 1 yellow, one game stood down after each red, what does this mean?

Steer me in the right direction..

I dont know why you couldnt look this up yourself!

http://www.sportingpulse.com/get_file.cgi?id=1780632

To lazy I guess.

A dog with a bone :)

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almost 11 years ago · edited almost 11 years ago · History

Even though he is a 'real' Ref he cannot sanction a card unless he was appointed by Capital Football and the rules of the league allow it. Very dodgy. Also if he is a 'real Ref he will have a 3 digit registration number which he will be able to tell you without hesitation. I know of  a guy whose son is this age and he impersonates as a Ref but he's not!

Sorry this is a reply to Redkatipo on page 1

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almost 11 years ago

it was worth the 2 year wait. 


Allegedly

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almost 11 years ago

topiary wrote:

Even though he is a 'real' Ref he cannot sanction a card unless he was appointed by Capital Football and the rules of the league allow it. Very dodgy. Also if he is a 'real Ref he will have a 3 digit registration number which he will be able to tell you without hesitation. I know of  a guy whose son is this age and he impersonates as a Ref but he's not!

Sorry this is a reply to Redkatipo on page 1

Two years late, and also wrong. Registration numbers are a thing of the past, so any referee who started in the last 2-3 years won't have one.

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almost 11 years ago

yellow&black wrote:

topiary wrote:

Even though he is a 'real' Ref he cannot sanction a card unless he was appointed by Capital Football and the rules of the league allow it. Very dodgy. Also if he is a 'real Ref he will have a 3 digit registration number which he will be able to tell you without hesitation. I know of  a guy whose son is this age and he impersonates as a Ref but he's not!

Sorry this is a reply to Redkatipo on page 1

Two years late, and also wrong. Registration numbers are a thing of the past, so any referee who started in the last 2-3 years won't have one.

So not really wrong then.
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almost 11 years ago

topiary wrote:

yellow&black wrote:

topiary wrote:

Even though he is a 'real' Ref he cannot sanction a card unless he was appointed by Capital Football and the rules of the league allow it. Very dodgy. Also if he is a 'real Ref he will have a 3 digit registration number which he will be able to tell you without hesitation. I know of  a guy whose son is this age and he impersonates as a Ref but he's not!

Sorry this is a reply to Redkatipo on page 1

Two years late, and also wrong. Registration numbers are a thing of the past, so any referee who started in the last 2-3 years won't have one.

So not really wrong then.

a it's wrong. The reply mentioning registration numbers only got posted 5 days ago.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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over 10 years ago

Was also wrong two years ago. I came back to refereeing in Wellington three years ago, and do not have a registration number.

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over 10 years ago

I see referee's appointed as far as Capital 7 this week, I hope they referee to the standard of the game if not could be win for capital Football coffers

Play Hard Play Fair
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over 10 years ago

There has been big dramas in Nelson football! Refs have refused to ref Richmond Div 1 games due to members of the club publicly berating certain refs on Club Facebook page.

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over 10 years ago

I see referee's appointed as far as Capital 7 this week, I hope they referee to the standard of the game if not could be win for capital Football coffers

There's no Central League and no Cap Prem games, so theres just the same number of ref's but they are just going further down the divisions.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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over 10 years ago

I see referee's appointed as far as Capital 7 this week, I hope they referee to the standard of the game if not could be win for capital Football coffers

It's good that the referees are volunteering to officiate grades lower down on a weekend where there is no CL or cap prem yeah?


Allegedly

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over 10 years ago

There will be no refs assigned to any First Division games in Nelson next week and none to the Richmond game the following week as a result of verbal attack on a senior referee last week through Facebook. The club is also subject to a judiciary hearing with Nelson Bays Football for "bringing the game into disrepute".

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over 10 years ago

I am guessing that this is an action from the referees rather than the Mainland football. It would seem strange to punish the other teams in the league rather than just the offending club by withdrawing referees.

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over 10 years ago

I am guessing that this is an action from the referees rather than the Mainland football. It would seem strange to punish the other teams in the league rather than just the offending club by withdrawing referees.

I'd say good on them. Probably more effective if all referees decide they want to 'take a few days off'. Let's see how pressure  from other clubs that are now also affected will influence situation.

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over 10 years ago

Tegal wrote:

I see referee's appointed as far as Capital 7 this week, I hope they referee to the standard of the game if not could be win for capital Football coffers

It's good that the referees are volunteering to officiate grades lower down on a weekend where there is no CL or cap prem yeah?

I can confirm that the referee in one particular cap 7 did not ref to the standard of the game.  It is dubious he reffed to any known standard at all actually.  

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over 10 years ago

Little Face wrote:

Tegal wrote:

I see referee's appointed as far as Capital 7 this week, I hope they referee to the standard of the game if not could be win for capital Football coffers

It's good that the referees are volunteering to officiate grades lower down on a weekend where there is no CL or cap prem yeah?

I can confirm that the referee in one particular cap 7 did not ref to the standard of the game.  It is dubious he reffed to any known standard at all actually.  

oopps….

no Refs for div 7 next week…..

my understanding of the purpose of a ref is to be even to both sides.

he can be of not a standard as desired as long as he applies his method the same to both sides.

i'm sure that was the way it was explained to me years ago when i was about to be given the big red

good sportsmanship and fair playing field is all we ask for

but all we get is talk and goal posts moving

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over 10 years ago

Little Face wrote:

Tegal wrote:

I see referee's appointed as far as Capital 7 this week, I hope they referee to the standard of the game if not could be win for capital Football coffers

It's good that the referees are volunteering to officiate grades lower down on a weekend where there is no CL or cap prem yeah?

I can confirm that the referee in one particular cap 7 did not ref to the standard of the game.  It is dubious he reffed to any known standard at all actually.  

Perhaps you did not play to the standard of having an official referee.
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over 10 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

Little Face wrote:

Tegal wrote:

I see referee's appointed as far as Capital 7 this week, I hope they referee to the standard of the game if not could be win for capital Football coffers

It's good that the referees are volunteering to officiate grades lower down on a weekend where there is no CL or cap prem yeah?

I can confirm that the referee in one particular cap 7 did not ref to the standard of the game.  It is dubious he reffed to any known standard at all actually.  

Perhaps you did not play to the standard of having an official referee.

Perhaps not.  No issues with the refs decisions on the whole.  His aggressive and deliberate baiting of players on both teams was uncalled for however.  You know it's bad when both teams get together at half time and consider asking the ref to leave and playing on regardless.  

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over 10 years ago

Little Face wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Little Face wrote:

Tegal wrote:

I see referee's appointed as far as Capital 7 this week, I hope they referee to the standard of the game if not could be win for capital Football coffers

It's good that the referees are volunteering to officiate grades lower down on a weekend where there is no CL or cap prem yeah?

I can confirm that the referee in one particular cap 7 did not ref to the standard of the game.  It is dubious he reffed to any known standard at all actually.  

Perhaps you did not play to the standard of having an official referee.

Perhaps not.  No issues with the refs decisions on the whole.  His aggressive and deliberate baiting of players on both teams was uncalled for however.  You know it's bad when both teams get together at half time and consider asking the ref to leave and playing on regardless.  

Who was the ref?

Founder

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over 10 years ago · edited over 10 years ago · History

Little Face wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Little Face wrote:

Tegal wrote:

I see referee's appointed as far as Capital 7 this week, I hope they referee to the standard of the game if not could be win for capital Football coffers

It's good that the referees are volunteering to officiate grades lower down on a weekend where there is no CL or cap prem yeah?

I can confirm that the referee in one particular cap 7 did not ref to the standard of the game.  It is dubious he reffed to any known standard at all actually.  

Perhaps you did not play to the standard of having an official referee.

Perhaps not.  No issues with the refs decisions on the whole.  His aggressive and deliberate baiting of players on both teams was uncalled for however.  You know it's bad when both teams get together at half time and consider asking the ref to leave and playing on regardless.  

Following from your string of comments it does seem like there could be some confirmation bias on your part. 

Though I do imagine that you would've got a newer referee, so surely you can appreciate their volunteering and cut them some slack? At least a player didn't have to referee as they normally would. 


Allegedly

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over 10 years ago

Tegal wrote:

Little Face wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Little Face wrote:

Tegal wrote:

I see referee's appointed as far as Capital 7 this week, I hope they referee to the standard of the game if not could be win for capital Football coffers

It's good that the referees are volunteering to officiate grades lower down on a weekend where there is no CL or cap prem yeah?

I can confirm that the referee in one particular cap 7 did not ref to the standard of the game.  It is dubious he reffed to any known standard at all actually.  

Perhaps you did not play to the standard of having an official referee.

Perhaps not.  No issues with the refs decisions on the whole.  His aggressive and deliberate baiting of players on both teams was uncalled for however.  You know it's bad when both teams get together at half time and consider asking the ref to leave and playing on regardless.  

Following from your string of comments it does seem like there could be some confirmation bias on your part. 

Though I do imagine that you would've got a newer referee, so surely you can appreciate their volunteering and cut them some slack? At least a player didn't have to referee as they normally would. 

Volunteering?

Founder

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over 10 years ago · edited over 10 years ago · History

nah, I couldn't handle the sh*t I'd inevitably get. Too busy playing at the moment anyway. 

Edit: I just realised what you actually meant. To my knowledge the referees don't get paid...? So yes, I'd call it volunteering. 


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over 10 years ago
They get some money per game refereed that is normally paid at the end of the year. However that doesn't cover the cost of petrol to get to games as well as the gear that we buy with our own money. So really we do it because we love the game!
I'm an optimistic pessimist. 
I'm positive things will go wrong.
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over 10 years ago

Yakcall wrote:
They get some money per game refereed that is normally paid at the end of the year. However that doesn't cover the cost of petrol to get to games as well as the gear that we buy with our own money.

So really we do it because we love the game!

there is payment - which doesn't match the dollars that clubs pay out in ref fees and fines. But yeah I'm not saying anyone is making a living out of it!

Founder

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over 10 years ago

Feverish wrote:

Yakcall wrote:
They get some money per game refereed that is normally paid at the end of the year. However that doesn't cover the cost of petrol to get to games as well as the gear that we buy with our own money.

So really we do it because we love the game!

there is payment - which doesn't match the dollars that clubs pay out in ref fees and fines. But yeah I'm not saying anyone is making a living out of it!

maybe thats the problem ????

good sportsmanship and fair playing field is all we ask for

but all we get is talk and goal posts moving

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over 10 years ago

you're suggesting cap football should employ referees professionally to referee cap 7 games?


Allegedly

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over 10 years ago

Tegal wrote:

you're suggesting cap football should employ referees professionally to referee cap 7 games?

in general for the ref system

but maybe there should be a system so it could be a career path that pays without having to leave NZ….

nz rugby have referees that people on the street can name and the youth look up too.

NZ football has ???? most refs who's names i remember are not for the positive reasons and most Youth wouldn't know any.

good sportsmanship and fair playing field is all we ask for

but all we get is talk and goal posts moving

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over 10 years ago

Tegal wrote:

you're suggesting cap football should employ referees professionally to referee cap 7 games?

in general for the ref system

but maybe there should be a system so it could be a career path that pays without having to leave NZ….

nz rugby have referees that people on the street can name and the youth look up too.

NZ football has ???? most refs who's names i remember are not for the positive reasons and most Youth wouldn't know any.

Rugby is more popular than football in this country. The same phenomenon you just described about the awareness of referees names could also be applied to the All Blacks. These "youth" you speak of will be more likely to be able to name 10 current All Blacks than 10 current All Whites.

And if you expect the referees at Cap 6/7 level to be of the same standard as John Rowbury, then as one of those referees I can tell you that you are having a laugh.


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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over 10 years ago

The quality of referees at the lower levels is usually proportionate to the quality of the players.  The difference is refs at that level know they are a bit shark

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over 10 years ago

Speaking of refs ....

Giving refs Pepper Spray...I like it.

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over 10 years ago

watched a referee yesterday send a player off for accidently running into the back of him while trying to get the ball, the ref looked confused for a couple of seconds then called the player over and pulled out a straight red. when questioned about the decision he said in over 30 years no one has ever run into his back so it must of been done on purpose.another player then got a red for telling the ref it was a rediculous decision. after the game the other team and spectators approached the ref and told him they were sure the running into him was an accident and he had maybe over reacted. the ref then said as he walked away he would not put the card in to central football so the team played without one of their players for about 15 minutes for no reason and ended up losing 3-1.

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over 10 years ago · edited over 10 years ago · History

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I'm an optimistic pessimist. 
I'm positive things will go wrong.
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