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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The ref in the Wests v Wgtn Utd friendly yesterday was very good, have never seen him before.
Fruglo on 15.01.2013 wrote:

Fuck this stupid game

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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I can honestly say that in all my years of playing football a referee has never actually RUINED an entire game.  There have been bad calls, inconsistencies, odd decisions and moments that have had a major impact on games, but a referee has never completely DESTROYED any match I've played in.  Maybe I've been lucky.

I used to get quite angry / frustrated during some games, and direct that anger / frustration at refs, team-mates, opponents, spectators and myself, but all you end up doing is looking a bit of a twat.  And let's be honest - FIFA aren't waiting on the edge of their seats for our results.
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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I've only ever had a real problem with one ref that has ruined games. Was watching the 12.30 game before mine and he sent off 3 players (including the goalkeeper for saying "FFS guys" as he was picking the ball out of the net due to all 3 of his defenders marking one player. He then told me proudly before our game that he had sent 13 players off in the last 3 weeks - I became the 14th after saying "that's ridiculous" while ref was on half way and I was on my haunches near the goal box.(not swearing as I knew that to swear would be an instant red.

That's only time we have ever felt the need to lay an official complaint about a referee. In general, refs are just guys (or girls) who enjoy football and want to contribute. They make mistakes, like any player, but don't deserve anywhere near the sh*t they get.
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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
the closest I have come to a ref destroying a game is when they are not strong enough and the whole thing becomes a bitch fest with every player questioning every decision.  At all levels, refs should book the first person who questions their decision (apart from the captain, if he does it in the correct way).  End of problem.  I don't buy this "heat of the moment" theory, as some of the abuse they get is sustained abuse several seconds after the decision has been made, and many other sports have players who can have a decision go against them without the need to call the ref a f**king w**ker.

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Frankie Mac wrote:
the closest I have come to a ref destroying a game is when they are not strong enough and the whole thing becomes a bitch fest with every player questioning every decision.� At all levels, refs should book the first person who questions their decision (apart from the captain, if he does it in the correct way).� End of problem.� I don't buy this "heat of the moment" theory, as some of the abuse they get is sustained abuse several seconds after the decision has been made, and many other sports have players who can have a decision go against them without the need to call the ref a f**king w**ker.


Agreed, I don't know why referees put up with what they do. If all refs booked players that came flying up to them whinging and swearing after every decision, players would soon learn that it is not acceptable.
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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
oh, and can someone with powers change the little comment under my wonderful picture of the Frank to something witty about how I want to sex up a referee?  The current one is out of date as I moved back to London about 14 months ago (although it must be difficult to keep up).

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I got a bit annoyed a couple of seasons ago with a coach of an opposition team who was quite officious and proud of his whistle. Grade 8 games are supposed to be fun.

Fortunately we haven't met that team again since but we still have a giggle about him (kids included).
Junior822011-03-21 22:17:59

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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It all starts with Junior football. The cr*p that starts there on the sidelines from the parents and coaches has reached senior football now that the young whipper snappers are old enough to play big boys football.
Refs should be tougher as long as what they are doing is right. 
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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Good that few conscientious posters have voiced their support for refs so far. Do players get abused by refs when they make mistakes? Is there any real reprimands when coaches, managers, club supporters abuse the refs or do they just condone the bad and abusive behaviour? Do the game administrator have any teeth when it comes to reeling in abusive coaches, managers, club officials or club supporters or is it just a case of refs having a bad day or refs bring it upon themselves for being out there amnongst the vultures and hyenas? It will be truly amazing if this can be turned around and start a ref appreciation tide.
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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'll give it till about April 3rd and it'll be business as usual! Unfortunately.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
this ^^ we are all for the refs being tough and showing who's boss, but as soon as we step across the chalk it always changes.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
but surely if refs go to both teams before the game and state that they will book people for swearing at the ref, or any type of dissent, then the players have no one to blame except themselves if anything happens.
 
Surely any arguement along the lines of "the ref sent me off for calling him a w**ker, but I called another ref a w**ker the week before and that was ok - all I want is consistency" would be shot down pretty quickly.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Frankie Mac wrote:
but surely if refs go to both teams before the game and state that they will book people for swearing at the ref, or any type of dissent, then the players have no one to blame except themselves if anything happens.
 
Surely any arguement along the lines of "the ref sent me off for calling him a w**ker, but I called another ref a w**ker the week before and that was ok - all I want is consistency" would be shot down pretty quickly.
 
We covered this not so long ago at a ref meeting.
 
The reason for these apparent inconsitencys, is because the law is written "Use offensive, insulting or abusive language" as a red card offence. Obviously since referees, as do people in general, vary from one and another thats where the calls for consistency arise from.
 
We decided asomething along of the lines of any dissent that is directed at the referee (ie using words like you or you're), especially if they include swearing (i'm sure i don't have to give examples) should result in a red card to the offender.
 
The problem with stating you're intention right at the start, is it gives you no leeway based on the 'tempreature' of the match. And then you can make decisions based on what is right at the time, not what you told the teams.
 
 
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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
So cursing at your own mistakes as a player should not be classed as a red card offense?

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Thanks for the double quote Mac
Did you get to the watch the 1st leg of the semi-final?


I love the 'Ref is holier than thou' bullsh*t
Players and Coaches cop sh*t for a bad preformance, why can't the Ref?
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Ard Choille wrote:
Thanks for the double quote Mac
Did you get to the watch the 1st leg of the semi-final?


I love the 'Ref is holier than thou' bullsh*t
Players and Coaches cop sh*t for a bad preformance, why can't the Ref?
 
genuine mistake for the double quote - it is not like your post was any worse than the others so I had no reason to try and give it any special attention.
 
I did not get to see the first leg of the semi final, but I am sure that it was great fun.
 
One of points that I have been trying to make is that players and coaches don't cop sh*t for bad performances, yet referees do.  We will be quite happy if our star player gets the ball 20 times in a game and only loses it 5 times, yet if a referee makes 5 incorrect calls in a game they will get slaughtered.  That is unfair.

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

terrible thread.

most refs are minging. You are hardly going to hug them after they ruin your game.

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patrick478 wrote:
So cursing at your own mistakes as a player should not be classed as a red card offense?
 
The offence is using the language, not who it's aimed at, so technically you could be sent off for cursing at your own mistakes.
 
You would hope that the referee would show a bit of common sense though.
 
 

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Frankie Mac wrote:
One of points that I have been trying to make is that players and coaches don't cop sh*t for bad performances, yet referees do.  We will be quite happy if our star player gets the ball 20 times in a game and only loses it 5 times, yet if a referee makes 5 incorrect calls in a game they will get slaughtered.  That is unfair.

what? yes they do. theres been countless 'bigmac is a donkey' and 'sack ricki's on this forum. if a player f**ks up he'll get slandered just like anyone else who f**ks up.
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Frankie Mac wrote:
Ard Choille wrote:
Thanks for the double quote Mac
Did you get to the watch the 1st leg of the semi-final?


I love the 'Ref is holier than thou' bullsh*t
Players and Coaches cop sh*t for a bad preformance, why can't the Ref?
 
genuine mistake for the double quote - it is not like your post was any worse than the others so I had no reason to try and give it any special attention.
 
I did not get to see the first leg of the semi final, but I am sure that it was great fun.
 
One of points that I have been trying to make is that players and coaches don't cop sh*t for bad performances, yet referees do.  We will be quite happy if our star player gets the ball 20 times in a game and only loses it 5 times, yet if a referee makes 5 incorrect calls in a game they will get slaughtered.  That is unfair.
 
Referees also do not have the right of reply. A coach can stand in the clubrooms and rip a referee a new one in an aftermatch speech and we just have to sit there and take it. Be interesting to see the reaction if the referee got up to speak after a game and gave his opinion on the relative merits of the players and teams involved.
 
I have been told by players 'you can't speak to me like that' a couple of times down the years and my reply has always been 'why not, that's the way you're speaking to me'.
 
Most referees are more than happy to sit down over a beer and explain why they made their decisions. Not justify them, but explain them.
 
Referees make mistakes, so do players and coaches.
 
(p.s. I'm sure I have refereed you, Frankie)

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Surely you would have remembered the hug Jag?
 
I will not encourage any of the 11 yos to hug me (even I have boundaries) but their mothers are very much invited to show their appreciation in the "usual" manner...
 
 

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AJ13 wrote:

Frankie Mac wrote:
One of points that I have been trying to make is that players and coaches don't cop sh*t for bad performances, yet referees do.� We will be quite happy if our star player gets the ball 20 times in a game and only loses it 5 times, yet if a referee makes 5 incorrect calls in a game they will get slaughtered.� That is unfair.
what? yes they do. theres been countless 'bigmac is a donkey' and 'sack ricki's on this forum. if a player f**ks up he'll get slandered just like anyone else who f**ks up.


Not sure you got the gist of Frankie's post - people are all too happy to overlook a few mistakes a player makes in a game -bad passes, or missed chances - but one bad refereeing decision is often talked about as 'ruining the game'.

To give you an example - think back to that Chelsea-Barca semi of couple of years ago. The knives were out for the ref who admitedly made about 3 bad calls in the game (2 against Chelsea, 1 against Barca) and he was vilified for 'knocking Chelsea out', with Drogba infamously screaming 'f**king disgrace' into the camera after the game. Yet what everyone seems to have forgotten (including Drogba) himself, is that Drogba had a 1 on 1 with Valdes from about 6 yards out early in the second half, which Valdes saved. If Drogba had scored there, Chelsea would have gone through. But no that miss had nothing to do with the outcome of the game, it was all the ref's fault. Or so much of the footballing public would have you believe.
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el grapadura wrote:
AJ13 wrote:

Frankie Mac wrote:
One of points that I have been trying to make is that players and coaches don't cop sh*t for bad performances, yet referees do.  We will be quite happy if our star player gets the ball 20 times in a game and only loses it 5 times, yet if a referee makes 5 incorrect calls in a game they will get slaughtered.  That is unfair.
what? yes they do. theres been countless 'bigmac is a donkey' and 'sack ricki's on this forum. if a player f**ks up he'll get slandered just like anyone else who f**ks up.


Not sure you got the gist of Frankie's post - people are all too happy to overlook a few mistakes a player makes in a game -bad passes, or missed chances - but one bad refereeing decision is often talked about as 'ruining the game'.

To give you an example - think back to that Chelsea-Barca semi of couple of years ago. The knives were out for the ref who admitedly made about 3 bad calls in the game (2 against Chelsea, 1 against Barca) and he was vilified for 'knocking Chelsea out', with Drogba infamously screaming 'f**king disgrace' into the camera after the game. Yet what everyone seems to have forgotten (including Drogba) himself, is that Drogba had a 1 on 1 with Valdes from about 6 yards out early in the second half, which Valdes saved. If Drogba had scored there, Chelsea would have gone through. But no that miss had nothing to do with the outcome of the game, it was all the ref's fault. Or so much of the footballing public would have you believe.


I thought we were talking about people giving refs sh*t for the sake of giving them sh*t? That ref deserved all he got in my opinion. Just like the ref who sent of RVP in the last Barca CL match. I wouldve raged like never before if i were an Orse fan.

Basically this is how i see it... i dont condone ripping into refs for EVERY call they make like some people do. BUT if a ref cocks up im going to naturally be a bit angry. I have played under some fantastic refs, but about 10% are just idiots with no idea.
AJ132011-03-23 11:29:10
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AJ13 wrote:
   <Snip>  That ref deserved all he got in my opinion. <snip>
 
 
..and that small sentence demonstrates, in a nutshell, Ladies & Gentlemen, why things aren't going to change

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
How about refs id the hot heads in the teams and give thema pre-match hug? 
 
AJ13 you'd be up for that wouldn't you?
 

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AJ13 wrote:




el grapadura wrote:
AJ13 wrote:

Frankie Mac wrote:
One of points that I have been trying to make is that players and coaches don't cop sh*t for bad performances, yet referees do.� We will be quite happy if our star player gets the ball 20 times in a game and only loses it 5 times, yet if a referee makes 5 incorrect calls in a game they will get slaughtered.� That is unfair.
what? yes they do. theres been countless 'bigmac is a donkey' and 'sack ricki's on this forum. if a player f**ks up he'll get slandered just like anyone else who f**ks up.


Not sure you got the gist of Frankie's post - people are all too happy to overlook a few mistakes a player makes in a game -bad passes, or missed chances - but one bad refereeing decision is often talked about as 'ruining the game'.

To give you an example - think back to that Chelsea-Barca semi of couple of years ago. The knives were out for the ref who admitedly made about 3 bad calls in the game (2 against Chelsea, 1 against Barca) and he was vilified for 'knocking Chelsea out', with Drogba infamously screaming 'f**king disgrace' into the camera after the game. Yet what everyone seems to have forgotten (including Drogba) himself, is that Drogba had a 1 on 1 with Valdes from about 6 yards out early in the second half, which Valdes saved. If Drogba had scored there, Chelsea would have gone through. But no that miss had nothing to do with the outcome of the game, it was all the ref's fault. Or so much of the footballing public would have you believe.
I thought we were talking about people giving refs sh*t for the sake of giving them sh*t? That ref deserved all he got in my opinion. Just like the ref who sent of RVP in the last Barca CL match. I wouldve raged like never before if i were an Orse fan.Basically this is how i see it... i dont condone ripping into refs for
EVERY call they make like some people do. BUT if a ref cocks up im
going to naturally be a bit angry. I have played under some fantastic refs, but about 10% are just idiots with no idea.


And this is the problem imo - referees are easy targets to justify team's lack of success in a game. So it's the ref's fault for sending van Persie (within the laws of the game, btw, although too harsh in the context), but not the team's fault for being the first team ever in Champions League not to have a single attempt at goal in 90 minutes of football.
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el grapadura wrote:
And this is the problem imo - referees are easy targets to justify team's lack of success in a game. So it's the ref's fault for sending van Persie (within the laws of the game, btw, although too harsh in the context), but not the team's fault for being the first team ever in Champions League not to have a single attempt at goal in 90 minutes of football.

Where did i say its the refs fault for Arsenals lack of success? I said the ref made a dodgy call which i think most refs wouldve let go, given the circumstances. Whether or not that changed the context of the game to me is irrelevant. Even if Arsenal won it was still a bullsh*t call.
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Which brings us back to Frankie's point - why focus on one ref's mistake, and not on the actions of the players during the 90 minutes of the game?
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AJ13 wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
And this is the problem imo - referees are easy targets to justify team's lack of success in a game. So it's the ref's fault for sending van Persie (within the laws of the game, btw, although too harsh in the context), but not the team's fault for being the first team ever in Champions League not to have a single attempt at goal in 90 minutes of football.

Where did i say its the refs fault for Arsenals lack of success? I said the ref made a dodgy call which i think most refs wouldve let go, given the circumstances. Whether or not that changed the context of the game to me is irrelevant. Even if Arsenal won it was still a bullsh*t call.
 
What, exactly, were the circumstances?
 
Explain why, in terms of the Laws of The Game, was it a bullsh*t call?

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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el grapadura wrote:
Which brings us back to Frankie's point - why focus on one ref's mistake, and not on the actions of the players during the 90 minutes of the game?[/QUOTE]
I dont know as i dont understand that either. A good team should be able to win despite the ref.

Jag wrote:
AJ13 wrote:
[QUOTE=el grapadura]And this is the problem imo - referees are easy targets to justify team's lack of success in a game. So it's the ref's fault for sending van Persie (within the laws of the game, btw, although too harsh in the context), but not the team's fault for being the first team ever in Champions League not to have a single attempt at goal in 90 minutes of football.

Where did i say its the refs fault for Arsenals lack of success? I said the ref made a dodgy call which i think most refs wouldve let go, given the circumstances. Whether or not that changed the context of the game to me is irrelevant. Even if Arsenal won it was still a bullsh*t call.
 
What, exactly, were the circumstances?
 
Explain why, in terms of the Laws of The Game, was it a bullsh*t call?

The fact he kicked the ball on goal 1.1 seconds after the whistle went. Its not like he riffled it into the crowd in anger. And 95,000 fans. But youre right, it was a legal decision. You could send someone off for saying dick or bumb if you interpreted that to be swearing because thats how loose some of the rules are. It comes down to common sense and using your own judgement. Theres no time frame for how long is too long after the whistle goes before kicking the ball away, just like theres no official list of FIFA swears that arent allowed to be used. As a player i wouldve just expected a goal kick to be given and get on with the game.
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el grapadura wrote:
Which brings us back to Frankie's point - why focus on one ref's mistake, and not on the actions of the players during the 90 minutes of the game?


Its easier to pick out 1 or 2 mistakes from the Ref than the many stupid things players do on the pitch.
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It kind of staggers me (and saddens me) that people can look at something like this in an unemotive way, and somehow still believe that refs getting bollocked is acceptable.
 
It is very unlikely that things will change in our lifetime, but I would have hoped that people would at least be in agreement that things should change.  Maybe in the grand scheme of things Jag's problems on a football field does not amount to a hill of beans, but this is our hill and these are our beans.

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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Actually, I haven't had too many problems during my refereeing career. Maybe lucky I guess.

Couldn't agree more with your thoughts though. Keep fighting the good fight, Frankie

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Frankie Mac wrote:
It kind of staggers me (and saddens me) that people can look at something like this in an unemotive way, and somehow still believe that refs getting bollocked is acceptable.


The way i see it. Refs should be open to criticism for mistakes made on the pitch. Allow them to explain their reasons behind their actions.
BUT they shouldn't be open to abuse or defend their actions.

A please explain and then move on :D
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Ard Choille wrote:
The way i see it. Refs should be open to criticism for mistakes made on the pitch [/QUOTE]
No they shouldn't.
 
[QUOTE=Ard Choille] Allow them to explain their reasons behind their actions. 
 
but they explain their decision by making it.  When they award a throw in, they are saying that they believe that one team touched the ball last before it went out of play.  When they award a free kick they are explaining that they believe a foul has been committed.
 
No further explanation is required.

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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Frankie Mac wrote:
It kind of staggers me (and saddens me) that people can look at something like this in an unemotive way, and somehow still believe that refs getting bollocked is acceptable.
 
It is very unlikely that things will change in our lifetime, but I would have hoped that people would at least be in agreement that things should change.  Maybe in the grand scheme of things Jag's problems on a football field does not amount to a hill of beans, but this is our hill and these are our beans.

This isnt a perfect world. No ref is 100% perfect. Another example was O'Leary's sending off of Travis Dodd in Chch... terrible decesion. And then theres the whole YF chant everytime a ref goes against us ... funny that.

I just dont get it. Ive seen MORE angst on this forum towards players than i have seen towards refs anyway. Ive played in far more games where players have been criticised more than refs have been.  As sad as it may be to some its grown to be a part of football and i cant see anything changing, as long as players like Van Persie or managers like Sir Alex continue to publicly state on live TV that refs are to blame for the results of games then nothings going to change.

Its silly to ask why refs should cop more and not players... the role of the ref is entirely different to the role of a player. Apples and oranges.
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Frankie Mac wrote:
Ard Choille wrote:
The way i see it. Refs should be open to criticism for mistakes made on the pitch

No they shouldn't.
yes they should

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Feverish wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:

Ard Choille wrote:
The way i see it. Refs should be open to criticism for mistakes made on the pitch

No they shouldn't.


yes they should

No they shouldn't.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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patrick478 wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:

Ard Choille wrote:
The way i see it. Refs should be open to criticism for mistakes made on the pitch

No they shouldn't.


yes they should

No they shouldn't.
brown noser

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as a fan the one thing I hate in all sports is that the refs never seem to to openly reprimanded for their errors/poor decisions. If sports took a more open approach to errors made then I think the angst would drop.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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