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TopLeft07 wrote:
Feverish wrote:
TopLeft07 wrote:
Feverish wrote:

The blame for these matters where they have fked up work lies with the officers � not so much the councillors. The contractor who did KP should be hauled over the coals.

I've talked to the contractors who did the work there and they say it was poorly designed (NZ Sports Turf Institute) and there was nothing they could do to prevent the problems that resulted from it. They were merely employed to build exactly what was designed. I don't know what NZSPTI's answer to that is but they'd probably point the finger strait back tbh.
yarn - they left the dirt in a pile for friggin months
ha ha! so the whole problem at KP stems from a pile of dirt being left there for months? sorry but I think there is a little bit more to it than that.
not really no. They might as well have laid concrete. Like what then?
PM me if ya want as this is quite dull for mostFeverish2010-10-06 16:42:33

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JohnMorrison wrote:
Great to hear from you Park Life ---- I seem to remember a very complimentary piece from you last year.
(By the way, why do you people all hide behind these funny names, is it some sort of secret seven or famous five type set up with secret handshakes etc)
 
Nairnville Park --- 3/4 size --- WCC two thirds NZCT 1/3  Approx
Te Whaea --- WCC -- 100%-- $1.5m  (important point --- its there!)
Two at Wakefield Park --- WCC 2/3 ---- sponsorship 1/3
User Pays ---- at the moment Capital football picks up the payments and they or the clubs may continue to do that. Estimated payment over and above current set up will be around $2 -- $4 per player per game. (We asked an awful lot of stakeholders in both codes whether if given the option they'd prefer to pay $2-$4 per head and play or pay nothing and not play--- I'm sure you know the answer). No its not the extra private sector money or whatever it was you heard.
The chatter about schools is very straightforward --- John Dow and myself have had considerable discussion with both Wellington College and St Pats College. In both cases both parties (WCC and School) are looking at a joint deal, probably 50/50 but thats not set in stone. Obvious advantages are --- it halves the price for both parties instead of $1.5m each it's $750,000 each. So it makes it far more achievable for  both parties in terms of getting over the line. Resource consents and other compliance matters are easier within school grounds. Because you can get so many hours from these (Nairnville and Te Whaea were doing up to 60 hours per week) each party can see themselves getting a very adequate go. The schools are happy for outsiders to access these as long as they come in under a Club, Assoc or Union banner as it were.They will both be full size with lights and for football, rugby and rugby league. From our point of view we should also be happy that the kids in the school are our kids (Wellington) anyway.
Fundraising for these --- interesting point Park Life --- I think we've been able to look at an opportunity of halving our costs and achieving 50% of two artificials that we had 0% of before.
Adding to our sportsfields portfolio which as many of your colleagues have pointed out is desperately needed.
I have also been involved in speaking with some potential funders who may well assist one or both parties get this over the line.
Both schools and WCC have expressed a commitment to continue the discussions/negotiations to get these underway as soon as possible.
If you call all that shameless self promotion then I suppose I'm guilty.
Best Wishes
John M
 
 
Good to hear from you too John, I seem to remember you knocked me out of the park (to use a metaphor from a stick and ball game I don't really like) with your reply.  All very entertaining, although some were quite put out if I recall.
 
To answer your question, it is absolutely a secret seven/famous five type arrangement.  Feverish and I have a secret handshake and we're in the process of debating whether or not to let Hard News use it.  He probably is too fat as it's quite an acrobatic move.
 
But I digress.
 
Thanks for the clarity around who paid for what so far.
 
A few more q's if that's okay...
 
Are you saying there will definitely be two pitches going in at Wakefield?  That's awesome if so and undeniable progress over and above existing plans, if you take my drift.  Also great news about the two schools.  Both in desperate need.  Happy days.
 
If I can jump back to the user pays thing though - at the moment Te Whaea is $60/hour to hire.  Are you saying the new turfs are going to be $60/hour plus $2-4 dollars per player?  I think this is an important question.  Not that I'm saying user pays is necessarily wrong, just wondering.
 
Think that is all.
 
By the way, I think you're in the business of shameless self-promotion.  In fact I think we're helping.
 
PL.
 
 
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Good on you for fronting up in here John.
 
Now, Where's all the compliants about Hutt City Councils total in action in building any artificals so far? Many players/clubs are based in that part of Wellington and there's been plenty of moans about the grounds in the Hutt.
 Why are'nt Wellington ratepayers asking for Hutt City to stump up with some cash and build grounds our are you all happy to carry the burden alone?
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Back from another riveting Council Meeting! --- if things turn to custard on Saturday night I'll drop you guys a line from my new job in the Chathams.
User pays for new artificials? the short end of it is we are looking at $100 per hour increased from $60 per hour -- so as you can see that's an increase of $40 per hour. We will give Football and rugby etc the chance to discuss this in the new year as we are bound to "consult".
If we are going to tap into a fair amount of Council money to front up with these artificials we've got to soften the blow a little for the doubters and the opposers to get everything over the line --- anyone who experienced the Council meeting last week will be aware we waded our way through alot of opposition --- a two and a half hour debate. Ultimately the 13-2 vote did not tell the true story. A number of Councillors tried to bury the proposal by challenging the process in an endeavour to get it thrown out. Once they didn't succeed with throwing the paper out they then voted for it to save their own skin but believe me some of them did not like it --- but it's the old story boys as youshould well  know, if you grab someone by the proverbials --- the heart and the mind will inevitably follow.
One or two at Wakefield? --- we have voted one definitely and voted another one definitely on condition we have $500,000 outside money to support it. I can assure you we have that in commitments but haven't got all the details signed and sealed --- I expect that to happen over the next 2--3 weeks.
The schools thing--- what was voted was to endorse the negotiations and approve of them continuing; the schools have done the same in that both boards of Trustees have given it their blessing and encouragement to continue hopefully to a successful conclusion in the near future. 
This is all subject a bit of course to re election. if some of you clowns haven't voted the right way you may well find yourself joining a basket weaving or bead threading club in the next few months.
Shameless self promotion that's what its all about!
Best Wishes
John M
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I can't really help with anything in the Hutt Valley, we have absolutely no say at all what any other Council does or doesn't do.
Cheers
John M
 
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JohnMorrison wrote:
Great to hear from you Park Life ---- I seem to remember a very complimentary piece from you last year.
(By the way, why do you people all hide behind these funny names, is it some sort of secret seven or famous five type set up with secret handshakes etc)

Some people hide behind their computers, others hide behind their mustaches.
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JohnMorrison wrote:
if some of you clowns haven't voted the right way you may well find yourself joining a basket weaving or bead threading club in the next few months.
Shameless self promotion that's what its all about!
Best Wishes
John M
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That is a quote worthy of Park Life.
 
 
 
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sorting out user charges for CF games = difficult

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John, from your point about costing. Is the whole user charges thing a bit of a red herring? What is happening is that the cost of use is going to increase from what it is at Te Whaea? Will this charge at Wakefield also be charged now at Te Whaea?
 
Rather than talking about some system which creates an image of someone standing there with a bucket as people run out.

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I feel a bit more comfortable about the process now John, thanks for coming on here and explaining......now about that stupid overpass idea near the Basin

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Feverish wrote:
sorting out user charges for CF games = difficult
 
care to explain why you are against user charges? is that a club hat or a personal one?
 
im all for clubs/cf incorporatingthe user charges in subs if
 
1) teams and grades all get a fair go on the pitches
2) If clubs want to claim artificals as there home turf then naturally their user charge/subs should be more that "away" teams
3) Have someone employed to collect money from teams before games.
 
If guaranteeing a game every weeks means paying an extra 2 bucks a game so be it, people all over the world do it for road tolls so can't see why it couldn't work for pitches.
 
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Feverish wrote:
sorting out user charges for CF games = difficult
 
care to explain why you are against user charges? is that a club hat or a personal one?
 
im all for clubs/cf incorporatingthe user charges in subs if
 
1) teams and grades all get a fair go on the pitches
2) If clubs want to claim artificals as there home turf then naturally their user charge/subs should be more that "away" teams
3) Have someone employed to collect money from teams before games.
 
If guaranteeing a game every weeks means paying an extra 2 bucks a game so be it, people all over the world do it for road tolls so can't see why it couldn't work for pitches.
 
club one
 
well you have raised of the points. End of the day there is either
-an increase in CF subs to all clubs
-an increase in CF subs to some clubs
-clubs charged for their teams usage
-some geezer with a hat bullying money out of people.
 
I'm pretty much against all those ideas.
Get money out of football players is farken hard
 

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User Charges --- no one is going to stand at an artificial with a bucket and demand money.
The whole user charges thing has grown out of all proportions in this debate and the establishment of these artificials is not dependent on them --- they are just one of the issues we need to get right to be fair to all parties. The user charges will be uniform across all artificials and we imagine coming to an arrangement with Capital Football and/or Clubs to collect them.
The short end of it is paying for the use of the artificials is no different to paying to go into a swimming pool or library etc.
Nothing is for nothing these days --- if the user doesn't pay the ratepayer does or some other party does, simple as that. If football or footballers won't pay a very small percentage of the costs, well we'd soon realise that we were on to a loser and it would be very hard to encourage someone else to pay 100%to build more artificials for footballers or rugby players.
I know some of you have discussed the location of these artificials and the benefit to the clubs close by --- we reiterate that we don't see the artificials being for any club but rather a facility that is available equally to all clubs or potential users --- we certainly don't want to send the message that you should transfer to this club or that because they have an artificial going in close by.
Also we are very confident the next step in this project is to address the issue of ensuring each area (north, south, east, west) has access to an artificial locally.
Again in the spirit of shameless self promotion.
Cheers
John M
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Mr J Morrison, "user pays" sounds like Rogernomics and anti-egalitarian and also anti-working class. As you know, football is a game mainly for working clas and as such, it should be free or next to free! You know soccer is the most global sport and as such, it desreves special and royal treatment and all facilities should be provdied so our little johnies and jennies can enjoy the sport at others expense! "There is no free lunch" is abhorent and definitely foreign to many of the people and this deep seated mentality has been with us for yonks. We live in the Wonderland of Alice and soccer people are no different. They are mostly vocal and mostly united and that stems form the nature of the sport and the socio-economic backgrounds they come from. Cross subsidisation and expectation of freebies are rampant event in soccer. Recently I read that even there is a move to ask all, kids included, to pay a levy to keep the team wellington aive and this is no different from kids up and down the country been tiold to pay over $10 per player to keep nz football aloft. Best of luck for your endeavour in WCC and you need to spearhead a massive re-education campaign for a paradigm shift in sports people. Youmay need to have more turfs for oval codes as well.
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Football is a game mainly for working class?

Where's that ignore button...

Fuck this stupid game

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Football is a gentleman's game played by thugs.

Rugby is a thug's game played by gentlemen.
 
If not working class, may be "blue collar" mentality where so little respect is displayed. Anger, abuse, demeaning behaviour, disrespect are commonplace across the football games in nz. In rugby, players address umpires as "Sir", in soccer, referees are treated like sh*t. Prove us wrong, u bottom right.
 
This blue collar mentality may help to explain why soccer people want facilities to be proivded free.
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AngusBeef wrote:

Football is a gentleman's game played by thugs.

Rugby is a thug's game played by gentlemen.
And AFL is a thugs game played by thugs!
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As long as our user charge contribution is similar in scale to those paid by users of libraries, pools etc then we cant complain too much. But let's avoid a situation in which the desperate nature of our situation becomes the rationale for expecting a higher user charge contribution.

Football might have been the game of the working classes in England during the industrial revolution, but now its just a game played by all sorts all over the show. Karori and Khandallah are football strongholds, yet hardly the the suburbs of the Kiwi batter.Marius Lacatus2010-10-08 14:40:47
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what's the cost of an overdue library book?

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AngusBeef wrote:

Football is a gentleman's game played by thugs.

Rugby is a thug's game played by gentlemen.
 
 
 
Nothing like a quote from the 1950's to keep things relevant

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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Karori and Khandallah are football strongholds, yet hardly the the suburbs of the Kiwi batter.
 

A dog with a bone :)

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Well it's either Kerry or Celia WB at this point..
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Celia Wade Brown gets in by 176 votes

Will be interesting to see how this changes things
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go back to P1 of this thread where I posted a quote from her. It all read very sensibly - I have no worries personally.
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Wade Brown has taken a supportive position on artificials and has consistently voted in favour of advancing funding.
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she's a greenie isnt she? doesnt that mean she would be more into football pitches than property development?
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Greens are indeed more likely to support sport and healthy lifestyles.  The problem is that the council is again very mixed politically and it is difficult to see a majority for a strategic approach.....
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Orpewise wrote:
Greens are indeed more likely to support sport and healthy lifestyles.  The problem is that the council is again very mixed politically and it is difficult to see a majority for a strategic approach.....
not sure i understand/agree with what you are saything there

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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
maybe divert the NZF/FIFA money going towards  English Pk to a Wgtn turf for the meantime?

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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
too soon greenie, far too soon

Normo's coming home

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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
How is Wakefield Park coming along? Any idea when it will be ready to play games on?
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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
number 1 is covered in stones, and the otherside is fu**ed.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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theprof wrote:
number 1 is covered in stones, and the otherside is fu**ed.
 
No different to usual then.
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number 1 ground is probably flatter than it has ever been

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Went pass W park today and to be honest I believe that the contractors are away ahead of schedule due to the good weather....Lets hope that the finsih the project well ahead of time...!!!

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theprof wrote:
number 1 is covered in stones, and the otherside is fu**ed.
The 'stones' are what they lay the surface over.

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I had figured that much bop......question are they making only one side an artificial or are both getting the first class treatment?

Queenslander 3x a year.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1104/S00563/new-turfs-for-the-north-well-deserved.htm

nothing on WCC websie though!

nzyido2011-04-25 09:19:56
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nzyido wrote:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1104/S00563/new-turfs-for-the-north-well-deserved.htm

nothing on WCC websie though!

Tawa should be part of Porirua council

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Went past wakefield on Saturday and the footy markings are now painted on the turf pitch outside Island Bays club rooms.

A dog with a bone :)

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