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Bit lost with your maths Bruce. Maybe I've missed something??

The report/survey says “Thirty-four per cent of Australians are football fans and 36 per cent of those fans identify as avid A-League fans,” 

24.1M @ 34% = 8.2M Australian football fans (does seem a lot!)

8.2M @ 36% = 2.9M Australians who identify as A League fans

The big issue for Australian football being that only 36% of Australian football fans, follow the A League. Presumably the other 64% are all 'Euro football' snobs??

As we all know unlike the other winter codes (League, Union & AFL) you ain't watching the world's best, downunder. Far from it. So ain't fair to compare fan engagement with the A League, to the other codes.

Good long term signs though that A League supporter base is strongest, with the young demographic. 

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coochiee wrote:

Bit lost with your maths Bruce. Maybe I've missed something??

The report/survey says “Thirty-four per cent of Australians are football fans and 36 per cent of those fans identify as avid A-League fans,” 

24.1M @ 34% = 8.2M Australian football fans (does seem a lot!)

8.2M @ 36% = 2.9M Australians who identify as A League fans

The big issue for Australian football being that only 36% of Australian football fans, follow the A League. Presumably the other 64% are all 'Euro football' snobs??

As we all know unlike the other winter codes (League, Union & AFL) you ain't watching the world's best, downunder. Far from it. So ain't fair to compare fan engagement with the A League, to the other codes.

Good long term signs though that A League supporter base is strongest, with the young demographic. 

Not my maths - But Inside Football Forum posters. As with any Fax you spin to suit your argument
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Australia’s popn is 24.1M not 1.5M

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theprof wrote:

one of the big issues in the NZ market is the media, very ruby focussed and very anti football in any format.

On the Aussie side of the ditch there are a lot of “non traditional” media with decent eyeball and numbers; from podcasts to live streaming of NPL games, Twitter, community radio and of course forums. This is the future and I’m surprised there are not more emanating from NZ - though this requires passion to drive it (YF a great example). A second A league team out of Auckland might be the springboard for this.

Old media (prime time tv and online/print newspaper mastheads) still totally dominated by Aussie rules, league, cricket and horse racing; all of which have far deeper and wider political and media clout. Football is a long way behind in this respect (eg government funding way lower even though it’s the biggest participation team sport). Rugby’s entrenchment in older NZ society is mirrored by older media ownership, but younger basketball and football fans will eventually make some inroads vis demographic weight of numbers. In the short-medium term I think NZ old media will only consistently cover more football stories when a) nix do well; b) Nix plays smarter media games (we should be seeking help from Lawrie McKinna/Tony Pignata, who go great jobs for their clubs); c) Auk enter A league.

PS Shout out to the football media who do their best to fly the flag. You know who you are. It’s tough when NZF is a key stakeholder. 

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Not just football that gets a poor showing in NZ media. Big games for league on in NZ at the moment, not a mention in the media

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Blew.2 wrote:

From Midfeilder - FTBL Forum

Just some maths...


34 % of 1.5 million is 510K

36% of 510K is 184K are connected to Hal ...

184 K as a percentage of 1.5 million is 12.25%.

Meaning we have 12.25% of those connected and activity taking part connected to Hal... some years ago this figure was 18%.... in League, Rugby, AFL the conversation rate has an average of 86%.

So we have a sport with, 510 K active follows of which only 184 K, watch Hal and another 990K who are involved but we can't get them interested in Hal.

Meaning we have 326 K [510-184] low hanging fruit, and another 990 K to work with...

Anyone with half a brain would invest in this as the blue sky possibilities and massive....

I have often gone on about behavioural science and creating small changes will have a mega impact.

To things for me stand out like dogs balls, first is the lack of connection between the professional game and the player base, and second the media in general... I will use Newcastle as my example of what happens with a supportive media, Football in Newcastle is huge and has equal respect with league...

The interesting thing is why is Newcastle so different, essentially the Football media in Newcastle by and large are both positive about Football and Australian Football and main stream media outlets are equally supporting of Football...

Everywhere else the game lacks both promotion and positiveity and its always been that way.... no broadcaster be it 10 or the ABC today co-promotes Football... SBS tried but kept finding fault everywhere and the problems and issues over rode the good.... whereas in Newcastle they acknowledged the issues but constantly and often presented the good...

Whether its leadership, vision , or uniting, or whatever ... if we can crack the riddle of connecting to the player base we will be the biggest code by far...

Back to the article... if we get a broadcaster who promotes Football with Football people in management ... I would be over the moon 

Thanks for posting….

This is somewhat boring and based on behavioural science case studies. 

What creates a movement, a new idea etc, is often simply usage and being seen.

The business world is full of examples of changing trends and often these changing trends reflect changing of long-established traditional methods to the new.

Two examples I will give are first what young people drink, 30 years ago most 30-year old’s in Australia drank VB or similar brand. Today you would be lucky to find a 30-year-old who drank VB or similar brand.

My next example is TV, there are many reports than the under 35 hardly ever watch TV.

What is clear is there is growing generational gap between life style choices between say the under 40 and the over 50. With those in the 35 to 50 age brackets mixed in their choices.

So how does all this effect Football.

What behavioural scientist, will tell you is there is a rapid pick up once a kinda cross over or tipping point is reached.

With say 12% of the playing base having and interest in Hal, then the group dynamics in most teams would be low.

An example assumes a team has 15 players and using the above 12% as the base. 15 players @ 12% is 1.8 so let’s say its 2 players out of 15.

2 players in 15 talking about Hal would not generate much interest from the group, and may actually discourage discussion.

However, if that number was 4 players, then discussion of Hal would be more and maybe seen as the new boys on the block with the cool knowledge. 5 players would be enough to get the team starting to talk about Hal.

Discussion and interest normally lead’s to viewing and with this demographic streaming would be much smarter.

To me it’s beyond obvious the answer lies with connecting to the player base and to do that needs connecting to the regional associations and thu the associations to the local park clubs.

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Blew.2 wrote:

Don't worry as per his WUFC update MR has it under control as he need to sign a contract extension for Diamonti?
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When do the NIX get their extension, or have I missed it?

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MetalLegNZ wrote:

When do the NIX get their extension, or have I missed it?

They don't need one

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but have we got any firm of written guarantee?

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WElnix have a % of the A-league Pot. No licences required. this year it's 1/11 next year it 1/12.

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INDEPENDENCE DAY

If you’re expecting the A-League to be split off from FFA’s ultimate control anytime soon, you’re in for a shock – it’s now three-and-a-half years away.

The formal, legal separation has been put off until the end of the current broadcast agreement, to ensure there is no contractual uncertainty that could make deals with broadcasters and sponsors null and void.

There are also tax implications to be worked through as the A-League moves out from under of the skirts of the FFA as a not-for-profit entity.

Instead, an agreement is being finalised whereby the FFA will effectively license a management company to run the league for the next three and a half years, and that will be run by the clubs – who are effectively calling the shots already anyway.

It does mean, though, that any major changes will need approval from FFA – or “ratification” as those designing the model prefer to call it.

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Blew.2 wrote:


INDEPENDENCE DAY

If you’re expecting the A-League to be split off from FFA’s ultimate control anytime soon, you’re in for a shock – it’s now three-and-a-half years away.

The formal, legal separation has been put off until the end of the current broadcast agreement, to ensure there is no contractual uncertainty that could make deals with broadcasters and sponsors null and void.

There are also tax implications to be worked through as the A-League moves out from under of the skirts of the FFA as a not-for-profit entity.

Instead, an agreement is being finalised whereby the FFA will effectively license a management company to run the league for the next three and a half years, and that will be run by the clubs – who are effectively calling the shots already anyway.

It does mean, though, that any major changes will need approval from FFA – or “ratification” as those designing the model prefer to call it.

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Since WP can sign Kiwi and Aussie players visa free, but Australian clubs can only sign Aussies visa free, do Aussies feel disadvantaged?

Do they see that as a good thing in that less Kiwis take up spots, leaving more slots for Aussies?

Or do they see it as a handicap in that some of the top end Kiwis would be a better option than mid or bottom end Aussies, but not as good as Visa players they might get from elsewhere?

In other words, is the average Aussie, or average Aussie A-League club, more concerned about local player development and opportunity, or more concerned about how well they do in the league? Or how well the league is from a football quality -and hence investment opportunity- perspective 

Fundamentally, would the Independant A-League want to change the rules on that in the interest of growing the league across both Aus and NZ? because lets face it, without 3 or 4 teams from NZ having a seconfpd div is going to spread the talent pool very thin, with corresponding drop in quality.

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ClubOranje wrote:

Since WP can sign Kiwi and Aussie players visa free, but Australian clubs can only sign Aussies visa free, do Aussies feel disadvantaged?  

THE FANS DON'T

Do they see that as a good thing in that less Kiwis take up spots, leaving more slots for Aussies?

THE FANS DO

Or do they see it as a handicap in that some of the top end Kiwis would be a better option than mid or bottom end Aussies, but not as good as Visa players they might get from elsewhere?

THE FANS DON'T

In other words, is the average Aussie, or average Aussie A-League club, more concerned about local player development and opportunity, or more concerned about how well they do in the league? Or how well the league is from a football quality -and hence investment opportunity- perspective 

THE FANS ARE

Fundamentally, would the Independant A-League want to change the rules on that in the interest of growing the league across both Aus and NZ? because lets face it, without 3 or 4 teams from NZ having a seconfpd div is going to spread the talent pool very thin, with corresponding drop in quality.

THE FEDERATIONs DON'T WANT KIWI's on non visa

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Football Federation Australia (FFA) today announced the appointment of Tom Rischbieth to the role of General Manager Commercial for the Leagues (Hyundai A-League, Westfield W-League, Foxtel Y-League and E-League).

The role is a critical part of the professional Leagues strategy to increase its revenues as the game continues to grow and expand into new local and overseas markets. Rischbieth will be responsible for the commercialisation of Leagues.

Born and bred in Adelaide, Rischbieth joins the organisation after 6 years with the UK-Based company “Sports Rights Management" where he has been focused on creating and executing strategies to deliver new revenue for rightsholders across sport and entertainment.

https://www.ffa.com.au/news/ffa-appoints-tom-rischbieth-new-gm-commercial-leagues

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Blew.2 wrote:

ClubOranje wrote:

Since WP can sign Kiwi and Aussie players visa free, but Australian clubs can only sign Aussies visa free, do Aussies feel disadvantaged?  

THE FANS DON'T

Do they see that as a good thing in that less Kiwis take up spots, leaving more slots for Aussies?

THE FANS DO

Or do they see it as a handicap in that some of the top end Kiwis would be a better option than mid or bottom end Aussies, but not as good as Visa players they might get from elsewhere?

THE FANS DON'T

In other words, is the average Aussie, or average Aussie A-League club, more concerned about local player development and opportunity, or more concerned about how well they do in the league? Or how well the league is from a football quality -and hence investment opportunity- perspective 

THE FANS ARE

Fundamentally, would the Independant A-League want to change the rules on that in the interest of growing the league across both Aus and NZ? because lets face it, without 3 or 4 teams from NZ having a seconfpd div is going to spread the talent pool very thin, with corresponding drop in quality.

THE FEDERATIONs DON'T WANT KIWI's on non visa

Interesting the final point as early on in the A League kiwis were treated as local players.  They should be again as I really don’t see enough talent in Aus for the planned expansion unless teams from CHC and AKL are included over sides from Aus.

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Marto wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

ClubOranje wrote:

Since WP can sign Kiwi and Aussie players visa free, but Australian clubs can only sign Aussies visa free, do Aussies feel disadvantaged?  

THE FANS DON'T

Do they see that as a good thing in that less Kiwis take up spots, leaving more slots for Aussies?

THE FANS DO

Or do they see it as a handicap in that some of the top end Kiwis would be a better option than mid or bottom end Aussies, but not as good as Visa players they might get from elsewhere?

THE FANS DON'T

In other words, is the average Aussie, or average Aussie A-League club, more concerned about local player development and opportunity, or more concerned about how well they do in the league? Or how well the league is from a football quality -and hence investment opportunity- perspective 

THE FANS ARE

Fundamentally, would the Independant A-League want to change the rules on that in the interest of growing the league across both Aus and NZ? because lets face it, without 3 or 4 teams from NZ having a seconfpd div is going to spread the talent pool very thin, with corresponding drop in quality.

THE FEDERATIONs DON'T WANT KIWI's on non visa

Interesting the final point as early on in the A League kiwis were treated as local players.  They should be again as I really don’t see enough talent in Aus for the planned expansion unless teams from CHC and AKL are included over sides from Aus.

Australian teams will never go for it due to ACL rules.

While the A-League has 5 import slots, the ACL has 3+1 (the one being an import from an Asian country). Even if Kiwis didn't count as import for A-League purposes, they would for ACL purposes and you end up having to leave 2 players out of ACL squads instead of 1, which they'll never go for - requires greater squad depth etc.

The chat about how to get around AFC stuff and mergers has been done to death, but I think we'll need something along those lines before we see Kiwis as non-imports again.

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Nelfoos wrote:

Marto wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

ClubOranje wrote:

Since WP can sign Kiwi and Aussie players visa free, but Australian clubs can only sign Aussies visa free, do Aussies feel disadvantaged?  

THE FANS DON'T

Do they see that as a good thing in that less Kiwis take up spots, leaving more slots for Aussies?

THE FANS DO

Or do they see it as a handicap in that some of the top end Kiwis would be a better option than mid or bottom end Aussies, but not as good as Visa players they might get from elsewhere?

THE FANS DON'T

In other words, is the average Aussie, or average Aussie A-League club, more concerned about local player development and opportunity, or more concerned about how well they do in the league? Or how well the league is from a football quality -and hence investment opportunity- perspective 

THE FANS ARE

Fundamentally, would the Independant A-League want to change the rules on that in the interest of growing the league across both Aus and NZ? because lets face it, without 3 or 4 teams from NZ having a seconfpd div is going to spread the talent pool very thin, with corresponding drop in quality.

THE FEDERATIONs DON'T WANT KIWI's on non visa

Interesting the final point as early on in the A League kiwis were treated as local players.  They should be again as I really don’t see enough talent in Aus for the planned expansion unless teams from CHC and AKL are included over sides from Aus.

Australian teams will never go for it due to ACL rules.

While the A-League has 5 import slots, the ACL has 3+1 (the one being an import from an Asian country). Even if Kiwis didn't count as import for A-League purposes, they would for ACL purposes and you end up having to leave 2 players out of ACL squads instead of 1, which they'll never go for - requires greater squad depth etc.

The chat about how to get around AFC stuff and mergers has been done to death, but I think we'll need something along those lines before we see Kiwis as non-imports again.

Thanks for that, well explained.

So when is someone Australian enough?

Need the passport/Citizenship? Born there but hold a different passport (per the 2 aussie lads in NZU17s)? Parents are Australian but born elsewhere and hold a different passport? Eligible to play for Australia? What if dual citizenship but not eligible to play for Aus due to having played for another country?

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I think you're Australian enough when you hold a valid Australian passport - even if you've never lived in the country.

Plenty of South Americans playing in Europe as domestic players have a passport due to their grand parents (or similar) without speaking the language or having spent a single day in the country.

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I think you're Australian enough when you hold a valid Australian passport - even if you've never lived in the country.

Plenty of South Americans playing in Europe as domestic players have a passport due to their grand parents (or similar) without speaking the language or having spent a single day in the country.

Yeah, no doubt, but that's the point; do you need the passport.

Europe for example, you don't necessarily get a Dutch passport just because you had a Dutch grandparent.

Aus may be one of those countries that makes you give up another passport to get the Aus one, which someone may be reluctant to do if they have say a European one which they might see as ultimately better to keep for the long term.

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Oh I see.
Australia most definitely allows double citizenship and as far as I know you do need to be a citizen to be counted as domestic. Having citizenship in essence means you can get a passport BUT you don't have to get one. I think the piece of paper saying you're a citizen is what is required...

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Note  from the Top of FFA

James Johnson (FFA CEO) stated in an article tin the Courier Mail 23/2/20  that

" But I want to be clear that the league is being unbundled (from FFA), and for all intents and purposes, the clubs are running it."


OZZy Fans still don't understand about investing in someone else's product

INSIDE SPORT  football forum members question:

So that being the case why are they not spending up and advertising our league ?
This is not an "owner bashing" exercise ...I am genuinely wondering what is holding them back .
Surely it is to their advantage to make their assets more valuable ?

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Sauce

A-League clubs in radical move to sign five marquee players eachClubs, PFA are in discussions for foreign players to be exempt from the A-League salary cap paving the way for up to five marquees at each team next season. 
Up to 60 marquee players could be playing in the A-League next season as part of a proposal for the most significant overhaul of the A-League salary cap in the competition's history.The 12 clubs in the A-League next season could be free to sign five marquee players each should a bid to have all foreign players exempted from the competition's salary cap be approved. The proposal is one of many changes to the A-League salary cap being discussed by club owners, the players' union (The PFA) and, to a lesser extent, Football Federation Australia, aimed at improving the quality of football and making the competition more attractive to viewers.

Sources involved in the talks said there was growing appetite among several stakeholders to have foreign players exempted from the salary cap to allow clubs to sign better quality players.As part of that proposal, the A-League would retain its minimum salary spend but that sum would account only for the wages of Australian players. Under this season's regulations, clubs must spend at least 90 per cent of the A-League's $3.2 million salary cap on their playing squads. The proposed salary cap would include a salary floor, likely to remain at 90 per cent to ensure the most frugal clubs remain competitive. While clubs can currently have two players outside of the salary cap each season, the move to have all foreigners exempted from the cap relaxes several other significant constraints on signing high-quality visa players who aren't designated players (marquees).

Under current regulations, agent fees, accommodation, some relocation costs, vehicle allowances and other benefits must be included in the salary cap, along with a foreign player's earnings. Those rules make it difficult for Australian clubs to compete in an international market where it is common for clubs in other countries to provide accommodation and other comforts for foreign players.The A-League's collective bargaining agreement expires at the end of this season and while discussions are said to have been highly collaborative between club owners and the PFA, there has been no agreement yet on the form the next salary cap will take. Some clubs are concerned that taking foreign players outside the salary cap could further distance the big spenders from the smaller clubs next season.Central Coast Mariners are one of the clubs spending only the salary floor this season and have four foreign players on their books. Should rules be introduced requiring the salary cap floor be restricted to locals with foreigners exempted, it's highly unlikely they would be able to sign many foreign players next season.Sources involved in the discussion told the Herald the Mariners had requested they be able to sell visa-player spots to other clubs should the proposed changes be adopted.

As part of their suggestions, by selling a limited amount of foreign spots, clubs could open up another revenue stream to improve their competitiveness, while also ensuring there is no overall reduction on Australian players in the A-League.

As of yet, the club owners and the PFA - who were sought for comment - have led the discussion around the new salary cap which will be rubber-stamped by the FFA, which has relinquished control of the competition to the clubs.
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Blew.2 wrote:

Sauce

A-League clubs in radical move to sign five marquee players eachClubs, PFA are in discussions for foreign players to be exempt from the A-League salary cap paving the way for up to five marquees at each team next season. 

Under current regulations, agent fees, accommodation, some relocation costs, vehicle allowances and other benefits must be included in the salary cap, along with a foreign player's earnings. Those rules make it difficult for Australian clubs to compete in an international market where it is common for clubs in other countries to provide accommodation and other comforts for foreign players.The A-League's collective bargaining agreement expires at the end of this season and while discussions are said to have been highly collaborative between club owners and the PFA, there has been no agreement yet on the form the next salary cap will take. Some clubs are concerned that taking foreign players outside the salary cap could further distance the big spenders from the smaller clubs next season.Central Coast Mariners are one of the clubs spending only the salary floor this season and have four foreign players on their books. Should rules be introduced requiring the salary cap floor be restricted to locals with foreigners exempted, it's highly unlikely they would be able to sign many foreign players next season.Sources involved in the discussion told the Herald the Mariners had requested they be able to sell visa-player spots to other clubs should the proposed changes be adopted.

As part of their suggestions, by selling a limited amount of foreign spots, clubs could open up another revenue stream to improve their competitiveness, while also ensuring there is no overall reduction on Australian players in the A-League.

As of yet, the club owners and the PFA - who were sought for comment - have led the discussion around the new salary cap which will be rubber-stamped by the FFA, which has relinquished control of the competition to the clubs.

I agree with the first part.

And am very worried about the second.

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Blew.2 wrote:

Sauce

A-League clubs in radical move to sign five marquee players eachClubs, PFA are in discussions for foreign players to be exempt from the A-League salary cap paving the way for up to five marquees at each team next season. 

Under current regulations, agent fees, accommodation, some relocation costs, vehicle allowances and other benefits must be included in the salary cap, along with a foreign player's earnings. Those rules make it difficult for Australian clubs to compete in an international market where it is common for clubs in other countries to provide accommodation and other comforts for foreign players.The A-League's collective bargaining agreement expires at the end of this season and while discussions are said to have been highly collaborative between club owners and the PFA, there has been no agreement yet on the form the next salary cap will take. Some clubs are concerned that taking foreign players outside the salary cap could further distance the big spenders from the smaller clubs next season.Central Coast Mariners are one of the clubs spending only the salary floor this season and have four foreign players on their books. Should rules be introduced requiring the salary cap floor be restricted to locals with foreigners exempted, it's highly unlikely they would be able to sign many foreign players next season.Sources involved in the discussion told the Herald the Mariners had requested they be able to sell visa-player spots to other clubs should the proposed changes be adopted.

As part of their suggestions, by selling a limited amount of foreign spots, clubs could open up another revenue stream to improve their competitiveness, while also ensuring there is no overall reduction on Australian players in the A-League.

As of yet, the club owners and the PFA - who were sought for comment - have led the discussion around the new salary cap which will be rubber-stamped by the FFA, which has relinquished control of the competition to the clubs.

I agree with the first part.

And am very worried about the second.

sounds like only the Mariners are looking at the second piece as an option - maybe they are never planning on using visa spots and want to be able to pay more for Aussie players.

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From The Summit

JJ wants A-League Team Owners to take full charge on Independence

(No Ownership Yet)

"The address from Johnson, who has been in the top job at FFA for just over a month, was not antagonistic unlike the many exchanges between the governing body and the clubs during the Lowy-Gallop era, according to the sources, who described his comments as a more conciliatory call to action that came with the support of FFA. It was received well by the clubs."

"Scudamore conceded certain elements about the A-League were still in a "halfway house" because it is still legally tethered to FFA."

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Oh I see.
Australia most definitely allows double citizenship and as far as I know you do need to be a citizen to be counted as domestic. Having citizenship in essence means you can get a passport BUT you don't have to get one. I think the piece of paper saying you're a citizen is what is required...

That is correct.  Historically, Australia would expect you to drop your other citizenship on becoming Australian citizen, unless your original country does not allow you to renounce it (for example, France, and until 1990, Poland).  In those cases you were allowed to keep the old citizenship in parallel (have dual citizenship).

At the same time though, until recently (2000?) you would lose the Australian citizenship if you subsequently accepted a new citizenship. This caused some unfortunate incidents, for example famous Australian architect Harry Seidler (1923-2006) whose birth country, Austria, restored his Austrian citizenship that he lost as a child refugee after the Nazi takeover.  There was a huge public outcry when subsequently his Australian citizenship was quietly cancelled and he could not renew his passport despite holding it since 1958.  Following this debacle, Australia changed the law and does not automatically cancel its citizenship when people acquire a new one (which is why Andrew Durante was allowed to take up NZ citizenship and not lose his Aussie one).

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An interesting post on ISFTB Forum from Gyfox (Long time poster of fact)

"Broadcast rights for the A-League are around $45m, and with central sponsorship, club sponsorship and membership and gate takings the total is around $120-$130m pa before the owners put in another $20m to pay the bills. Broadcast rights may be dominant in other sports in Australia but for the A-League they are a very important contributor to a much larger pie."

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Hmmm, that figure seems wrong. Pretty sure the current Fox deal is around $58m a season.

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el grapadura wrote:

Hmmm, that figure seems wrong. Pretty sure the current Fox deal is around $58m a season.

Based on his past posts he has access to some raw data. 45m may be the A-league portion of total deal

EDIT: EG The figures are from the FFA's annual participation report and are derived from state federation registration statistics. The latest one was released overnight and it shows that Victoria's thrust to increase the number of registered players is working with 6k extra players in 2019 taking the penetration percentage up to near 1.2%. I hope that continues and growth increases.


If you look at attendance at games in Victoria your claim that you attend the A-League in higher numbers is hard to accept. Victory has good attendance but both City and WU don't.

Population in Victoria is growing faster than in NSW but the population is about 1.8m lower. Melbourne will overtake Sydney in the near future but with registration in Melbourne being one third of that in Sydney at the moment the benefit to the overall game will be relatively slow.

https://www.ffa.com.au/sites/ffa/files/2020-03/2019%20National%20Participation%20Report-%20High%20Res.pdf

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Now that an unofficial cash only committee has been formed for now, chaired by Syd fc's Barlow, along with vice chairs Pearce, Fong baby and Di Pietro, O'Rourke answers to them, acting on behalf of all the clubs in the ALeague, and the committee can vote the Mariners license to go elsewhere, or instead, Charlesworth to sell his shares and go to Pluto."

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Blew.2 wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Hmmm, that figure seems wrong. Pretty sure the current Fox deal is around $58m a season.

Based on his past posts he has access to some raw data. 45m may be the A-league portion of total deal

EDIT: EG The figures are from the FFA's annual participation report and are derived from state federation registration statistics. The latest one was released overnight and it shows that Victoria's thrust to increase the number of registered players is working with 6k extra players in 2019 taking the penetration percentage up to near 1.2%. I hope that continues and growth increases.


If you look at attendance at games in Victoria your claim that you attend the A-League in higher numbers is hard to accept. Victory has good attendance but both City and WU don't.

Population in Victoria is growing faster than in NSW but the population is about 1.8m lower. Melbourne will overtake Sydney in the near future but with registration in Melbourne being one third of that in Sydney at the moment the benefit to the overall game will be relatively slow.

https://www.ffa.com.au/sites/ffa/files/2020-03/2019%20National%20Participation%20Report-%20High%20Res.pdf

Can't see any dollar figures on that link. But the current Fox deal is $346m over 6 seasons, which works out to around $57.66m a season.

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el grapadura wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Hmmm, that figure seems wrong. Pretty sure the current Fox deal is around $58m a season.

Based on his past posts he has access to some raw data. 45m may be the A-league portion of total deal

Can't see any dollar figures on that link. But the current Fox deal is $346m over 6 seasons, which works out to around $57.66m a season.

"Under the deal, Fox Sports will show all A-League games live and maintain rights to Socceroos and Matildas matches."
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Steering Committee setup

A new advisory committee has been set up to help steer the A-League back on track and simplify the competition's governance structures while it awaits formal independence from Football Federation Australia.

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Battle lines drawn over 2019/20 A-League season's return


https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/battle-lines-drawn-over-201920-a-league-seasons-return-548723

Further confirmation that an independent A-League was “put on ice” 

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el grapadura wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Hmmm, that figure seems wrong. Pretty sure the current Fox deal is around $58m a season.

Based on his past posts he has access to some raw data. 45m may be the A-league portion of total deal

EDIT: EG The figures are from the FFA's annual participation report and are derived from state federation registration statistics. The latest one was released overnight and it shows that Victoria's thrust to increase the number of registered players is working with 6k extra players in 2019 taking the penetration percentage up to near 1.2%. I hope that continues and growth increases.


If you look at attendance at games in Victoria your claim that you attend the A-League in higher numbers is hard to accept. Victory has good attendance but both City and WU don't.

Population in Victoria is growing faster than in NSW but the population is about 1.8m lower. Melbourne will overtake Sydney in the near future but with registration in Melbourne being one third of that in Sydney at the moment the benefit to the overall game will be relatively slow.

https://www.ffa.com.au/sites/ffa/files/2020-03/2019%20National%20Participation%20Report-%20High%20Res.pdf

Can't see any dollar figures on that link. But the current Fox deal is $346m over 6 seasons, which works out to around $57.66m a season.

But the FFA keeps a percentage of that, I think the point that was being made was the A-League gets 48 million

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A-League club owners are set to gain full control over the competition's governance before next season with Football Federation Australia set to expedite the transfer of ownership within months.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/ffa-to-accelerate-a-league-independence-but-model-yet-to-be-finalised-20200918-p55x30.html

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