Also fair to say that playing under Ange probably has a bit to do with it.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
It's all hypothetical. He could have been worse, better or manny could have broken his leg in training and ended his career.
He is playing very well with Ange, his coaching has to be a factor, and it is great to watch him.
Hard to know how well he would have gone if still here, RIcki didnt value him enough as he didnt keep him. Will be interesting how Ricki plays him for the All Whites.
He is playing very well with Ange, his coaching has to be a factor, and it is great to watch him.
Hard to know how well he would have gone if still here, RIcki didnt value him enough as he didnt keep him. Will be interesting how Ricki plays him for the All Whites.
One, pay him more. Two, promise him more. Three, Show him a future
Not to mention Terry's money woes and not even knowing if the club will exist soon. That vs victree. Hmmm.
One, pay him more. Two, promise him more. Three, Show him a future
yeah we did prety much everything to keep him apart from buying new training facilities
I dont think it was clear that we offered him youth marquee, cant recall it being mentioned, but how much more or less that is from a normal contract for a top player I dont know. I think they waited too long before getting to his contract, and didnt do enough to keep him, points 2 and 3, which I take as an opportunity missed. I may be wrong on the timing but the Serepisos stuff was later, or would have been if we had done enough earlier.
I dont blame him going to Melbourne anyway, and will be interested to see where he goes from there.
You are wrong on the timing. The Terry saga was ongoing for that whole season (including the reports of players not being payed etc), and the future of the club was still up in the air when we played our last game at Westpac for the season. I remember Terry addressing the crowd straight after Vuka scored the penalty, and telling us that "The Phoenix are here to stay".
Also we tried to resign him from like december January, and it kept getting more ominous as the season drew to a close when he hadnt resigned.
There was definitely mention of offering him a big $$ contract.
Im not sure if the terry thing was part of his decision.. but wouldnt surprise me
I dont think I am that wrong on the timing. People were being signed through the year as I recall, regardless of the rumours.
But from his point of view, there is a lot of uncertainty around the club, players aren't getting paid etc. He is at a critical point in his career.
He can either move to Melbourne and play for the leagues 'biggest' club, or stay here and maybe end up in obscurity within the year.
No brainer.
There were times in that final year when he and other players were not paid on time. Not too bad if you are on $200k, but on a youth contract of $30k or whatever that would hurt. While he may have been offered a big money contract if I were him a big factor would have been the "will I actually get to see the dough"
As Tegal says.... a no brainer
Also we tried to resign him from like december January, and it kept getting more ominous as the season drew to a close when he hadnt resigned.
There was definitely mention of offering him a big $$ contract.
Im not sure if the terry thing was part of his decision.. but wouldnt surprise me
was Ricki meant to pay him out of his own pocket?
When he wasn't even being paid himself.
was Ricki meant to pay him out of his own pocket?
When he wasn't even being paid himself.
So why is it rickis fault that terry could only offer him a crap deal then? He later offered youth marquee, but he clearly couldn't afford it.
Assume you are RH and I am Marco - convince me I should re-sign for the Nix. Go
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Also we tried to resign him from like december January, and it kept getting more ominous as the season drew to a close when he hadnt resigned.
There was definitely mention of offering him a big $$ contract.
Im not sure if the terry thing was part of his decision.. but wouldnt surprise me
Not sure why we are angsting over this again?
Yeah it sucks he left us, but now Ange is showcasing his talents to the world. He will eventually leave the Victory and the better he does now, the better club he will end up with. We still get to see him in the All Whites shirt, whilst Aussies have to look at how he is going and be jealous.
In 10-12 years after he has done the Europe thing, he can come back and right the wrong by playing for the Phoenix again.
So are you saying that Herbert has no say in the amount offered ?? I reckon he would have.
My point is that he was not valued enough to be offered a decent new contract.
Regardless of how the club's possible finances were, they tried to get him on the same old rate, ie we dont value you any more than when you first came here, and we are prepared to pay other journeymen at the club more than you. If that was me I would look around as well. Only later did they up the ante
Not sure why we are angsting over this again?
Yeah it sucks he left us, but now Ange is showcasing his talents to the world. He will eventually leave the Victory and the better he does now, the better club he will end up with. We still get to see him in the All Whites shirt, whilst Aussies have to look at how he is going and be jealous.
In 10-12 years after he has done the Europe thing, he can come back and right the wrong by playing for the Phoenix again.
So are you saying that Herbert has no say in the amount offered ?? I reckon he would have.
So are you saying that Herbert has no say in the amount offered ?? I reckon he would have.
Fuck this stupid game
The facts have come out that they tried a cheapie and it didnt work.
Funds didnt become available suddenly, they offered more to try and keep him after the first low shot wasnt accepted, and the stakes were raised by others who saw the value in him.
Not sure why this mistake is being so vigourously defended, it is ok for coaches to lose out, it happens, Ricki does make miscalculations. I believe I am calling it like it is (in hindsight I admit), and dont see him as blameless as others do.
The facts have come out that they tried a cheapie and it didnt work.
Funds didnt become available suddenly, they offered more to try and keep him after the first low shot wasnt accepted, and the stakes were raised by others who saw the value in him.
Not sure why this mistake is being so vigourously defended, it is ok for coaches to lose out, it happens, Ricki does make miscalculations. I believe I am calling it like it is (in hindsight I admit), and dont see him as blameless as others do.
Fuck this stupid game
The facts have come out that they tried a cheapie and it didnt work.
Funds didnt become available suddenly, they offered more to try and keep him after the first low shot wasnt accepted, and the stakes were raised by others who saw the value in him.
Not sure why this mistake is being so vigourously defended, it is ok for coaches to lose out, it happens, Ricki does make miscalculations. I believe I am calling it like it is (in hindsight I admit), and dont see him as blameless as others do.
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Also we tried to resign him from like december January, and it kept getting more ominous as the season drew to a close when he hadnt resigned.
There was definitely mention of offering him a big $$ contract.
Im not sure if the terry thing was part of his decision.. but wouldnt surprise me
Fuck this stupid game
You do know EG talks more bollox than Hard News right?
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Also fair to say that playing under Ange probably has a bit to do with it.
The facts have come out that they tried a cheapie and it didnt work.
Funds didnt become available suddenly, they offered more to try and keep him after the first low shot wasnt accepted, and the stakes were raised by others who saw the value in him.
Not sure why this mistake is being so vigourously defended, it is ok for coaches to lose out, it happens, Ricki does make miscalculations. I believe I am calling it like it is (in hindsight I admit), and dont see him as blameless as others do.