Straya - A-League and State Leagues

3 points always suspended Western Sydney Wanderers FC

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over 12 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:

Yeah but for once, I took it as humorous banter. They are right. GF and currently top of the league. I hate the RBB, but respect the performance on the field which at a better level than anyone else.

Put a different way, I prefer this stuff than their previous militant tendencies and 'we get picked on' cry.

I took it as a statement to the traveling Victory fans, rather than a comment about their teams performance.
Oh? In that case the meaning is lost on me then....

Grumpy old bastard alert

over 12 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

Yeah but for once, I took it as humorous banter. They are right. GF and currently top of the league. I hate the RBB, but respect the performance on the field which at a better level than anyone else.

Put a different way, I prefer this stuff than their previous militant tendencies and 'we get picked on' cry.

I took it as a statement to the traveling Victory fans, rather than a comment about their teams performance.
Oh? In that case the meaning is lost on me then....
Meaning that they have raised the bar for active support and are better than the Victory fan base. But that is just how I took it.
over 12 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

Yeah but for once, I took it as humorous banter. They are right. GF and currently top of the league. I hate the RBB, but respect the performance on the field which at a better level than anyone else.

Put a different way, I prefer this stuff than their previous militant tendencies and 'we get picked on' cry.

I took it as a statement to the traveling Victory fans, rather than a comment about their teams performance.
Oh? In that case the meaning is lost on me then....
Meaning that they have raised the bar for active support and are better than the Victory fan base. But that is just how I took it.
This is how I took it too. Hence why I interpreted it as arrogant (it's about themselves) rather than a jibe at the Victory.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

about 12 years ago · edited about 12 years ago · History

This was retweeted by the RBB official twitter account

I think by retweeting someone saying "well done" for letting off flares, they are condoning the behaviour. 



Allegedly

about 12 years ago
Tegal wrote:

This was retweeted by the RBB official twitter account

I think by retweeting someone saying "well done" for letting off flares, they are condoning the behaviour. 



They didn't let them off, they were just cleaning them and they  went off.
Reading the above I would say they are condoning the behaviour
about 12 years ago · edited about 12 years ago · History
crewemad wrote:

They didn't let them off, they were just cleaning them and they  went off.

Why the hell did they have them in the ground in the first place? "Cleaning them and they went off" doesn't stack up for me, sounds like a lame excuse.

RBB are idiots.


EDIT: The joke whooshed over me.


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

about 12 years ago

Ray Gatt @Gatty54

Some good news coming out of Wanderers. Price settled for sale of club 2 consortium of local and overseas. Visy on board as sponsor for ACL.

about 12 years ago

meh - their fans are very good (in the context of the league) so they have every right to be cocky.

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

about 12 years ago

And based on performance, they are allowed to crow

Grumpy old bastard alert

about 12 years ago

Japanese media reporting that Ono is leaving WSW at end of this season to sign for that J2 team.

about 12 years ago
Jtoml3 wrote:

Slight rant from the poll at the bottom of this article, http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/wellingtonphoenix/news-display/player-signings-%7C-fijian-goal-machine-signs-for-phoenix/82500

Is winning against the team owned by the FFA not allowed on a poll? Even if its the start of the new year it isn't surprising. 


Some websites get updated slower in Australia than in NZ, and vice versa. This permanent poll of sorts, present under most FFA articles, is not renowned for instant relevance and "up-to-dateness".

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

about 12 years ago

Club facing $5K fine per flare, and have had banners and flags banned until further notice.

about 12 years ago
2ndBest wrote:

Club facing $5K fine per flare, and have had banners and flags banned until further notice.

ACL or A-League?
about 12 years ago

Fine is from AFC. It's still to be confirmed. 

Banning is from FFA. Aparently they were warned prior to season.

about 12 years ago

Fark , wait till they get their shirts off fine!

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

about 12 years ago · edited about 12 years ago · History

poor troll is poor

They then deleted all but the first tweet.


Allegedly

about 12 years ago

I also asked

after reading this on their forum

And other similar types of things on twitter and their forum. Their twitter account even called a fan a wanker after the fan said they got lynched by a capo for being more into the game than the RBB

I didn't get a response to the tweet obviously. But it interests me. 


Allegedly

about 12 years ago

 There certainly seems to be some tension between their leaders and followers. A lot of the followers seem to be pretty pissed that there wasn't any consultation or warning of the protest. Their forums are almost melting down.

about 12 years ago

I recommend, great read.

I find it stupid that they asked people to blindly go on with the protest (and physically enforced it if one post is to be believed).

Also interesting that once you take away singing about themselves, not many turned up for the football. Shows who they really sing for?


Allegedly

about 12 years ago

Really, it is a running dummy spit of epic proportions.

about 12 years ago

The FFA must be wishing they could have offloaded WSW earlier..

"Who ate all the pies"

about 12 years ago

8pm (aus time) tonight. 

This is going to be hilarious. 


Allegedly

about 12 years ago
Tegal wrote:

8pm (aus time) tonight. 

This is going to be hilarious. 


So it will be the:
A. Club's fault
B. Police's fault
C. FFA's Fault
D. ACL's Fault
E. Bankstown Grannies Bridge club fault.
F. All of the above

Can't be because of anything some of the RBB did
about 12 years ago

#RBBannouncement 

The leprechaun tells me to burn things 



Allegedly

about 12 years ago

I just can't understand the idea of a protest where (seemingly) the majority of the protesters don't have a clue what they are actually protesting against.

about 12 years ago

The protest was nothing but the RBB beating their chests. Trying to prove they have power because they think they are bigger than the club itself.

Fuck this stupid game

about 12 years ago

The RBB issues this statement on behalf of its members and to all WSW fans.

Firstly we would like to thank all our members and fans around the stadium for their continued support on match days. Your contribution is appreciated, welcomed and encouraged. This was none more evident than on Sunday at the match vs Newcastle Jets.

The RBB understands the lack of clarity surrounding yesterday's silent protest. Be assured that despite the social media rumour mill and some journalists conjuring their own truths, the decision to protest has no link to the repercussions of flare use during Wednesday's ACL match against Ulsan.

The tone of the email was divisive, and generalising in its condemnation of the RBB as a whole. Not to mention poorly worded, making members come to differing conclusions. The club is intentionally trying to divide us, the fans, by pitting the active and non-active supporters against each other. This is a cheap publicity stunt to show that the club is doing something, and to satisfy the media and FFA alike. This is done by implying that the whole of the RBB is to blame for the events of Wednesday night, not a handful or a minority who engaged in such anti-social behaviour. The club also does not make mention of the fact that the RBB bays on Wednesday night were general admission tickets, not only ticketed members. Generalisations are being made, and the common principles of society are being ignored. This also contradicts Lyall Gorman’s continued assertions that the Wanderers are a community, because they are trying to divide this community through such statements. 

1. An MOU between the RBB and WSW was never signed nor agreed upon. A draft copy was provided by WSW to the RBB. An MOU is defined as an agreement between two parties, not one party which assumes its acceptance. The club makes reference to this MOU in its member update email as an iron clad agreement, and advises members that they can request a copy of the document. This is misleading and leads all fans to believe that there was such an agreement in place, which is not the case.

2. Open and transparent dialogue between WSW and RBB is being compromised due to the events leading to the members email sent out by the club. A draft of the email was provided to the RBB only minutes before it was made public. This email was then sent out en masse while concerns regarding the wording and content of the email were being discussed with the club. This concern was communicated to the club prior to the Sunday’s game, but duly dismissed.

3. Due legal process regarding bans and appeals is not being applied. Alleged perpetrators are “identified”, and duly banned without an appeals process or explanation, nor proof of guilt. These supporters are given no rights, even if proven innocent in a court of law. Not to mention the extremely aggressive stand over tactics and measures taken to harass members by police and Hatamoto. There is a severe lack of transparency. Some examples are;

• Members of the RBB being followed by HATAMOTO, the FFA’s hired undercover security firm, inside and outside FFA grounds to build profiles against members, including at the pre-match pub and on the way home.

• Members who have been banned and charged, taking their grievances to court, spending time and thousands of dollars to have the charges overturned, yet not having their FFA bans rescinded. One member was entitled to press charges against police heavy handedness but chose not to. His FFA ban is still in effect, with no effort from the club to represent him.

• An elderly member of the RBB punched in the face, and nose broken by stadium security. Member invests time and money at hospitals and courts. No assistance is provided by the club, not even a simple apology is afforded to the member and his family. The club advises it will meet with the member after the finals series as they are “busy”. This is yet to occur.

• General harassment by Hatamoto and police on game day. When questioned, police advise that these are instructions given to them to take a “zero tolerance” approach. 

• Members handed 12 month bans with no prior warning for previously throwing receipt rolls as streamers. 

4. The club and A League use the RBB as a marketing tool to promote their brand to members and sponsors alike, in advertising and promotional material, but concurrently attempt to stifle the organic growth of the RBB and active support in general. This is palpable in the proposed implementation of a “members only active ticket” scheme for away matches. Tickets will only be allowed to be purchased at a “one per member” basis, and identification shown with the membership card to prove identity. This eliminates the opportunity for potential “new” active members to attend away matches. The travelling support the RBB has become renowned for will slowly be eradicated.

There is a clear lack of respect and appreciation being shown towards fans, active and non-active as a whole. There are certain instances that affirm this, some at the match on Sunday vs Newcastle Jets;

- The denial of a peaceful statement in the form of a banner was rejected by the powers that be, moments before the message banners reading “Stand United, Never Divided” were to be unveiled. This was contradictory to the fact that the club had confirmed they would not oppose the messages as long as they were neither offensive nor provocative. These message banners were intended to show unity between the RBB and the supporters in the rest of the stadium.

- Overzealous police and riot squad officers intimidating and provoking RBB members at the “request of club and stadium officials” as mentioned by one officer on Sunday. A zero tolerance approach was requested by the club and stadium officials to police. Dozens of riot police were on hand, and needed to justify their presence. This occurred when random RBB members were unjustly targeted, evicted and subsequently served 12 month bans for trivial reasons such as swearing. Some members taken out for questioning had their mobile phones confiscated, and gone through by officers. Police also prevented members from leaving their bays for a period of nearly 15 minutes. Members could not leave to go to the toilet or buy food / drinks. No reason was provided for this. 

- Banning of confetti being thrown from the east and west grandstands. Stakeholders and stadium representatives have stated that confetti is not allowed to be thrown in the “non-active” sections, as this is an additional cost that they do not want to have. Confetti can only be used in the active area with prior approval. Some members in the grandstands were threatened to have their memberships revoked by police if confetti was thrown. The club blames the stadium. The stadium blames the stakeholders. Passing the buck at its finest. This is a clear indication of the concern with the bottom line, rather than fan engagement.

The original intention was for the protest to last for a short period, notably half way through the first half, where the message banners would be unveiled, and then chanting would resume as normal. The stand over tactics of police and denial of the banner by the club, police and stadium exacerbated the issue, and forced the continuation of the protest until the 90th minute. The RBB remained in the terrace to the end of the match and applauded the players to let them know that we were there for them.

Nobody is bigger than the club, but a mutual respect is required to maintain a united, sustainable and successful team and active supporter group. 

The RBB has worked towards this through working on facilitating TIFO displays, various charity works, match day chants / choreography and the pre-game march, all of which require continuous behind the scenes efforts by members of the RBB, day and night, to ensure that the match day experience is the best. Countless hours and money has been spent by the RBB to make this the best active supporter group in Australia. 

The club must recognise this and see it as an asset, not a liability. Recognition not acclaim must be given to all, including non-active supporters, as we are all part of the match day experience. This is all done for no financial gain, but for the passion and pride the RBB has for the team. Unlike the club, the team and supporters are our interest, not the bottom line. 

The unity of our fans, the passionate support and the success of our team are our priority. See you at the derby, where it will be business as usual with the takeover of Allianz stadium.

STAND UNITED, NEVER DIVIDED.

about 12 years ago

TL;DR

Fuck this stupid game

about 12 years ago

Jeeeezus what a read that is.

about 12 years ago · edited about 12 years ago · History

So this is my take on each point.

1) Ok probably fair enough given that it wasn't signed. By why not? Did you bother to negotiate? Or did you know you couldn't live up the expectations. What were you told about expectation at the fan forum
2) Complaining that you didn't get a chance to comment n an email that your club was sending out? For real? Who would ever get that chance.
3) Seems to be some legitimate concerns. Not sure what it has to do with this email though.
4) Do bad things...expect closer attention. It happens regardless of who you are. We've had it to some degree in the past.

""The club is intentionally trying to divide us, the fans, by pitting the active and non-active supporters against each other." THink you are doing a good job of that yourself.

"The original intention was for the protest to last for a short period" I find this hard to believe given none of this was publicised and a response only came out today. I reeks of a last minute decision.

about 12 years ago

This needed judicious application of the red pen.


I only skimmed it but one thing I do think is a fair cop is that the club and the FFA LOVE the image of the RBB and use them to promote the league and the club constantly.  Yet at the same time they are pushing back fairly hard on their active support and are pretty quick to demonise them when things happen which they don't like, involve fairly heavy handed security measures etc.  If that anecdote is true and people remain banned after having a case against the police I would be fairly pi$$ed off.  


I really dislike security for security sake.  Yes the flare are a menace but all this single ticket stuff, and ID cards, that's just completely over the top and implies all football fans are criminals which I completely object to.

Normo's coming home

about 12 years ago

It took them how long to write that???? after all that time that is what they came up with. 


Was it just me or did everyone know about the banners and stuff being not allowed?

Calling all fans in Japan, come down and support the mighty nix in Osaka

http://www.facebook.com/WellingtonPhoenixClubMembersSupportersGroupOsaka

about 12 years ago

I have to say the most fun last night was actually everyone taking the piss before the announcement was made on twitter.

Tegal got #RBBannouncement started on twitter and it took off with a lot of other supporters from other clubs taking part, trending in both New Zealand and Australia. There was some gold in there and was better than the actual letter from the RBB.

Saying that, because of how badly their protest was done and not releasing there statement till after. I think they have done more damage than if the put out a proper comment before it all happen.

I'm an optimistic pessimist. 
I'm positive things will go wrong.
about 12 years ago
Yakcall wrote:

I have to say the most fun last night was actually everyone taking the piss before the announcement was made on twitter.

Tegal got #RBBannouncement started on twitter and it took off with a lot of other supporters from other clubs taking part, trending in both New Zealand and Australia. There was some gold in there and was better than the actual letter from the RBB.

Saying that, because of how badly their protest was done and not releasing there statement till after. I think they have done more damage than if the put out a proper comment before it all happen.


Have you seen some of their "Cappo's"??? If they are the ones who wrote the statement they did pretty well to get that out in 24 hours. Do you realise how hard it is to write with crayons.