Due to the most embarrassing and typical stuff up by NZFA re the All Whites Coach. I wonder if they will approach Talay and offer him the job?? It would counteract the reason that he didn't get the job due to " conflict" of being a National and a Club coach. Personally, I would like to see him in both roles, been done before, so why not again. On the other side of the coin, it will not surprise me if he tells them to get stuffed.
Ufuk Talay got an interview on the back of pushes from certain sectors of the media.
1. They were never going to put an Aussie in charge.
2. Most certainly doesn't fulfill McKinnon Report recommendations.
3. Had to give him interview in order to not break down NZF/Phoenix relationship.
Hard pill to swallow for some (i will cop a fair bit from his supporters no doubt)....but let's take the blinkers off for a second.
Time to move on from appointments and let's support the teams!
Absurd to suggest NZF wouldn't appoint an Aussie. We have had a number of Poms in charge. Schmid from Switzerland. Why not an Australian.
The no 1 problem with appointing Talay is he just wouldn't be focused on the job 100%, and you risk going backwards in the very important preparation & analysis space, for the AWs. Something that has come on in leaps & bounds since Ricki (as it should with a full time gaffer), but would likely regress with a part time coach, busy preparing his club team only a few days before the AWs play.
Plus then of course the large risk that what if Uffie no longer coaches the Nix some way through the WC cycle (2026 would see him being at the club 7 years, a lifetime in club football). What happens then?
Absurd you say? All Blacks wouldn't put an Aussie in charge. Neither will the All Whites. Think most fans wouldn't take to that.. apart from his club supporters that have a man crush.
His best bet it to do a Kevin Muscat - wiggle his way to a small European league then into Asia. end of.
It's absolutely absurd. Anyone who cars about the NZ / Australia rivalry that much is not rational. The rivalry is just a bit of a laugh, I doubt more than a few people with other personality disorders actually takes it that seriously.
If you look at fan sentiment across social media people seem absolutely behind Talay.
Rugby Australia has appointed Kiwi coaches in the past...
Could you picture and imagine Chris Wood listening to Talay an Australian giving it to them whilst we 2-0 down at halftime against Australia. If you think so you in la la land.
Ufuk Talay got an interview on the back of pushes from certain sectors of the media.
1. They were never going to put an Aussie in charge.
2. Most certainly doesn't fulfill McKinnon Report recommendations.
3. Had to give him interview in order to not break down NZF/Phoenix relationship.
Hard pill to swallow for some (i will cop a fair bit from his supporters no doubt)....but let's take the blinkers off for a second.
Time to move on from appointments and let's support the teams!
Absurd to suggest NZF wouldn't appoint an Aussie. We have had a number of Poms in charge. Schmid from Switzerland. Why not an Australian.
The no 1 problem with appointing Talay is he just wouldn't be focused on the job 100%, and you risk going backwards in the very important preparation & analysis space, for the AWs. Something that has come on in leaps & bounds since Ricki (as it should with a full time gaffer), but would likely regress with a part time coach, busy preparing his club team only a few days before the AWs play.
Plus then of course the large risk that what if Uffie no longer coaches the Nix some way through the WC cycle (2026 would see him being at the club 7 years, a lifetime in club football). What happens then?
Absurd you say? All Blacks wouldn't put an Aussie in charge. Neither will the All Whites. Think most fans wouldn't take to that.. apart from his club supporters that have a man crush.
His best bet it to do a Kevin Muscat - wiggle his way to a small European league then into Asia. end of.
It's absolutely absurd. Anyone who cars about the NZ / Australia rivalry that much is not rational. The rivalry is just a bit of a laugh, I doubt more than a few people with other personality disorders actually takes it that seriously.
If you look at fan sentiment across social media people seem absolutely behind Talay.
Rugby Australia has appointed Kiwi coaches in the past...
Could you picture and imagine Chris Wood listening to Talay an Australian giving it to them whilst we 2-0 down at halftime against Australia. If you think so you in la la land.
This is a wildly stupid hot take and I'm assuming this is the reason you don't like Talay?? I bet you are thinking similar things when he coaches the Phoenix (an NZ club) versus his old club Sydney FC. Football is the largest international sport and players play all over the world, wherever they choose or are told to go. If the NZ AUS rivalry was such a big deal do you think we would catch NZ players playing for AUS clubs or NZ players playing under AUS coaches. Heres a thought, maybe having an Aussie as a coach for the All Whites would help us in the mostly made up 'rivalry' we have with the Aussies? It has certainly helped other teams in rugby when they take NZ coaches! Not to mention the fact that having an Aussie coach would pump up the 'rivalry' that you seem to care so much about.
Edit - and just to be clear I don't even want Talay for the All Whites job but to pretend that our rivalry with the Aussies is the reason he didn't get it is just dumb. He simply isn't as experienced as the other options, that is all.
Ufuk Talay got an interview on the back of pushes from certain sectors of the media.
1. They were never going to put an Aussie in charge.
2. Most certainly doesn't fulfill McKinnon Report recommendations.
3. Had to give him interview in order to not break down NZF/Phoenix relationship.
Hard pill to swallow for some (i will cop a fair bit from his supporters no doubt)....but let's take the blinkers off for a second.
Time to move on from appointments and let's support the teams!
Absurd to suggest NZF wouldn't appoint an Aussie. We have had a number of Poms in charge. Schmid from Switzerland. Why not an Australian.
The no 1 problem with appointing Talay is he just wouldn't be focused on the job 100%, and you risk going backwards in the very important preparation & analysis space, for the AWs. Something that has come on in leaps & bounds since Ricki (as it should with a full time gaffer), but would likely regress with a part time coach, busy preparing his club team only a few days before the AWs play.
Plus then of course the large risk that what if Uffie no longer coaches the Nix some way through the WC cycle (2026 would see him being at the club 7 years, a lifetime in club football). What happens then?
Absurd you say? All Blacks wouldn't put an Aussie in charge. Neither will the All Whites. Think most fans wouldn't take to that.. apart from his club supporters that have a man crush.
His best bet it to do a Kevin Muscat - wiggle his way to a small European league then into Asia. end of.
It's absolutely absurd. Anyone who cars about the NZ / Australia rivalry that much is not rational. The rivalry is just a bit of a laugh, I doubt more than a few people with other personality disorders actually takes it that seriously.
If you look at fan sentiment across social media people seem absolutely behind Talay.
Rugby Australia has appointed Kiwi coaches in the past...
Could you picture and imagine Chris Wood listening to Talay an Australian giving it to them whilst we 2-0 down at halftime against Australia. If you think so you in la la land.
We play the Socceroos once every 10 years in a friendly(ies). There really is no rivalry there anymore.
The ABs will play the Wallabies about in about 30 competitive matches over a 10 yr period. NZ also has the best rugby coaching production line in the world, there are NZ coaches everywhere in international rugby. There is no comparison with football
Aussie Steve Rixon took the Black Caps and was one of our better coaches, but then Australia (or now India) are the All Blacks of cricket
Ufuk Talay got an interview on the back of pushes from certain sectors of the media.
1. They were never going to put an Aussie in charge.
2. Most certainly doesn't fulfill McKinnon Report recommendations.
3. Had to give him interview in order to not break down NZF/Phoenix relationship.
Hard pill to swallow for some (i will cop a fair bit from his supporters no doubt)....but let's take the blinkers off for a second.
Time to move on from appointments and let's support the teams!
Absurd to suggest NZF wouldn't appoint an Aussie. We have had a number of Poms in charge. Schmid from Switzerland. Why not an Australian.
The no 1 problem with appointing Talay is he just wouldn't be focused on the job 100%, and you risk going backwards in the very important preparation & analysis space, for the AWs. Something that has come on in leaps & bounds since Ricki (as it should with a full time gaffer), but would likely regress with a part time coach, busy preparing his club team only a few days before the AWs play.
Plus then of course the large risk that what if Uffie no longer coaches the Nix some way through the WC cycle (2026 would see him being at the club 7 years, a lifetime in club football). What happens then?
Absurd you say? All Blacks wouldn't put an Aussie in charge. Neither will the All Whites. Think most fans wouldn't take to that.. apart from his club supporters that have a man crush.
His best bet it to do a Kevin Muscat - wiggle his way to a small European league then into Asia. end of.
It's absolutely absurd. Anyone who cars about the NZ / Australia rivalry that much is not rational. The rivalry is just a bit of a laugh, I doubt more than a few people with other personality disorders actually takes it that seriously.
If you look at fan sentiment across social media people seem absolutely behind Talay.
Rugby Australia has appointed Kiwi coaches in the past...
Could you picture and imagine Chris Wood listening to Talay an Australian giving it to them whilst we 2-0 down at halftime against Australia. If you think so you in la la land.
Ufuk Talay got an interview on the back of pushes from certain sectors of the media.
1. They were never going to put an Aussie in charge.
2. Most certainly doesn't fulfill McKinnon Report recommendations.
3. Had to give him interview in order to not break down NZF/Phoenix relationship.
Hard pill to swallow for some (i will cop a fair bit from his supporters no doubt)....but let's take the blinkers off for a second.
Time to move on from appointments and let's support the teams!
Absurd to suggest NZF wouldn't appoint an Aussie. We have had a number of Poms in charge. Schmid from Switzerland. Why not an Australian.
The no 1 problem with appointing Talay is he just wouldn't be focused on the job 100%, and you risk going backwards in the very important preparation & analysis space, for the AWs. Something that has come on in leaps & bounds since Ricki (as it should with a full time gaffer), but would likely regress with a part time coach, busy preparing his club team only a few days before the AWs play.
Plus then of course the large risk that what if Uffie no longer coaches the Nix some way through the WC cycle (2026 would see him being at the club 7 years, a lifetime in club football). What happens then?
Absurd you say? All Blacks wouldn't put an Aussie in charge. Neither will the All Whites. Think most fans wouldn't take to that.. apart from his club supporters that have a man crush.
His best bet it to do a Kevin Muscat - wiggle his way to a small European league then into Asia. end of.
It's absolutely absurd. Anyone who cars about the NZ / Australia rivalry that much is not rational. The rivalry is just a bit of a laugh, I doubt more than a few people with other personality disorders actually takes it that seriously.
If you look at fan sentiment across social media people seem absolutely behind Talay.
Rugby Australia has appointed Kiwi coaches in the past...
Could you picture and imagine Chris Wood listening to Talay an Australian giving it to them whilst we 2-0 down at halftime against Australia. If you think so you in la la land.
Of course, Chris Wood is a professional.
Spot on. Wood and Talay are professionals.
Talay would be stupid to tank his career by giving all whites players bad advice to tank them in a game.
Wood is a pro that would hopefully stop him with bias about his bosses nationality, and if he wouldn't listen to his coach because he's an Aussie, that's Woods issue.
And as was pointed out above, we play Aus fudge all anyway. If that was an issue we might be 3 coaches in before it became an issue.
As for All Blacks, if we were really low on the rankings and a hot stuff coach was keen on the gig and our national coaches weren't cutting the mustard, I would expect we would jump on it. Might be more scrutiny if he shark the bed, and sure some old farts might whinge, but if you were taking the second best option because the first was an Aussie then that would be idiotic.
According to this logic, Uffie would set us up to lose every single game each week, since we play Australian opposition each time lol. I think some people don't really understand how professional sports work. A coach like Uffie would go even harder than usual when playing Australia in order to impress his compatriots and to show what he's worth. Same goes for every kiwi thar ever played against the Nix. They usually scored or had a good game generally speaking. You get extra motivation...
Uffuk doesnt strike me as the kind of man who takes kindly to dumb questions from journos looking for some click bait reaction, repeatedly asking him about the AW's job when he's clearly said - that ship has sailed would annoy him.
On the AW's thing, sure he may not get another chance to go to a World cup, or manage an international team, but, he's clearly not the kind of guy who is going to be anyone's second choice. NZF either wanted him or they didnt. Anyway, by all reports NZF still have their #1 target in their sights.
Oh god all these new posts were in response to an inane post with an obviously flawed premise.
There’s plenty of stuff flying around near motorised fans at the moment to report on…we don’t need to be debating something that simply wasn’t a factor.
So, Bazeley said on the kiwi football fix, that he had been kept in the loop all the way, he understood there was a preferred candidate, but he was still in the mix depending on how all that went.
Whereas Ufuk said he heard nothing after the interview.
So, Bazeley said on the kiwi football fix, that he had been kept in the loop all the way, he understood there was a preferred candidate, but he was still in the mix depending on how all that went.
Whereas Ufuk said he heard nothing after the interview.
So, Bazeley said on the kiwi football fix, that he had been kept in the loop all the way, he understood there was a preferred candidate, but he was still in the mix depending on how all that went.
Whereas Ufuk said he heard nothing after the interview.
Your point is…?
UFUK interview was a tick boxer - had to happen for the NZF/Phoenix relationship. Guy at the local chippy had more chance.
So, Bazeley said on the kiwi football fix, that he had been kept in the loop all the way, he understood there was a preferred candidate, but he was still in the mix depending on how all that went.
Whereas Ufuk said he heard nothing after the interview.
Your point is…?
UFUK interview was a tick boxer - had to happen for the NZF/Phoenix relationship. Guy at the local chippy had more chance.
Seems like throwing the Nix a bone but also making it clear that it was nothing more than lip service has damaged the relationship further, if anything.
Doubt anyone would have been mad if NZF had been up front and said they wouldn't consider dual roles but instead they dragged it out, made it look like there was a chance and then made it clear that there wasn't. Waste of everyone's time and NZFs credibility (assuming that there was some left).
Seems like Uffie will make his decision at end of the season.
Can almost do that, if we’re able to tap up a good Lewis replacement and a keeper in the meantime, considering how many are already signed.
Whether he finishes in Wellington this season or later, it’s still important for his Nix legacy to have a strong run in to the end of the season. While he’s been good, he hasn’t put himself head and shoulders ahead of his rivals in a way he threatened to at one point. Be interesting to see if Rufer can find the forward passing and movement he had begun to develop before his injury. Would be handy for that run.
If he won't commit until the end of the season it's an "I'm only staying if I can't find a better offer" message.
And if that's the case we should find a replacement coach. And when we get one tell him thanks but you had your chance to sign and the position is now filled.
Personally I think it’s that he’s gone, but is avoiding the speculation or information leaking until the end of the season to avoid it distracting after the recent player news. Which is fair play if true.
Personally I think it’s that he’s gone, but is avoiding the speculation or information leaking until the end of the season to avoid it distracting after the recent player news. Which is fair play if true.
I guess we have a long off season, so what player recruitment windows do we loose by waiting till the end of the season? Given Gill will be hamstrung managing recruitment if we haven't appointed a new coach, you'd expect.
I just like the idea of creating our own destiny and recruiting a new coach now if Uffy won't commit. Just back the club to attract quality. And if he's already gone, I back him and the players to finish strong and don't think we need to be quiet about it. Even make it a thing to send him off with a top finish.
But people were sure last time that he was going to go and he ended up re-signing. The fact that he's still negotiating with the team means there's a good chance he's staying. He's not Mark Rudan (or potentially John Herdman), he's not going to lie and lead the team on if he's intending to sign somewhere else.
I wouldn't be surprised if he goes, I wouldn't be surprised if he stays I just hope it's resolved quickly so the team has enough time to find someone good.
are we still keen on uffie for next season...dont understand why waine wasnt replaced...seems illogical to me...uffie appears to have lost his way since he stopped hissing and roaring on the sideline...also the subs are weird...almost like he has little confidence in his non first 13 players....to go into next season with the current imports could be questionable apart from zawada and kraev...playing sasse and leaving old on the bench has proved counterproductive.i realise 4 of our imports are signed for next season but are they really up to scratch..personally id like to see greenie given an opportunity to prove his worth...perhaps the question is deeper than just changing uffie but it sure hasnt been a great season for him... maybe the club may be better advised to make up his mind for him as to whether his time is up
are we still keen on uffie for next season...dont understand why waine wasnt replaced...seems illogical to me...uffie appears to have lost his way since he stopped hissing and roaring on the sideline...also the subs are weird...almost like he has little confidence in his non first 13 players....to go into next season with the current imports could be questionable apart from zawada and kraev...playing sasse and leaving old on the bench has proved counterproductive.i realise 4 of our imports are signed for next season but are they really up to scratch..personally id like to see greenie given an opportunity to prove his worth...perhaps the question is deeper than just changing uffie but it sure hasnt been a great season for him... maybe the club may be better advised to make up his mind for him as to whether his time is up
Hasn't been a great season? We are sitting in 5th place. One loss doesn't define the whole season.
It’s a game of fine margins. Kosta pops that in, Oli doesn’t gift them a goal, Kraev’s deflection goes in our favor and then we’re storming the keep at Adelaide and roaring into second.
Sasse over Old is an interesting one, but I’d argue that Sasse has been a lot better than we give him credit for. He’s moving the ball well, but hasn’t had anything spectacular stick. His corners are very dangerous, we’re just poor in the air recently and in this game in particular. If he had Stevie Taylor attacking his delivery imo he’d have a couple more assists. He’s hit the post a lot.
I think it’s actually fair to say that Kraev from earlier in the season would have at least scored a brace and maybe if Kosta squared to him a hatty. Possibly his form drop in front of goal cost us more than Sasse.
It’s odd to feel this buoyant after a 5-1, but we were a gnat’s hair away from dominating Adelaide, we just did it to ourselves in the end.
And I don’t think van Hattum is ready to be our impact sub, and I’m not sure why Uffie is persisting with him ahead of Old or Pennington who are much more accomplished footballers and likely to make a greater impact.
are we still keen on uffie for next season...dont understand why waine wasnt replaced...seems illogical to me...uffie appears to have lost his way since he stopped hissing and roaring on the sideline...also the subs are weird...almost like he has little confidence in his non first 13 players....to go into next season with the current imports could be questionable apart from zawada and kraev...playing sasse and leaving old on the bench has proved counterproductive.i realise 4 of our imports are signed for next season but are they really up to scratch..personally id like to see greenie given an opportunity to prove his worth...perhaps the question is deeper than just changing uffie but it sure hasnt been a great season for him... maybe the club may be better advised to make up his mind for him as to whether his time is up
I think that not replacing Waine was correct. We were over loaded. The front four has since settled and the imports have had a good effect. We were carrying too many before and Waine was going to waste.
Give Greenie a go? Appointing a coach isn't really a 'give him a go' type of situation. This whole, 'give him a go' thing with players is bad enough; unless you're there at training every day and have a qualified eye, you cannot know if someone warrants a go.
Greenie may well be the guy who comes in for Talay. He's a great guy, well respected, well qualified, and has done his time. But this is professional football, so qualified eyes will make a call. Chef, Greenie and Temple could possibly all be due an internal promotion. Ironically the best person to judge his replacement is probably Talay.
My opinion, I'm not convinced on Talay. I like 3/4's of our tactical approach but some of it drives me nuts. There have been a few negative posters in this thread who I think have made good points.
As for the anger, I didn't like it and I'm glad it has subsided. We need to be better than this as a club.
It’s a game of fine margins. Kosta pops that in, Oli doesn’t gift them a goal, Kraev’s deflection goes in our favor and then we’re storming the keep at Adelaide and roaring into second.
Sasse over Old is an interesting one, but I’d argue that Sasse has been a lot better than we give him credit for. He’s moving the ball well, but hasn’t had anything spectacular stick. His corners are very dangerous, we’re just poor in the air recently and in this game in particular. If he had Stevie Taylor attacking his delivery imo he’d have a couple more assists. He’s hit the post a lot.
I think it’s actually fair to say that Kraev from earlier in the season would have at least scored a brace and maybe if Kosta squared to him a hatty. Possibly his form drop in front of goal cost us more than Sasse.
It’s odd to feel this buoyant after a 5-1, but we were a gnat’s hair away from dominating Adelaide, we just did it to ourselves in the end.
And I don’t think van Hattum is ready to be our impact sub, and I’m not sure why Uffie is persisting with him ahead of Old or Pennington who are much more accomplished footballers and likely to make a greater impact.
I like your points.
IMO Ball comes out before Sasse. Sasse can make things happen out of nothing
are we still keen on uffie for next season...dont understand why waine wasnt replaced...seems illogical to me...uffie appears to have lost his way since he stopped hissing and roaring on the sideline...also the subs are weird...almost like he has little confidence in his non first 13 players....to go into next season with the current imports could be questionable apart from zawada and kraev...playing sasse and leaving old on the bench has proved counterproductive.i realise 4 of our imports are signed for next season but are they really up to scratch..personally id like to see greenie given an opportunity to prove his worth...perhaps the question is deeper than just changing uffie but it sure hasnt been a great season for him... maybe the club may be better advised to make up his mind for him as to whether his time is up
Waine was replaced with Boxall because at the time we were in despearte nbeed of a CB, even though Boxall hasnt really been used and Wootten is back - and yes I know what you really mean is why we didnt get another striker - well we didnt really need one. Greenie has beent he interim coah on a number of occassions, and he's done ok, not sure if he has the quals he needs o do the job full time. Also I think we'd be working to keep Uffie for at least another 2 years.
As Reg said, one poor games does not determine the season, we sit 5th on 31 points, same as CCM. 3 points off 3rd, 6 off second. 5 matches to go, Victory(h), City(a), Roar(h), WSW(a), Macarthur(a) - City and WSW are ahead of us, WSW are beatable. Realistically we could come away with 6-10 points from a potential 15. Finishing the season on 37-41 points would see us in 3rd or 4th which is a home semi.
Did anyone read Rollo's weird argument that Talay should have benched Sail, but he hasn't because he's leaving at season end and he doesn't really care anymore?
Did anyone read Rollo's weird argument that Talay should have benched Sail, but he hasn't because he's leaving at season end and he doesn't really care anymore?
yeah very odd take, the manager might be leaving so he's not bothered by his #1 keeper making errors and doesnt care about his #2's development.
