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Ufuk Talay - Ufuked off to Sydney FC

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19 Aug 02:12
Hope he doesn't leave, but you would think Des, Danny and Greenie would be towards the top of the list if he does.
19 Aug 02:18
You'd think with the amount of investment the Nix have made into Greenacre he'd be the main candidate, and it would be a snub if they didn't bring him in. They even said the reason he was brought back to the academy system was to give him more head coaching experience.
19 Aug 02:20
Well given Danny Hay apparently had to do mediation because of things he did/said to the Future Ferns staff, I'm going to say it's unlikely the Nix will go anywhere near him. 
19 Aug 02:32 · edited 19 Aug 02:33 · History
His name is Postecoglou, not Pot!
19 Aug 02:34
A bit early in the piece for these types of discussions. Season still a month and a half away from starting. And from there who known's what's going to go down.
It really is a long off season !!
19 Aug 02:49
2ndBest
Well given Danny Hay apparently had to do mediation because of things he did/said to the Future Ferns staff, I'm going to say it's unlikely the Nix will go anywhere near him. 
We ever find out what that independent audit of the All Whites campaign was about? Rumors were flying around that things were improper, including a key staff member interacting with players while covid positive.
19 Aug 02:52
Ryan
You'd think with the amount of investment the Nix have made into Greenacre he'd be the main candidate, and it would be a snub if they didn't bring him in. They even said the reason he was brought back to the academy system was to give him more head coaching experience.
 It looks like Greenacre only has an A License, so if the rules still require non-Australian coaches to have a Pro License, then not sure Greenacre will be allowed (or Hay for that matter). Pro License isn't even offered in NZ either.
19 Aug 04:14
2ndBest
Well given Danny Hay apparently had to do mediation because of things he did/said to the Future Ferns staff, I'm going to say it's unlikely the Nix will go anywhere near him. 


That is confirmed as Hay and not another member of AWs coaching staff?

19 Aug 04:25 · edited 19 Aug 04:25 · History
harrymc55
His name is Postecoglou, not Pot!

My fault. Should have used Ange Pote, that's often the shortened version of his name used here in Aussie. The land of abridged names.

No different to folks calling ex AW Themistoklis Tzimopoulos - Themi for short.

Fine coach Ange. Big fan of his.

19 Aug 06:30
Ryan
2ndBest
Well given Danny Hay apparently had to do mediation because of things he did/said to the Future Ferns staff, I'm going to say it's unlikely the Nix will go anywhere near him. 
We ever find out what that independent audit of the All Whites campaign was about? Rumors were flying around that things were improper, including a key staff member interacting with players while covid positive.

Not officially. But a review of the campaign by an external party is not the norm. Report due after the Socceroos games, which I think is quite telling in of itself.
19 Aug 06:36
coochiee
2ndBest
Well given Danny Hay apparently had to do mediation because of things he did/said to the Future Ferns staff, I'm going to say it's unlikely the Nix will go anywhere near him. 


That is confirmed as Hay and not another member of AWs coaching staff?


I've been told it was him. Even if it wasn't, he's the boss so he's responsible.
19 Aug 07:04
2ndBest
coochiee
2ndBest
Well given Danny Hay apparently had to do mediation because of things he did/said to the Future Ferns staff, I'm going to say it's unlikely the Nix will go anywhere near him. 


That is confirmed as Hay and not another member of AWs coaching staff?


I've been told it was him. Even if it wasn't, he's the boss so he's responsible.

Okay fair enough. I'm ambivalent on whole is Hay a better coach than Buckingham or vice versa agrument. Though agree for sure, the latter was treated shabbily by NZF.

But 2nd Best you would clearly have Des's babies if that was physically possible!! He's obviously a mate after his years in NZ.

I'd just be disappointed, sad even - if these Hay rumours were true, and lots of dirty laundry gets aired once the review is completed. If so, yet again NZ Football shoots itself in the foot, when otherwise there is a lot of positive news about the sport, especially this group of young talented AWs going forward.
19 Aug 21:43
If Ufuk would like to run for the Upper Hutt city council, he'll get my vote. This guy seems to bring the best out of most of his players. Total respect. Although coaches themselves, like to test and push their own limits to see how far they can go and be successful. I'm praying Ufuk sees the Nix as an unfinished project of his own and sticks around until we at least win a grand final. I like his interviews where he speaks with honesty and sincerity. It's "Team Ufuk" for me!
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

19 Aug 23:02
LG
If Ufuk would like to run for the Upper Hutt city council, he'll get my vote. This guy seems to bring the best out of most of his players. Total respect. Although coaches themselves, like to test and push their own limits to see how far they can go and be successful. I'm praying Ufuk sees the Nix as an unfinished project of his own and sticks around until we at least win a grand final. I like his interviews where he speaks with honesty and sincerity. It's "Team Ufuk" for me!
As long as it doesn’t mean Wayne Guppy gets the Nix job.
05 Oct 23:25
https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/wellington-a-league-coach-open-to-leaving-club-im-very-frank-with-people-586012

Talay is bullish on Phoenix making a third finals series of his tenure and is also candid about his future plans.

An assistant under title-winner Steve Corica at Sydney FC and a former Young Socceroos coach, the 46-year-old admits this season could be his last in New Zealand.

"If there's anything in the pipeline for me, an opportunity to become better and be challenged maybe somewhere else, I'll let them know early doors so they can plan and program."
06 Oct 00:25
NZPhoenixFan
https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/wellington-a-league-coach-open-to-leaving-club-im-very-frank-with-people-586012

Talay is bullish on Phoenix making a third finals series of his tenure and is also candid about his future plans.

An assistant under title-winner Steve Corica at Sydney FC and a former Young Socceroos coach, the 46-year-old admits this season could be his last in New Zealand.

"If there's anything in the pipeline for me, an opportunity to become better and be challenged maybe somewhere else, I'll let them know early doors so they can plan and program."

Which means that the club need to start thinking sooner rather than later what the succession plan is
06 Oct 07:14
Walsall Boy
NZPhoenixFan
https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/wellington-a-league-coach-open-to-leaving-club-im-very-frank-with-people-586012

Talay is bullish on Phoenix making a third finals series of his tenure and is also candid about his future plans.

An assistant under title-winner Steve Corica at Sydney FC and a former Young Socceroos coach, the 46-year-old admits this season could be his last in New Zealand.

"If there's anything in the pipeline for me, an opportunity to become better and be challenged maybe somewhere else, I'll let them know early doors so they can plan and program."

Which means that the club need to start thinking sooner rather than later what the succession plan is

Don't they always just appoint Greenie?

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

06 Oct 07:22
Oi Oi Edgecumbe
Walsall Boy
NZPhoenixFan
https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/wellington-a-league-coach-open-to-leaving-club-im-very-frank-with-people-586012

Talay is bullish on Phoenix making a third finals series of his tenure and is also candid about his future plans.

An assistant under title-winner Steve Corica at Sydney FC and a former Young Socceroos coach, the 46-year-old admits this season could be his last in New Zealand.

"If there's anything in the pipeline for me, an opportunity to become better and be challenged maybe somewhere else, I'll let them know early doors so they can plan and program."

Which means that the club need to start thinking sooner rather than later what the succession plan is

Don't they always just appoint Greenie?
Only as an interim, never as the permanent.
06 Oct 21:11
Ryan
Oi Oi Edgecumbe
Walsall Boy
NZPhoenixFan
https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/wellington-a-league-coach-open-to-leaving-club-im-very-frank-with-people-586012

Talay is bullish on Phoenix making a third finals series of his tenure and is also candid about his future plans.

An assistant under title-winner Steve Corica at Sydney FC and a former Young Socceroos coach, the 46-year-old admits this season could be his last in New Zealand.

"If there's anything in the pipeline for me, an opportunity to become better and be challenged maybe somewhere else, I'll let them know early doors so they can plan and program."

Which means that the club need to start thinking sooner rather than later what the succession plan is

Don't they always just appoint Greenie?
Only as an interim, never as the permanent.
Does he have the required coaching licence to be full time head coach now? 
06 Oct 21:18
Walsall Boy
NZPhoenixFan
https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/wellington-a-league-coach-open-to-leaving-club-im-very-frank-with-people-586012

Talay is bullish on Phoenix making a third finals series of his tenure and is also candid about his future plans.

An assistant under title-winner Steve Corica at Sydney FC and a former Young Socceroos coach, the 46-year-old admits this season could be his last in New Zealand.

"If there's anything in the pipeline for me, an opportunity to become better and be challenged maybe somewhere else, I'll let them know early doors so they can plan and program."

Which means that the club need to start thinking sooner rather than later what the succession plan is
I wouldn't hold anything against Uffie if he decides to go elsewhere at the end of the season. He is an excellent manager, and clearly could go places overseas. He has seen out his contract and been professional throughout - which is more than you could say for a lot of our previous managers, and being up front about leaving if he does gives us the best chance of getting another winner in. In saying that, here's hoping he stays!
06 Oct 21:27
As long as Uffie sees out his contract then I'm happy. This season will be key to whether Dome and the owners want to extend/offer a new one - I'd expect they'd be keen to keep him on, but a change is nothing to worry about as long as it's the right one.

Queenslander 3x a year.

06 Oct 22:01
What will be a challenge if Uffie does go, is which of the players and assistant coaches he takes with him.
06 Oct 22:09
Walsall Boy
What will be a challenge if Uffie does go, is which of the players and assistant coaches he takes with him.
Shouldnt really be of any concern as long as it is only ones whose contracts have expired. Talay dosnt strike me as someone who would strip a club who he has helped put in a good position.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

06 Oct 23:05
Surely your first choice replacement is Chiefy with Greenacre assistant. If you can’t do that then you start looking further afield.
07 Oct 00:50
Friar Tuck
Surely your first choice replacement is Chiefy with Greenacre assistant. If you can’t do that then you start looking further afield.

Mentioned somewhere he does not have a good enough licence
07 Oct 01:08
Walsall Boy
Friar Tuck
Surely your first choice replacement is Chiefy with Greenacre assistant. If you can’t do that then you start looking further afield.

Mentioned somewhere he does not have a good enough licence
Giancarlo started his Pro Licence about 15 months ago. Assuming it’s completed by the time Uffie leaves, surely that’s good enough to be the head coach (provided he wants to stay on). Isn’t the order: Pro > A > B? I could be getting stuff wrong with the whole UEFA/FIFA/other confederations stuff though.
07 Oct 01:26
I passed my 11 plus: does that qualify me?
It was 64 years ago though. 
07 Oct 01:44
Friar Tuck
Walsall Boy
Friar Tuck
Surely your first choice replacement is Chiefy with Greenacre assistant. If you can’t do that then you start looking further afield.

Mentioned somewhere he does not have a good enough licence
Giancarlo started his Pro Licence about 15 months ago. Assuming it’s completed by the time Uffie leaves, surely that’s good enough to be the head coach (provided he wants to stay on). Isn’t the order: Pro > A > B? I could be getting stuff wrong with the whole UEFA/FIFA/other confederations stuff though.
I'm pretty sure it used to be Pro Licence required for non-Australians, and A Licence for Australians, without a New Zealand exception for the Phoenix, hence why they hired Australian coaches rather than NZ coaches. So for him it should be fine as is. Greenacre would need a Pro Licence, though it isn't offered in New Zealand, so he (and any NZer, hence why none have one) would have to move overseas to do it.

Of course, no guarantee Italiano stays if Talay goes, considering they joined together and assistants often follow head coaches.
07 Oct 04:59
carlind
Friar Tuck
Walsall Boy
Friar Tuck
Surely your first choice replacement is Chiefy with Greenacre assistant. If you can’t do that then you start looking further afield.

Mentioned somewhere he does not have a good enough licence
Giancarlo started his Pro Licence about 15 months ago. Assuming it’s completed by the time Uffie leaves, surely that’s good enough to be the head coach (provided he wants to stay on). Isn’t the order: Pro > A > B? I could be getting stuff wrong with the whole UEFA/FIFA/other confederations stuff though.
I'm pretty sure it used to be Pro Licence required for non-Australians, and A Licence for Australians, without a New Zealand exception for the Phoenix, hence why they hired Australian coaches rather than NZ coaches. So for him it should be fine as is. Greenacre would need a Pro Licence, though it isn't offered in New Zealand, so he (and any NZer, hence why none have one) would have to move overseas to do it.

Of course, no guarantee Italiano stays if Talay goes, considering they joined together and assistants often follow head coaches.

Opportunity to be head coach is the #1 reason assistant coaches part company with head coaches.
07 Oct 05:44
At the practice today, he could be heard giving out the instructions. Under Ricki, he did and said little. Luci Trana took the training. Under Ernie, he was pretty quiet. Ufuk is a real, get involved coach. I like that, he leave you in no doubt. Oh and he still has the ball skills.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

14 Oct 22:51
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F1ymKNx9c0&ab_channel=WellingtonPhoenixFC 

This is interesting, Uffie talks pretty openly about being interested in the All Whites job. Also discusses doing both Phoenix and AWs roles at once.
14 Oct 22:59 · edited 14 Oct 23:40 · History
Yep, he says no discussions have occurred but then said (when asked how it would work) "we'll find out" then corrects himself so it's clear he's thinking about applying.

I don't know what WelNix would think, I guess if there wasn't much overlap, but IIRC they weren't keen on doing it again after Herbert.
14 Oct 23:14
Trent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F1ymKNx9c0&ab_channel=WellingtonPhoenixFC 

This is interesting, Uffie talks pretty openly about being interested in the All Whites job. Also discusses doing both Phoenix and AWs roles at once.
That’s tasty. Interesting stuff.

“It would only work if there are no games in the early competition.”


14 Oct 23:44
I actually don't hate the idea of him doing both jobs. He will have a great insight into the Nix based players, it may benefit the nix and all whites having a similar playing style. I don't actually think it was bad having Ricki doing both.
14 Oct 23:48
If this is what it would take to cap a by then 35 year old David Ball in the All whites jersey I'm all about it.
15 Oct 00:05
Rock Hopper
If this is what it would take to cap a by then 35 year old David Ball in the All whites jersey I'm all about it.
A 27/28 year old Josh Laws would actually be an awesome player to convert and cap if he was keen. All Whites could certainly do with more CBs.
15 Oct 00:28
Great sign. Hinting an extension at Nix as well
15 Oct 00:51
If this is the case - Welnix need to swallow any pride/hard feelings to do with NZF and let Uffie do both jobs if he wants to. He's earned that license and has a good coaching team around him. 
15 Oct 01:30
Friar Tuck
Rock Hopper
If this is what it would take to cap a by then 35 year old David Ball in the All whites jersey I'm all about it.
A 27/28 year old Josh Laws would actually be an awesome player to convert and cap if he was keen. All Whites could certainly do with more CBs.
 
Holy heck hadn't even considered this. Could be a winner right there. 

Alright that's it everyone put aside the Des Buckingham return fantasies. This I'd the horse I'm backing. MAKE IT HAPPEN NZF!