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The Mythical Canberra A-League Bid

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05 Mar 03:11

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05 Mar 06:44
What about tassie?
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05 Mar 07:14
Elemenop
What about tassie?

What do you mean?  Auckland and Canberra are the approved new teams for next season 2024/25. 

Though Canberra look to be several months behind Auckland. 
Owners not confirmed. No coach or other staff announced. No rumoured player signings. Their chances of being all ready by new ALM season kick off in October must be in serious doubt. So it might become yes a 13 team ALM comp next season.

Any expansion plans beyond 14 teams, haven't really been discussed seriously yet by the APL. Noting the new National Second Tier (NST) is planned to kick off March 2025. The teams for that comp I'm guessing will be confirmed sometime midway this year.

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05 Mar 08:07 · edited 05 Mar 08:07 · History
Elemenop
What about tassie?
Competition between Football Tasmania's desire for an A-League bid and South Hobart FC trying to get into the National Second Division

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11 Mar 02:24
Canberra are going to seem miles behind the 8 ball, when Auckland announce a name, kit design and player signings this Thursday. 
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11 Mar 02:34
coochiee
Canberra are going to seem miles behind the 8 ball, when Auckland announce a name, kit design and player signings this Thursday. 

We're mid-March come the end of this week, and even if anything is announced in Canberra they're already four months behind anything that Auckland have managed, that's including having the run through of all the best off-contract A-League players.

The longer the wait goes on, the bigger the shambles will be. 

Either that or they simply won't have enough time and will be deferred out until 25/26...
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11 Mar 02:45 · edited 11 Mar 02:46 · History
YoungHeartHM
coochiee
Canberra are going to seem miles behind the 8 ball, when Auckland announce a name, kit design and player signings this Thursday. 

We're mid-March come the end of this week, and even if anything is announced in Canberra they're already four months behind anything that Auckland have managed, that's including having the run through of all the best off-contract A-League players.

The longer the wait goes on, the bigger the shambles will be. 

Either that or they simply won't have enough time and will be deferred out until 25/26...

They must now be on a similar tight timeline to what the Phoenix were in 2007, getting their licence on 19th March and playing their first ALM game against the VUC on 26th August. I guess that means Canberra will sign a 2024 version of Cleberson.

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11 Mar 02:49 · edited 11 Mar 02:50 · History
People will point to WSW who had a shorter lead in time & had success. But they had the full resources of the FFA behind them and had picked up some ex Socceroos who were released early from their deals.

Can't see Canberra getting that much help from the APL.
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11 Mar 23:57
coochiee
YoungHeartHM
coochiee
Canberra are going to seem miles behind the 8 ball, when Auckland announce a name, kit design and player signings this Thursday. 

We're mid-March come the end of this week, and even if anything is announced in Canberra they're already four months behind anything that Auckland have managed, that's including having the run through of all the best off-contract A-League players.

The longer the wait goes on, the bigger the shambles will be. 

Either that or they simply won't have enough time and will be deferred out until 25/26...

They must now be on a similar tight timeline to what the Phoenix were in 2007, getting their licence on 19th March and playing their first ALM game against the VUC on 26th August. I guess that means Canberra will sign a 2024 version of Cleberson.



Just remember, Cleberson was the one whom introduced the Phoenix wave.
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12 Mar 00:15
We will be forever grateful for it as well.

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19 Mar 01:46
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21 Mar 05:18
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21 Mar 06:51
Does that mean the Nix will no longer help finance them??
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21 Mar 06:53
LG
Does that mean the Nix will no longer help finance them??

We are not helping Canberra, just the Jets.
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21 Mar 08:22
RR
LG
Does that mean the Nix will no longer help finance them??

We are not helping Canberra, just the Jets.

The Jets deserve some pay back for "supporting us" during our hour of need. Time to voice our support and opinions.
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26 Mar 01:38
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19 Apr 03:09
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19 Apr 03:48 · edited 19 Apr 03:49 · History
That will suck for next season, with a bye round then likely, unless the Jets fold. 
Plus continued uneven draw, as with 13 teams a 24 game regular season would be too short - not enough content for Paramount

Though should mean a 3rd Nix verus Auckland derby game. The 2 clubs you think would lobby the APL for that, as part of the 2-3 teams they would each play 3 times.

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19 Apr 04:42
coochiee
That will suck for next season, with a bye round then likely, unless the Jets fold. 
Plus continued uneven draw, as with 13 teams a 24 game regular season would be too short - not enough content for Paramount

Though should mean a 3rd Nix verus Auckland derby game. The 2 clubs you think would lobby the APL for that, as part of the 2-3 teams they would each play 3 times.


Season has to be a minimum of 26 games for AFC qualification (their rules state 27 games but includes Cup matches & every ALM side plays one of them)
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22 Apr 23:26
No 14th expansion team is a sign of where the AL is at sadly. Maybe it's been too ambitious?

The reality is the league is on life support. Understandable why there's hesitation to pump money into a club that will play in a comp that could well and truly fold in the near future. Sad to say that's a real possibility.

Jets folding would be an absolute disaster. 
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23 Apr 00:33
InsulinMachine
No 14th expansion team is a sign of where the AL is at sadly. Maybe it's been too ambitious?

The reality is the league is on life support. Understandable why there's hesitation to pump money into a club that will play in a comp that could well and truly fold in the near future. Sad to say that's a real possibility.

Jets folding would be an absolute disaster. 

I'm more optimistic than that. I think the clubs are slowly learning to live more within their means, and reduce paying over the top wages. Last off season was easily a record for ALM transfer fee earnings, and I reckon this coming off season could be similar. 

League is maturing in a way, becoming the development league for younger players that it should be. The best of whom are sold to European clubs.

But the costly Keepup mess is something the APL need to learn from. They can't afford any more fudgeups like that. Hopefully the next TV/media rights deal is a bit more lucrative. The cheap Paramount one was signed up last minute during Covid??

It's better any new clubs like Canberra come in when they are fully ready & financially sound, rather than rushed. Then the National Second Tier (NST) gets up & running and the best & strongest clubs from that can slowly be invited into the ALM. I do like the idea of a gradual expansion to 20 teams, and then split into A1 & A2 divisions of 10 teams each with pro/rel. But there is no rush.

The heady days of signings like Yorke, Del Piero etc and consistently big crowds are gone. But optimistic the league will surivive if not exactly thrive.
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23 Apr 00:51
coochiee
InsulinMachine
No 14th expansion team is a sign of where the AL is at sadly. Maybe it's been too ambitious?

The reality is the league is on life support. Understandable why there's hesitation to pump money into a club that will play in a comp that could well and truly fold in the near future. Sad to say that's a real possibility.

Jets folding would be an absolute disaster. 

I'm more optimistic than that. I think the clubs are slowly learning to live more within their means, and reduce paying over the top wages. Last off season was easily a record for ALM transfer fee earnings, and I reckon this coming off season could be similar. 

League is maturing in a way, becoming the development league for younger players that it should be. The best of whom are sold to European clubs.

But the costly Keepup mess is something the APL need to learn from. They can't afford any more fudgeups like that. Hopefully the next TV/media rights deal is a bit more lucrative. The cheap Paramount one was signed up last minute during Covid??

It's better any new clubs like Canberra come in when they are fully ready & financially sound, rather than rushed. Then the National Second Tier (NST) gets up & running and the best & strongest clubs from that can slowly be invited into the ALM. I do like the idea of a gradual expansion to 20 teams, and then split into A1 & A2 divisions of 10 teams each with pro/rel. But there is no rush.

The heady days of signings like Yorke, Del Piero etc and consistently big crowds are gone. But optimistic the league will surivive if not exactly thrive.

I hope you're right. Although the TV deal bring more lucrative is a long shot. Some are questioning whether there will even be another TV deal at all... Anyone know how the viewing figures have been? Pretty certain they're not great.

I agree the league promoting local young talent sprinkle  with some experienced players is the right way to go and I personally have enjoyed the standard of football this year.

The league needs to shake its negative vibe. Nothing can grow in a negative environment. There's too much talk about poor crowds etc. It's ok to be a small fish in a large pond (which the ALM is) but you have to have a positive culture. I think WU are an example of this. They've been mocked for their crowds since their first season. Now they've got their infrastructure in place, it'll be interesting to see where they're headed in the coming years. If they succeed they'll have provided a blueprint for other clubs to follow. If they fail the league is doomed imo




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23 Apr 01:20 · edited 23 Apr 02:58 · History
Don't know about this season, but viewership figures for 2022-23 were well up on 2021-22 (Covid affected).

The Nix as one of the finalists would likely see a smaller GF TV audience, than if it was 2 Aussie teams to be fair.

https://www.theroar.com.au/2023/06/06/paramount-cock-a-hoop-with-grand-final-viewership-as-a-league-clocks-up-some-impressive-numbers/
However, the metrics from the stunning 6-1 Grand Final victory by the Central Coast Mariners over Melbourne City are worth shouting from the highest rooftop, particularly towards those people seemingly hell-bent on doing all they can to discredit and disrespect football in Australia at every opportunity.

The total national audience for the match was up 51 per cent on last years’ decider that saw Western United defeat a now repeat offending and choking Melbourne City.

The viewing audience was up 62 per cent in the 25-54 age demographic, 58 per cent in the over 50s and the total match audience was the largest since 2019. The match rated No.2 in its time slot on Network 10, based on total viewers and the key demographics.

https://ministryofsport.com/opportunities-await-australias-a-league-men-in-crowded-sports-market/
Viewership numbers have shown growth, with a 31% increase in aggregated minutes for the A-League Men’s and a 63% increase for the women’s league compared to the previous year. 


And yes agree with somewhat about Western United. Though they seem to be getting alot of help from their local Council re the new stadium etc. Western Melbourne is a huge growth corridor as Melbs popn (forecast to hit 8M by 2050) increases fast. It's at least 10 years since I visited the Western burbs there, but it always seemed like a souless boring housing estate wasteland. 

So I imagine Council and State Govt are very keen to have a successful sporting team based out there, to make the place a bit more interesting. I've seen plans out there for a big University, plus huge 'Silicon Valley' type project. Will probably be 1M+ popn out that ways soon enough.

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27 Apr 13:52
InsulinMachine
No 14th expansion team is a sign of where the AL is at sadly. Maybe it's been too ambitious?

The reality is the league is on life support. Understandable why there's hesitation to pump money into a club that will play in a comp that could well and truly fold in the near future. Sad to say that's a real possibility.

Jets folding would be an absolute disaster. 

Don't forget the MLS nearly died 20+ years ago and look where it is now. 

The A League has made many of the same mistakes.  While USA/Canada is not quite Australia/NZ, there are a lot of similarities there. I really hope those pulling the A League purse strings talk regularly to the MLS.
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27 Apr 19:14
Who knows, perhaps the Jets deal now being (reportedly) done will help get Canberra over the line too. APL can turn all their efforts to that. It's not the biggest deal for a team to get put together at short notice when there is no relegation. The Nix didn't get much time either after the last Knights fell. 
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26 May 07:37

So midweek games or byes?
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26 May 07:46
Sounds like a good thing. The A League is sounding pretty precarious these days and the fewer new teams likely to go the way of North Queensland and Gold Coast the better.

It’s fairly obvious the eagerness to expand clouded judgment and some poor decisions were made in the past. I hope to see the league expand in the future but it needs to be properly thought through.
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26 May 09:59
loyalgunner
Sounds like a good thing. The A League is sounding pretty precarious these days and the fewer new teams likely to go the way of North Queensland and Gold Coast the better.

It’s fairly obvious the eagerness to expand clouded judgment and some poor decisions were made in the past. I hope to see the league expand in the future but it needs to be properly thought through.

I agree but I still hope we see those two teams return in the future. 

The MLS had issues for a long long time in Miami but that's sorted now, hopefully the Gold Coast and Northern Queensland can sort it too.
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26 May 10:42 · edited 26 May 10:44 · History
Negatives - byes & a continued uneven draw (play some teams thrice & others just twice)

Positive - likely a 3rd Kiwi Klasico, for next season at least.
Round 4 (Mt Smart), Waitangi Day (ROF) & last game of regular season (who knows??)
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29 May 19:31
coochiee
Negatives - byes & a continued uneven draw (play some teams thrice & others just twice)

Positive - likely a 3rd Kiwi Klasico, for next season at least.
Round 4 (Mt Smart), Waitangi Day (ROF) & last game of regular season (who knows??)

CHC?
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29 May 20:58
When the Christchurch stadium is completed it would be crazy for the Phoenix / Auckland not to cash in on the hype. And if it's done in time for the 2026 World Cup, then an All Whites friendly would be huge.

I drive past the site a few times a week and it's looking awesome.  The location also couldn't be better.
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29 May 21:23
Domey on the pod mentioned ChCh as the obvious future destination to take a Nix ‘home’ game each season. They have a good relationship with Mainland Football

New stadium to be ready about April 2026 from memory 
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29 May 21:34
coochiee
Domey on the pod mentioned ChCh as the obvious future destination to take a Nix ‘home’ game each season. They have a good relationship with Mainland Football

New stadium to be ready about April 2026 from memory 
Is there any reason the current temporary CHCH stadium can't be used for a phoenix 'home' match this coming season in the mean time - I mean they will be needing for an alternative to AKL anyway and the Football Ferns played a couple of matches there the other month.


Sorry I know this is off topic for this thread, but just interested
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29 May 22:03
It sucks but it can be used. I'd still go. I doubt there'd be the hype that you'd get with the new stadium is all.
You cant just pick and choose which laws to follow. Sure Id like to tape a baseball game without the express written consent of major league baseball, but thats just not the way it works.-Hank Hill
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29 May 23:10
Addington is a pile of ugly scaffolding (well I was when I went to game there in 2017), but it's genuine rectangle close to the action. I'm sure the Nix are looking into it. Dome said on the podcast the commercial arrangements for ChCh (sponsors, Council??) were still a work in progress.

You'd think the shiny new expensive stadium will be keen for as many events/tenants as possible. I'm sure the Nix will take a game there, maybe regularly each season. Looks like it will be an awesome venue, and yeah in a great downtown location.
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