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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
If that was his only glaring miss you'd have a point.  He quite patently isn't a striker. Hard News2008-09-22 20:52:18

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whitby fever wrote:
Feverish wrote:
For those of you who say put McKain in the midfield - his passing to date has been cack


Ditto everyone else in the squad. At least he is comfortable on the ball, has a decent first touch and is not afraid to actually pass the ball forward.
 
depends if you count passing to their stikers feet or smashing the ball down the field aimlessly

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:
If that was his only glaring miss you'd have a point.  He quite patently isn't a striker.
 
he hasnt been playing striker mate..playing left or right midfield..or in behind the striker..
 
i feel he has been very attacking and creating chances with good runs on and off the ball..
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
whitby fever wrote:
Feverish wrote:
For those of you who say put McKain in the midfield - his passing to date has been cack
Ditto everyone else in the squad. At least he is comfortable on the ball, has a decent first touch and is not afraid to actually pass the ball forward.

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depends if you count passing to their stikers feet or smashing the ball down the field aimlessly


Aww come off it Feverish . . . Stop comparing him with Durante.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
mayze88 wrote:
Hard News wrote:
If that was his only glaring miss you'd have a point.  He quite patently isn't a striker.
 
he hasnt been playing striker mate..playing left or right midfield..or in behind the striker..
 
i feel he has been very attacking and creating chances with good runs on and off the ball..
 
An attacking midfielder should be able to get a decent shot on goal at least occasionally. Hearfield can't - his shooting has been weak, worse than Bertos and Ferrante.
 
That said, he didn't have bad game yesterday overall. He does work very hard but evidently he does not have the skill to break a game open with a moment of magic, something we sorely need in the attacking third at the moment.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
StopOut wrote:
mayze88 wrote:
Hard News wrote:
If that was his only glaring miss you'd have a point. He quite patently isn't a striker.


he hasnt been playing striker mate..playing left or right midfield..or in behind the striker..


i feel he has been very attacking and creating chances with good runs on and off the ball..


An attacking midfielder should be able to get a decent shot on goal at least occasionally. Hearfield can't - his shooting has been weak, worse than Bertos and Ferrante.


That said, he didn't have bad game yesterday overall. He does work very hard but evidently he does not have the skill to break a game open with a moment of magic, something we sorely need in the attacking third at the moment.


He has a fair bit of talent but appears to lack a bit of confidence, he is reputed to have a blistering shot but come game time his shots are not struck with conviction. Symptomatic of a team playing without confidence and a coach who shuffles the deck each week for his playing 11 and formation.
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whitby fever wrote:
StopOut wrote:
mayze88 wrote:
Hard News wrote:
If that was his only glaring miss you'd have a point. He quite patently isn't a striker.


he hasnt been playing striker mate..playing left or right midfield..or in behind the striker..


i feel he has been very attacking and creating chances with good runs on and off the ball..


An attacking midfielder should be able to get a decent shot on goal at least occasionally. Hearfield can't - his shooting has been weak, worse than Bertos and Ferrante.


That said, he didn't have bad game yesterday overall. He does work very hard but evidently he does not have the skill to break a game open with a moment of magic, something we sorely need in the attacking third at the moment.


He has a fair bit of talent but appears to lack a bit of confidence, he is reputed to have a blistering shot but come game time his shots are not struck with conviction. Symptomatic of a team playing without confidence and a coach who shuffles the deck each week for his playing 11 and formation.


yep or a young player. Didn't Paston say he had the hardest shot in Order of the 'nix? but also doesn't mean he can place a shot either. But obviously he's there on something he's been doing in training.


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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
give him time. one goal and then the flood gates will open.
look at matt simon, scored one goal now he has 4.
and hearfield is 10x better player then simon, so he'll will be ok.
he has a good shot on him..
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I feel the starting line up should be:
                                     Moss
 
                                    Durante
                       Sigmund             Lochhead
 
                              McKain Ferrante
 
         Hearfield                                       Bertos (Gao)
                                      Daniel
 
                             Smeltz    Kwasnik (Coveny)
 
Subs: Paston, Coveny (Kwasnik), Gao (Bertos) and Brown
 
Have durante playing behind his two fullbacks as a sweeper. Sigmund and Lochhead are to play man-to-man marking with the two strikers form the opposition. McKain and Ferrante to play as DM's in front of the defense to pick up the midfielders coming thru. This gives Daniel, Hearfield and Bertos (Gao) more chance to push forward. Two upfront being Smeltz and Kwasnik (Coveny) working off eachother. 2 upfront is better then one, as there is more support up there.
              
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
mayze88 wrote:
I feel the starting line up should be:
                                     Moss
 
                                    Durante
                       Sigmund             Lochhead
 
                              McKain Ferrante
 
         Hearfield                                       Bertos (Gao)
                                      Daniel
 
                             Smeltz    Kwasnik (Coveny)
 
Subs: Paston, Coveny (Kwasnik), Gao (Bertos) and Brown
 
Have durante playing behind his two fullbacks as a sweeper. Sigmund and Lochhead are to play man-to-man marking with the two strikers form the opposition. McKain and Ferrante to play as DM's in front of the defense to pick up the midfielders coming thru. This gives Daniel, Hearfield and Bertos (Gao) more chance to push forward. Two upfront being Smeltz and Kwasnik (Coveny) working off eachother. 2 upfront is better then one, as there is more support up there.
              



That looks good...Only if..................
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
mayze88 wrote:
I feel the starting line up should be:
                                     Moss
 
                                    Durante
                       Sigmund             Lochhead
 
                              McKain Ferrante
 
         Hearfield                                       Bertos (Gao)
                                      Daniel
 
                             Smeltz    Kwasnik (Coveny)
 
Subs: Paston, Coveny (Kwasnik), Gao (Bertos) and Brown


That does look like quite a strong line-up there.  Infact that is the only line-up I would keep McKain on in, so far this season he has epitomized mediocrity.

Personally, I'd go with the following:

                                     Moss

Mulligan         Sigmund      Durante      Lochhead

                     Ferrante

Hearfield                           Bertos            Daniel

                      Smeltz         Barbarouses

Bench:
Coveny
Christie
Gao
McKain
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
whitby fever wrote:
Feverish wrote:
For those of you who say put McKain in the midfield - his passing to date has been cack


Ditto everyone else in the squad. At least he is comfortable on the ball, has a decent first touch and is not afraid to actually pass the ball forward.
 
depends if you count passing to their stikers feet or smashing the ball down the field aimlessly


He hasn't been any worse than any others in that regard. Especially Mulligan. I'd like to see him at DM as well.
I like tautologies because I like them.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Is Bertos still not match fit??

Oska2008-09-23 09:15:39
You know we belong together...

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

All I know is as fans, when the chips are down we need to dig deep.

Be in full voice, and lets help lift the Nix's confidence from the side. 12th player if you want. Everyone should pack out aisle 22 and go f**kin mental

I say tackle him in the face.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
For those of you who say put McKain in the midfield� - his passing to date has been cack


There's some truth to that, but having watched him from early pre-season, I still think he's the best option in DM ahead of Dodd, Johnson and Brown.
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2-1 Nix                        
                         Moss
 
Sigmund---McKain---Durante---Lochead


        Gao----Daniel----Ferrente
  

Hearfield         Smeltz              Bertos
 
Bench
Paston
Johnson
Coveny
Mulligan
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Sorry mate, but that has to be the worst bench ever. Only Paston should be there.
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-------------------Moss
 
Sigmund---McKain---Durante---Lochead

Gao------Plodder-----Brown------Kwasnik

--------------Daniel-----Smeltz

Forgot Subs
Paston
Covs
Hearfield
Dodd

Hard News2008-09-23 10:15:40

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
el grapadura wrote:
Sorry mate, but that has to be the worst bench ever. Only Paston should be there.
 
Funny that because given the choice Paston he is the one i would not have there. I believe the others whilst are yet to perform for 90min would be better impact players. They are the one's that have shown at least to have a bit of dog in them and would be better for 30, 20 or 10 minutes.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I love the idea of daniel being up front. as long as he gets the ball.
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Stefan wrote:
I love the idea of daniel being up front. as long as he gets the ball.
 
Agree IF he gets the ball.
 
Does he have the speed though when he doesn't get the ball? He can be tricky and most of his passes are silky smooth and accurate but great strikers are jack of all trades
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
If he pulls a back heel or something doesn't come off we've given away possession in the opposition penalty area, not on halfway.  If it comes off it can create a goal.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Daniel doesn't have speed full stop.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
If we are going to keep constantly changing formations we should try something like this:

                 Moss

Sigmund - McKain - Durante

                 Brown

Hearfield - Ferrante - Gao

                 Daniel

         Kwasnik - Smeltz

This way we can have ball going through the middle (for once), but also have Hearfield and Gao to provide width.  Maybe swap Gao and Daniel over as Daniel is better crosser than Gao.

I would bring Costa on for a cameo round the 65 -70 minute mark, either on the left or upfront, use his pace.

I know some people will question 3 at the back but Brown's there to provide cover, I don't know that he's the best option there but I don't like Johnson at all and Dodd should only play CB imo.

I also think Kwasnik needs more of a go, looking at his past record he is a proven goal scorer.  Would be delighted to see Siggy getting game time

Any thoughts?
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:
If he pulls a back heel or something doesn't come off we've given away possession in the opposition penalty area, not on halfway.  If it comes off it can create a goal.
 
If he gets the ball and flicks on, nutmegs the defender, lays on Smeltz it may or may not result in a goal and means break down may or may not happen in the 18y  - theirs not ours. But is that the best reason to play him up front?
 
Thats a little like saying lets play McKain up front so he doesn't give away penalties and he may pull a pass or two off and set a few up.
 
Hes not a striker. I think behind the front two. but not up front
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
No place for Lochead? Know he hasn't been at his best so far, but I saw some promising signs for him gainst Perth. Wouldn't like to see him dropped, I think he's one guy we have who might be close to being where he was last season.

EDIT: In response to Caseym's formation.el grapadura2008-09-23 10:35:55
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Or alternatively my FM08 wonder tactic:

                               Moss
 
              Sigmund - McKain - Durante

Hearfield                                             Lochhead (Wingbacks)

                       Ferrante - Gao
    
                            Daniel

                     Kwasnik - Smeltz

Ferrante slightly defesnive minded, controlling play, Gao more attacking and Daniel coming through as the 3rd striker option....
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I have always thought that daniel would be good to put up front. if he can get past wing defenders I dont see why he cant get past the central ones. If he and smeltz work together (And I mean WORK) we could have alot more opportunities. All we need to do is get the midfeild sorted out so they can have plenty of scoring opportunities.
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el grapadura wrote:
No place for Lochead? Know he hasn't been at his best so far, but I saw some promising signs for him gainst Perth. Wouldn't like to see him dropped, I think he's one guy we have who might be close to being where he was last season.

EDIT: In response to Caseym's formation.


I like him very much, he is brilliant but maybe a stint on sidelines may help him buck his ideas up, otherwise as a sub.  He could start in Gao position
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I agree, If lochead starts a sub for at least one game I think that he may start thinking and wanting to improve. Nobody likes being a sub.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
caseym wrote:
Any thoughts?


No.

We do not need to revert to 3 at the back.

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I would rather concede 1 and score some, any, at least 1 than conceding 0-1-2 and not scoring any AT ALL, thats why I am thinking an attacking focus different to Ricki so called attacking focus vs Perth, that was REALLY effective
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
3 at the back?
Not the best idea... unless durante goes sweeper its a good idea.
 
Loving the user name Arsenal.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
My 2nd idea, this one:

     Moss
 
              Sigmund - McKain - Durante

Hearfield                                             Lochhead (Wingbacks)

                       Ferrante - Gao
    
                            Daniel

                     Kwasnik - Smeltz

Has 5 at the back (including the wingbacks) and when they go forward it's Ferrante's objective to drop back and cover, so we have 4-5 back, plus more attacking prescence than usual
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caseym wrote:
My 2nd idea, this one:

     Moss
 
              Sigmund - McKain - Durante

Hearfield                                             Lochhead (Wingbacks)

                       Ferrante - Gao
    
                            Daniel

                     Kwasnik - Smeltz

Has 5 at the back (including the wingbacks) and when they go forward it's Ferrante's objective to drop back and cover, so we have 4-5 back, plus more attacking prescence than usual


Thats the std structure I use on FM08 (successfully too lol)

E + R + O

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah same, with this tactic Aston Villa are now English and European champs 

But I guess thats with Kaka, Aguero, Mikel, Enyeama...
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hmm, I could probably do with a new laptop...might have to dust off the cape...does doing any additional PMW stuff help in the choice for who wins the laptop?
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:


From where might one secure said cape/s? Club shop?


E + R + O

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