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2015/16 Transfer Speculation

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about 10 years ago · edited about 10 years ago · History

I don't know, I'd like to see Kiwi players distributed as foreigners throughout the A-League, we don't want to be in the situation where we loose 7 players every international window again. If we want to win the A-League we can't afford to drop those games.

Otherwise Bill Tuiloma needs to come and get some game time at a high level as well.

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about 10 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

Marco needs to come home, I don't think his european tour has really worked out as it could have. Kosta coming back would make for a nice attacking pairing of him and Krishna. All be it a short attack but potent on the floor so to speak.

How much would Marco be earning over there? Would he get that here? What would really be the benefit to him of coming home?
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about 10 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Roly wants to go anyway [onto bigger things] so that might not be too bas a scenario.

Everything I've seen from Roly was that he was loving it here with the freedom he gets outside of europe and the pace of the game, that was admittedly before the season derailed. But didn't he say something like he wants to stay here until we win it? Unless someone here with inside knowledge from the team or is friends with him knows better there hasn't been any indication that he wants to move on.

If we sell him it's not the end of the world as WeeMac tends to play better when Rolly isn't around, but I hope we get a pretty penny.

I'm pretty certain it was widely reported that he said he wanted to move to a big club or something like that.
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about 10 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Roly wants to go anyway [onto bigger things] so that might not be too bas a scenario.

Everything I've seen from Roly was that he was loving it here with the freedom he gets outside of europe and the pace of the game, that was admittedly before the season derailed. But didn't he say something like he wants to stay here until we win it? Unless someone here with inside knowledge from the team or is friends with him knows better there hasn't been any indication that he wants to move on.

If we sell him it's not the end of the world as WeeMac tends to play better when Rolly isn't around, but I hope we get a pretty penny.

I'm pretty certain it was widely reported that he said he wanted to move to a big club or something like that.

Na probably figures if he moves to an Aussie club might be less chance of having the shyte kicked out of him every week for buggar all penalty,

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about 10 years ago

Marco's been playing pretty regularly at Thun, including Europa league qualifiers. Sure, it's not the Bundesliga but it would be ridiculously harsh to paint his European trip as a failure

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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about 10 years ago

Marco's been playing pretty regularly at Thun, including Europa league qualifiers. Sure, it's not the Bundesliga but it would be ridiculously harsh to paint his European trip as a failure

We haven't had any evidence that his game has progressed from his time with Ange at Melbourne. Jury out.



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about 10 years ago

I think if Marco came back it might help him rediscover some form as such. His injuries and the clubs treatment must have had an effect on him.

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about 10 years ago

YES FUCKING PLEASE KOSTA COME HOME    HE SHOUTED

                                                                        COYN    

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about 10 years ago

Marco may come home now we have Martin Luckie Park as a training base (allegedly)

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about 10 years ago

Major announcement?

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about 10 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Major announcement?

Temperatures are to remain high....oh and no news to report from the FFA.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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about 10 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Major announcement?

We are setting up a beach football side to play on Gareth's new beach.
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about 10 years ago

The FFA are allowing Fever fans to light flares so they can turn around and ban us for lighting flares!

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about 10 years ago

Marco's been playing pretty regularly at Thun, including Europa league qualifiers. Sure, it's not the Bundesliga but it would be ridiculously harsh to paint his European trip as a failure

It has been a massive failure. He has spent the majority of his time injured. He left Australasia as the best player and he signed for a big European club. He hasn't played at all in the Bundesliga, barely played in the 2. Bundesliga and now it is questionable whether he is really in the starting XI in the Swiss Super League. I think we all had bigger hopes for Rojas and I think those hopes could yet be achieved. For now we have to say it was a failure though.

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about 10 years ago · edited about 10 years ago · History

I think his best chance is to come back like Burns and use the A-League to launch him to somewhere at a similar level to the K-League or J-League.

a.haak

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about 10 years ago

please let the kosta rumors be true . i like him and would welcome him back

I LOVE LAMP

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about 10 years ago

Ryan54 wrote:

Marco's been playing pretty regularly at Thun, including Europa league qualifiers. Sure, it's not the Bundesliga but it would be ridiculously harsh to paint his European trip as a failure

It has been a massive failure. He has spent the majority of his time injured. He left Australasia as the best player and he signed for a big European club. He hasn't played at all in the Bundesliga, barely played in the 2. Bundesliga and now it is questionable whether he is really in the starting XI in the Swiss Super League. I think we all had bigger hopes for Rojas and I think those hopes could yet be achieved. For now we have to say it was a failure though.

He has been unlucky with injuries but that is football isn't it? Obviously the time in Germany was a failure, but my thinking is that his time at Thun hasn't been. He has had injuries there too but has generally been playing quite often when fit. Thun are a decent side and the Swiss league isn't bad. If anything, he's finally reached a point where it looks like the situation is turning around and he could make a fist of staying in Europe as a professional at a decent level. Why come back to the A League now? It would have made sense after a year of not playing in Germany, but I would think now he'd like to see what his options in Europe are when his contract runs out before coming home.

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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about 10 years ago

Ryan54 wrote:

Marco's been playing pretty regularly at Thun, including Europa league qualifiers. Sure, it's not the Bundesliga but it would be ridiculously harsh to paint his European trip as a failure

It has been a massive failure. He has spent the majority of his time injured. He left Australasia as the best player and he signed for a big European club. He hasn't played at all in the Bundesliga, barely played in the 2. Bundesliga and now it is questionable whether he is really in the starting XI in the Swiss Super League. I think we all had bigger hopes for Rojas and I think those hopes could yet be achieved. For now we have to say it was a failure though.

He has been unlucky with injuries but that is football isn't it? Obviously the time in Germany was a failure, but my thinking is that his time at Thun hasn't been. He has had injuries there too but has generally been playing quite often when fit. Thun are a decent side and the Swiss league isn't bad. If anything, he's finally reached a point where it looks like the situation is turning around and he could make a fist of staying in Europe as a professional at a decent level. Why come back to the A League now? It would have made sense after a year of not playing in Germany, but I would think now he'd like to see what his options in Europe are when his contract runs out before coming home.

If TransferMarkt is accurate with Marco's injury history, he has missed 53 games (about 2 HAL seasons) of games due to injuries since signing for VfB

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about 10 years ago

Bullion wrote:

Ryan54 wrote:

Marco's been playing pretty regularly at Thun, including Europa league qualifiers. Sure, it's not the Bundesliga but it would be ridiculously harsh to paint his European trip as a failure

It has been a massive failure. He has spent the majority of his time injured. He left Australasia as the best player and he signed for a big European club. He hasn't played at all in the Bundesliga, barely played in the 2. Bundesliga and now it is questionable whether he is really in the starting XI in the Swiss Super League. I think we all had bigger hopes for Rojas and I think those hopes could yet be achieved. For now we have to say it was a failure though.

He has been unlucky with injuries but that is football isn't it? Obviously the time in Germany was a failure, but my thinking is that his time at Thun hasn't been. He has had injuries there too but has generally been playing quite often when fit. Thun are a decent side and the Swiss league isn't bad. If anything, he's finally reached a point where it looks like the situation is turning around and he could make a fist of staying in Europe as a professional at a decent level. Why come back to the A League now? It would have made sense after a year of not playing in Germany, but I would think now he'd like to see what his options in Europe are when his contract runs out before coming home.

If TransferMarkt is accurate with Marco's injury history, he has missed 53 games (about 2 HAL seasons) of games due to injuries since signing for VfB

He may missed them here as well.Question is, would you go to VFB/Thun doctor/physio or one here?

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about 10 years ago

Ryan54 wrote:

Marco's been playing pretty regularly at Thun, including Europa league qualifiers. Sure, it's not the Bundesliga but it would be ridiculously harsh to paint his European trip as a failure

It has been a massive failure. He has spent the majority of his time injured. He left Australasia as the best player and he signed for a big European club. He hasn't played at all in the Bundesliga, barely played in the 2. Bundesliga and now it is questionable whether he is really in the starting XI in the Swiss Super League. I think we all had bigger hopes for Rojas and I think those hopes could yet be achieved. For now we have to say it was a failure though.

Agree. So would the VfB fan I saw wearing a Rojas shirt here on holiday on K Rd after he signed for them. I spoke to him and he actually thought Marco was not only their major signing but was going to be their star player for the coming season!

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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about 10 years ago

Simon Hampton deleted his tweet so maybe no announcement today after all?

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about 10 years ago · edited about 10 years ago · History

number8 wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Ryan54 wrote:

Marco's been playing pretty regularly at Thun, including Europa league qualifiers. Sure, it's not the Bundesliga but it would be ridiculously harsh to paint his European trip as a failure

It has been a massive failure. He has spent the majority of his time injured. He left Australasia as the best player and he signed for a big European club. He hasn't played at all in the Bundesliga, barely played in the 2. Bundesliga and now it is questionable whether he is really in the starting XI in the Swiss Super League. I think we all had bigger hopes for Rojas and I think those hopes could yet be achieved. For now we have to say it was a failure though.

He has been unlucky with injuries but that is football isn't it? Obviously the time in Germany was a failure, but my thinking is that his time at Thun hasn't been. He has had injuries there too but has generally been playing quite often when fit. Thun are a decent side and the Swiss league isn't bad. If anything, he's finally reached a point where it looks like the situation is turning around and he could make a fist of staying in Europe as a professional at a decent level. Why come back to the A League now? It would have made sense after a year of not playing in Germany, but I would think now he'd like to see what his options in Europe are when his contract runs out before coming home.

If TransferMarkt is accurate with Marco's injury history, he has missed 53 games (about 2 HAL seasons) of games due to injuries since signing for VfB

He may missed them here as well.Question is, would you go to VFB/Thun doctor/physio or one here?

Exactly. Also, comparing number of games missed to HAL season length is a bit odd, seeing as Euro teams generally play a lot more games. Time, rather than games, missed makes more sense.

Anyway, I'm not saying Marco's transfer to Europe has been a roaring success because clearly it hasn't. But that doesn't make it a failure either. It can be in between.

He left here as a great A League player but he could have just as easily had injuries and a corresponding drop in form here too if he hadn't gone. And then he'd be getting paid less and be further away from establishing a career in Europe than he currently is.

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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about 10 years ago

Jerzy Merino wrote:

Ryan54 wrote:

Marco's been playing pretty regularly at Thun, including Europa league qualifiers. Sure, it's not the Bundesliga but it would be ridiculously harsh to paint his European trip as a failure

It has been a massive failure. He has spent the majority of his time injured. He left Australasia as the best player and he signed for a big European club. He hasn't played at all in the Bundesliga, barely played in the 2. Bundesliga and now it is questionable whether he is really in the starting XI in the Swiss Super League. I think we all had bigger hopes for Rojas and I think those hopes could yet be achieved. For now we have to say it was a failure though.

Agree. So would the VfB fan I saw wearing a Rojas shirt here on holiday on K Rd after he signed for them. I spoke to him and he actually thought Marco was not only their major signing but was going to be their star player for the coming season!

Can't blame the player for not living up to fans' unrealistic expectations. I'd guess this German guy hadn't seen much A League football or he wouldn't have expected a player from it to walk in and be an instant star in one of the toughest leagues in the world.

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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about 10 years ago

Jerzy Merino wrote:

Ryan54 wrote:

Marco's been playing pretty regularly at Thun, including Europa league qualifiers. Sure, it's not the Bundesliga but it would be ridiculously harsh to paint his European trip as a failure

It has been a massive failure. He has spent the majority of his time injured. He left Australasia as the best player and he signed for a big European club. He hasn't played at all in the Bundesliga, barely played in the 2. Bundesliga and now it is questionable whether he is really in the starting XI in the Swiss Super League. I think we all had bigger hopes for Rojas and I think those hopes could yet be achieved. For now we have to say it was a failure though.

Agree. So would the VfB fan I saw wearing a Rojas shirt here on holiday on K Rd after he signed for them. I spoke to him and he actually thought Marco was not only their major signing but was going to be their star player for the coming season!

Can't blame the player for not living up to fans' unrealistic expectations. 

Yes you can!

A fan is a fan.

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about 10 years ago

Ryan54 wrote:

Marco's been playing pretty regularly at Thun, including Europa league qualifiers. Sure, it's not the Bundesliga but it would be ridiculously harsh to paint his European trip as a failure

It has been a massive failure. He has spent the majority of his time injured. He left Australasia as the best player and he signed for a big European club. He hasn't played at all in the Bundesliga, barely played in the 2. Bundesliga and now it is questionable whether he is really in the starting XI in the Swiss Super League. I think we all had bigger hopes for Rojas and I think those hopes could yet be achieved. For now we have to say it was a failure though.

He has been unlucky with injuries but that is football isn't it? Obviously the time in Germany was a failure, but my thinking is that his time at Thun hasn't been. He has had injuries there too but has generally been playing quite often when fit. Thun are a decent side and the Swiss league isn't bad. If anything, he's finally reached a point where it looks like the situation is turning around and he could make a fist of staying in Europe as a professional at a decent level. Why come back to the A League now? It would have made sense after a year of not playing in Germany, but I would think now he'd like to see what his options in Europe are when his contract runs out before coming home.

What if Wynton Rufer had come home because he was only playing in Switzerland?
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about 10 years ago · edited about 10 years ago · History

number8 wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Ryan54 wrote:

Marco's been playing pretty regularly at Thun, including Europa league qualifiers. Sure, it's not the Bundesliga but it would be ridiculously harsh to paint his European trip as a failure

It has been a massive failure. He has spent the majority of his time injured. He left Australasia as the best player and he signed for a big European club. He hasn't played at all in the Bundesliga, barely played in the 2. Bundesliga and now it is questionable whether he is really in the starting XI in the Swiss Super League. I think we all had bigger hopes for Rojas and I think those hopes could yet be achieved. For now we have to say it was a failure though.

He has been unlucky with injuries but that is football isn't it? Obviously the time in Germany was a failure, but my thinking is that his time at Thun hasn't been. He has had injuries there too but has generally been playing quite often when fit. Thun are a decent side and the Swiss league isn't bad. If anything, he's finally reached a point where it looks like the situation is turning around and he could make a fist of staying in Europe as a professional at a decent level. Why come back to the A League now? It would have made sense after a year of not playing in Germany, but I would think now he'd like to see what his options in Europe are when his contract runs out before coming home.

If TransferMarkt is accurate with Marco's injury history, he has missed 53 games (about 2 HAL seasons) of games due to injuries since signing for VfB

He may missed them here as well.Question is, would you go to VFB/Thun doctor/physio or one here?

Exactly. Also, comparing number of games missed to HAL season length is a bit odd, seeing as Euro teams generally play a lot more games. Time, rather than games, missed makes more sense.

Anyway, I'm not saying Marco's transfer to Europe has been a roaring success because clearly it hasn't. But that doesn't make it a failure either. It can be in between.

He left here as a great A League player but he could have just as easily had injuries and a corresponding drop in form here too if he hadn't gone. And then he'd be getting paid less and be further away from establishing a career in Europe than he currently is.

Yeah, he may have missed games here. I do find it interesting that often players go from the HAL and pick up injuries more frequently than they did here - the amount of games/training intensity most likely the reason. Compared to HAL seasons as context, does 212 days make any difference? (the last injury was 35 days but missed only 3 games due to winter break, Thun had no games from middle of Dec until early Feb, so time can also not make as much sense)

I am no way advocating he MUST come back, he got 45min over the weekend (first since injury) and in that period helped Thun overturn a 1-0 deficit and won 2-1. He is still contracted to VfB and seems fairly settled in Switzerland. Interestingly Marc Janko is top scorer.

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about 10 years ago

Marco doesn't seem great at adapting to any game plan. He needs a manager who focuses on what his strengths are. Also remember he had a crap year in Melbourne before his resurgence, and a year (or two?) with very little playing time for us. 



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about 10 years ago

Rojas was injured his fair share when he played here too iirc. 


Allegedly

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about 10 years ago

Tegal wrote:

Rojas was injured his fair share when he played here too iirc. 

Crap training facilities

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about 10 years ago

Hard News wrote:

Not sure the worl footballing landscape is the same these days NP

Absolutely true, but [for those old enough] you may recall Wynton tried Norwich City but had visa problems and ended up playing in 2 Swiss clubs IIRC. At that point he might easily have said 'enough, I'll go back home because I'm not playing in a big European club'. I think if Marco comes back, it would be a backward step. 
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about 10 years ago

Hard News wrote:

Not sure the worl footballing landscape is the same these days NP

Absolutely true, but [for those old enough] you may recall Wynton tried Norwich City but had visa problems and ended up playing in 2 Swiss clubs IIRC. At that point he might easily have said 'enough, I'll go back home because I'm not playing in a big European club'. I think if Marco comes back, it would be a backward step. 

 He was just working his way back into Norwich City contention

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about 10 years ago

Hawke’s Bay United striker and former Phoenix Football School of Excellence player Hamish Watson has joined the Hyundai A-League club as an injury replacement for Roy Krishna.

Since leaving the FSE Watson made two appearances for the Phoenix and has played in England with Grimsby Town and Gainsborough Trinity before returning to New Zealand and joining Hawke’s Bay where he has been in fine form,

Phoenix General Manager David Dome said his club was grateful to Hawke’s Bay United for allowing Watson to make the move

Founder

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about 10 years ago

Surprising it's taken this long. Too late to help now, really..

a.haak

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about 10 years ago

Feverish wrote:

Hawke’s Bay United striker and former Phoenix Football School of Excellence player Hamish Watson has joined the Hyundai A-League club as an injury replacement for Roy Krishna.

Since leaving the FSE Watson made two appearances for the Phoenix and has played in England with Grimsby Town and Gainsborough Trinity before returning to New Zealand and joining Hawke’s Bay where he has been in fine form,

Phoenix General Manager David Dome said his club was grateful to Hawke’s Bay United for allowing Watson to make the move



#PhoenixAnnouncement

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about 10 years ago

I hope Watson is actually going to get some game time,seems pointless otherwise.

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about 10 years ago

one_eyed_nik wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Hawke’s Bay United striker and former Phoenix Football School of Excellence player Hamish Watson has joined the Hyundai A-League club as an injury replacement for Roy Krishna.

Since leaving the FSE Watson made two appearances for the Phoenix and has played in England with Grimsby Town and Gainsborough Trinity before returning to New Zealand and joining Hawke’s Bay where he has been in fine form,

Phoenix General Manager David Dome said his club was grateful to Hawke’s Bay United for allowing Watson to make the move


#minorPhoenixAnnouncement

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"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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about 10 years ago

probably too little too late

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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about 10 years ago

something about horses and stable doors spings to mind..

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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