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2015/16 Transfer Speculation

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over 10 years ago

Marto wrote:

Ryan54 wrote:

Durante and Sigmund were great last season. Both players had their best seasons in a while. In saying that, I think we should have looked to bring in another centre back. We could be facing a situation next season or the one after where we have to bring in two new centre backs. Ideally, we would give a youngish player a year on the bench to develop. If we don't want to sign a young centre back and develop them then that means we are going to have to use visa spots on a centre back which would dminish our depth in midfield. 

Hopefully Roy will be a kiwi by then freeing one of those spots.

And Riera
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over 10 years ago

Bullion wrote:

Marto wrote:

Ryan54 wrote:

Durante and Sigmund were great last season. Both players had their best seasons in a while. In saying that, I think we should have looked to bring in another centre back. We could be facing a situation next season or the one after where we have to bring in two new centre backs. Ideally, we would give a youngish player a year on the bench to develop. If we don't want to sign a young centre back and develop them then that means we are going to have to use visa spots on a centre back which would dminish our depth in midfield. 

Hopefully Roy will be a kiwi by then freeing one of those spots.

And Riera

This is much more likely IMO. Next year he'll be in NZ for 5 years and I'm sure Hudson will be keen for him to play for the AWs, so his citizenship will be fast tracked.




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over 10 years ago

I'm surprised Hudson hasn't thought 4 years is good enough and played him already. 


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over 10 years ago

Despite how good Riera is for us, I don't think he's the answer at national level. I think it will be a bit like Dura - won't quite step up to that level.

Though in saying that - beggars can't be choosers I suppose.

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over 10 years ago

valeo wrote:

Despite how good Riera is for us, I don't think he's the answer at national level. I think it will be a bit like Dura - won't quite step up to that level.  Though in saying that - beggars can't be choosers I suppose.

By the time he is a Kiwi the AW level will come down even more and so he'll fit right in.

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valeo wrote:

Despite how good Riera is for us, I don't think he's the answer at national level. I think it will be a bit like Dura - won't quite step up to that level.

Though in saying that - beggars can't be choosers I suppose.

Really? I can't think of a single Kiwi defensive midfielder currently playing who would be better than him. Maybe Tuiloma in the future but not right now.




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over 10 years ago
Cahill please
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over 10 years ago

hepatitis wrote:
Cahill please
So we can end up crossing the ball into the box for 90 mins a week like we did under Ricki?
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over 10 years ago

RR wrote:

hepatitis wrote:
Cahill please
So we can end up crossing the ball into the box for 90 mins a week like we did under Ricki?

hardly changed, just passing it to defenders in the box now..

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over 10 years ago

Ryan54 wrote:

Durante and Sigmund were great last season. Both players had their best seasons in a while. In saying that, I think we should have looked to bring in another centre back. We could be facing a situation next season or the one after where we have to bring in two new centre backs. Ideally, we would give a youngish player a year on the bench to develop. If we don't want to sign a young centre back and develop them then that means we are going to have to use visa spots on a centre back which would dminish our depth in midfield. 

But Boxall was that cover. How do you plan for an unmatchable offer?
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sthn.jeff wrote:

Ryan54 wrote:

Durante and Sigmund were great last season. Both players had their best seasons in a while. In saying that, I think we should have looked to bring in another centre back. We could be facing a situation next season or the one after where we have to bring in two new centre backs. Ideally, we would give a youngish player a year on the bench to develop. If we don't want to sign a young centre back and develop them then that means we are going to have to use visa spots on a centre back which would dminish our depth in midfield. 

But Boxall was that cover. How do you plan for an unmatchable offer?

Boxall is getting more money in Pretoria which perhaps is enough of a reason, but he also gets to play regularly.

He was clearly aching for more game time, not keen to be waiting patiently "till his time comes" - at 27, you can't blame him.

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over 10 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

Ryan54 wrote:

Durante and Sigmund were great last season. Both players had their best seasons in a while. In saying that, I think we should have looked to bring in another centre back. We could be facing a situation next season or the one after where we have to bring in two new centre backs. Ideally, we would give a youngish player a year on the bench to develop. If we don't want to sign a young centre back and develop them then that means we are going to have to use visa spots on a centre back which would dminish our depth in midfield. 

But Boxall was that cover. How do you plan for an unmatchable offer?

You can't, I just would have expected a more experienced signing in the backs oer the off-season. We have the young boys right now but they could be a bit further away than we need them to be.

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over 10 years ago

And which aussie or kiwi CB would you target.

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over 10 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

And which aussie or kiwi CB would you target.

So they couldn't find a striker and they couldn't find a central defender. 

laugh.

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over 10 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

And which aussie or kiwi CB would you target.

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over 10 years ago

If Boxall wasn't prepared to wait patiently until his time come, the other option is to get better at your craft. Become a better option than the incumbent. Radical idea I know

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over 10 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

And which aussie or kiwi CB would you target.


Well with the demise of in the zone no one is pushing for Eager any more, I'd say Musa.

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over 10 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

If Boxall wasn't prepared to wait patiently until his time come, the other option is to get better at your craft. Become a better option than the incumbent. Radical idea I know

I think he may have been close to this.  He was certainly close to first choice at fullback.

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over 10 years ago

Ryan wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

And which aussie or kiwi CB would you target.


Well with the demise of in the zone no one is pushing for Eager any more, I'd say Musa.

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over 10 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

And which aussie or kiwi CB would you target.

Impossible to know who was interested/demanding too much etc. But I would definitely have made a play for Zac Anderson before he signed with Bling.

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over 10 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

And which aussie or kiwi CB would you target.

Plenty of talk about Thwaite being unhappy at the Glory. But at 32, he is hardly a long term solution.

Curtis Good seems to be going nowhere with Newcastle United, sooner or later he will have to come back to the A-League to re-launch his career.

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over 10 years ago

Taylor Regan as a squad player.

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Hard News wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

If Boxall wasn't prepared to wait patiently until his time come, the other option is to get better at your craft. Become a better option than the incumbent. Radical idea I know

I think he may have been close to this.  He was certainly close to first choice at fullback.

That is true. I would rate Boxall equal to or better than Manny, as per their form midway through last season. 

But both Siggy and Dura played very well at that time and Boxall was not getting enough game time as CB. If I am not mistaken, he was headhunted for a CB position in Brockie's new team in SA. So it panned out as planned: he is hopefully getting better at his craft by playing regularly (although not in a better level competition IMHO), and is earning money to afford a house in Auckland once he's back.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 10 years ago

hlmphil wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

And which aussie or kiwi CB would you target.

Impossible to know who was interested/demanding too much etc. But I would definitely have made a play for Zac Anderson before he signed with Bling.

Wasn't there talk that we tried to get him?

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over 10 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

If Boxall wasn't prepared to wait patiently until his time come, the other option is to get better at your craft. Become a better option than the incumbent. Radical idea I know

Or go elsewhere, get paid more AND get playing time, while also working hard to get better at your craft. 


Allegedly

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over 10 years ago

I suppose the question I would like to ask is: who thinks that we could have got a real striker and a real CB backup, if we tried harder / were more organized / splashed the cash, as opposed to who believes Ernie et al. that they tried their best and came up empty? Because if you believe the latter, there's not much point whining about it now. Eg, the idea that we "let Boxall go" rather than "Boxall got an offer that we couldn't top without the aid of a friendly genie".


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over 10 years ago

Doloras wrote:

I suppose the question I would like to ask is: who thinks that we could have got a real striker and a real CB backup, if we tried harder / were more organized / splashed the cash, as opposed to who believes Ernie et al. that they tried their best and came up empty? Because if you believe the latter, there's not much point whining about it now. Eg, the idea that we "let Boxall go" rather than "Boxall got an offer that we couldn't top without the aid of a friendly genie".

It depends on what you consider a "real CB backup" to be... considering that prior to signing the Fantastic Mr Fox we had 2 CBs in our squad. Even if we couldn't get a proven A League performer or somewhat-experienced professional, why didn't we sign a young CB earlier? After all, neither of our 2 regulars have more than a few seasons left in them so even if he didn't get much time this year he'd get chances over the next couple. And unlike previous periods when we had young CBs on the books (I'm thinking Musa and Adams) we actually have a proper reserve side for them to play in now if they aren't getting first team football. Having a young CB who was in the squad for most of the offseason would have given the ma chance to get used to playing with Siggy or Dura too so they could be more comfortable if they had to do it in a game that mattered. If we then got a more experienced CB as well to be third choice the young guy wouldn't exactly be on a lot of coin anyway - he'd just be at the expense of say, Danoskos (who seems to be our 3rd choice leftback).

Clubs sometimes make bad decisions in the transfer market (Andy Carroll to Liverpool, Falcao to Man Utd/Chelsea, Arsenal Wenger not signing a proven goalscorer or a DM, and so on). I think our decision to not have CB cover signed early enough to get settled into the squad and playing preseason friendlies was a bad decision. 

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over 10 years ago

If you were a "decent" Aus player on the market, you would likely have options available besides just us (or they wouldn't be that decent, would they). 

If you did have options available, would you chose the one that was in another country and doesn't have a licence next season, even if they offered you a little more money? No, nor would I.

E + R + O

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that license business is not a very attractive selling point to what ever players we approached this off season

Next podcast with Dome on, I would love the question to be asked how he sells that to our potential transfer guns

He must surely have some pre arranged lines

Or do we just say she'll be right mate?


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[quote=ConanTroutman]

[quote=Doloras]

Clubs sometimes make bad decisions in the transfer market (Andy Carroll to Liverpool, Falcao to Man Utd/Chelsea, Arsenal Wenger not signing a proven goalscorer or a DM, and so on). 

You can't say these are bad decisions until the season has progressed further, certainly not in the carroll to liverpool bracket by any stretch.

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over 10 years ago

paulm wrote:

[quote=ConanTroutman]

[quote=Doloras]

Clubs sometimes make bad decisions in the transfer market (Andy Carroll to Liverpool, Falcao to Man Utd/Chelsea, Arsenal Wenger not signing a proven goalscorer or a DM, and so on). 

You can't say these are bad decisions until the season has progressed further, certainly not in the carroll to liverpool bracket by any stretch.

I wasn't actually thinking about this season, more about it over the last few seasons.

Sorry if I caused offence!

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over 10 years ago

paulm wrote:

[quote=ConanTroutman]

[quote=Doloras]

Clubs sometimes make bad decisions in the transfer market (Andy Carroll to Liverpool, Falcao to Man Utd/Chelsea, Arsenal Wenger not signing a proven goalscorer or a DM, and so on). 

You can't say these are bad decisions until the season has progressed further, certainly not in the carroll to liverpool bracket by any stretch.

Haha getting defensive pretty quickly there bro ;)

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over 10 years ago

The worst thing about the lack of licence (aside from the lack of licence) is that there were assurances it would be sorted by the end of last season, then the beginning of this season, and now???... I'm assuming the end of this season lol

E + R + O

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over 10 years ago

that license business is not a very attractive selling point to what ever players we approached this off season

Next podcast with Dome on, I would love the question to be asked how he sells that to our potential transfer guns

He must surely have some pre arranged lines

Or do we just say she'll be right mate?

How do we know that it is a big issue for signing players?  My just be an issue for us fans, and the owners but no one else.

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over 10 years ago

Marto wrote:

that license business is not a very attractive selling point to what ever players we approached this off season

Next podcast with Dome on, I would love the question to be asked how he sells that to our potential transfer guns

He must surely have some pre arranged lines

Or do we just say she'll be right mate?

How do we know that it is a big issue for signing players?  My just be an issue for us fans, and the owners but no one else.

May not be a big issue but you have to think if a player is coming from overseas they would do a check and for some it may be to much to move family to somewhere where there is some doubt about their future.

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over 10 years ago

Would Old be worth another look at 29 - seasoned professional now in Sweden and does get a few goals. Might give us a more "attacking CB" at set pieces?

Nikko Boxall is an interesting idea... his teams performances have certainly improved since his arrival... big impact or just the team finally clicking?

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over 10 years ago

Groff wrote:

paulm wrote:

[quote=ConanTroutman]

[quote=Doloras]

Clubs sometimes make bad decisions in the transfer market (Andy Carroll to Liverpool, Falcao to Man Utd/Chelsea, Arsenal Wenger not signing a proven goalscorer or a DM, and so on). 

You can't say these are bad decisions until the season has progressed further, certainly not in the carroll to liverpool bracket by any stretch.

Haha getting defensive pretty quickly there bro ;)

I'll slow it down next time ;)

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over 10 years ago

Marto wrote:

that license business is not a very attractive selling point to what ever players we approached this off season

Next podcast with Dome on, I would love the question to be asked how he sells that to our potential transfer guns

He must surely have some pre arranged lines

Or do we just say she'll be right mate?

How do we know that it is a big issue for signing players?  My just be an issue for us fans, and the owners but no one else.

Just using logic. A dangerous thing for some I know


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Marto wrote:

that license business is not a very attractive selling point to what ever players we approached this off season

Next podcast with Dome on, I would love the question to be asked how he sells that to our potential transfer guns

He must surely have some pre arranged lines

Or do we just say she'll be right mate?

How do we know that it is a big issue for signing players?  My just be an issue for us fans, and the owners but no one else.

Just using logic. A dangerous thing for some I know

If someone is signeable and looks more than just good enough then you would want to tell them: "let's agree on this season, and also have first dibs on the next season".Second year can be conditional on whatever, from performance to licence. You do not need to spell it out.

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over 10 years ago

that license business is not a very attractive selling point to what ever players we approached this off season

Next podcast with Dome on, I would love the question to be asked how he sells that to our potential transfer guns

He must surely have some pre arranged lines

Or do we just say she'll be right mate?

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