$40-45 Million Soccer Specific Stadium - Petone Phoenix

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Marquee
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Sorry if it's already been covered but has the naming rights issue been raised yet? Is there a common WRFU/Phoenix corporate who might want to pick it up?

Then there is the far more important matter of what Phoenix fans would call this new home.

Petone my Precious?

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They will sell naming rights for the stadium and stands.

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Feverish wrote:
Smithy wrote:
To put things in perspective for someone who doesn't know Petone, I live in a suburb just outside the CBD of Auckland. It would take me 25 mins to drive to Siberia (north Harbour stadium). How long would it take from Wellington to Petone?


 


This morning it took me 7 minutes.

And then you commuted to town

 

I'm not kidding. I got picked up by a TV3 cab at exactly 6.15am. I have a receipt from that cab at 6.23am.

Admittedly most people don't drive in at 6.15 in the morning.

It is 13kms from St John's Bar to the Petone Rec, give or take a few hundred metres. So it's not far.
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SurgeQld wrote:

For this to stack up, and for the council to have any hope of getting the $25m approved, this plan has to appeal to more than just Phoenix fans (and owners). They have to engage rugby - both Wellington and Petone (which I hear they have, positively), they also have to use Weltec (as has been mentioned) and if there is anything behind this NRL thing then that can only help too. They also mention "community" facilities and I'd love to learn more about what that means...

I think you'd find a whole heap of codes/clubs that would use it for something if the price was right. For example I watched the Wgtn club rugby finals last year at Hutt Rec (where they play every year because the stadium's too expensive) with about 3-4k fans in temporary stands (which they'd put up for the All Blacks later in the week) so you'd definitely get those types of games. Petone would be based there as well I assume, as well as maybe the lions. Wouldn't be surprised if league were interested for their club finals as well. Maybe even softball, though I'm not sure about the field dimensions. Point is, the region has been hanging out for this type of venue for a while.
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Smithy wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Smithy wrote:
To put things in perspective for someone who doesn't know Petone, I live in a suburb just outside the CBD of Auckland. It would take me 25 mins to drive to Siberia (north Harbour stadium). How long would it take from Wellington to Petone?


 


This morning it took me 7 minutes.

And then you commuted to town

 


I'm not kidding. I got picked up by a TV3 cab at exactly 6.15am. I have a receipt from that cab at 6.23am.


Admittedly most people don't drive in at 6.15 in the morning.


It is 13kms from St John's Bar to the Petone Rec, give or take a few hundred metres. So it's not far.


Word for word what the estate agent told you when you moved there? ;-)
Marquee
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Fwiw you're right. Distance is a complete red herring. If they pull it off its a complete game changer and we as a fan base need to recognize that

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Lets hope for craft beer and nice food.

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james dean wrote:

Fwiw you're right. Distance is a complete red herring. If they pull it off its a complete game changer and we as a fan base need to recognize that

 

I was defending myself against Feverish who thinks that Karori is actually close to anything.

Petone is just as accessible as Thorndon to just as many people.
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zonknz wrote:

It's all very interesting.

Suppose it came in at 15k seats.

Hurricanes would move

Lions would move

Phoenix would move.

NRL team if that goes anywhere, would play there...

So you'd have the westpac with what, an all black test, a couple of playoffs for the Hurricanes and/or Phoenix each year?

The westpac would be out of business. Dead. Gone. End of All Blacks games in Wellington, the stadium falls into disrepair, is knocked down, and replaced with a purpose built rectangular stadium. Awesome!


Play the long game. Well smart welnix.


+ sevens + beervana + AFL + Food Show + Armageddon + Home & Garden + ...
There are a few other things going on there as well. I'd love to find out how and where they make their money. Parking for example?
It will be interesting if the Lions started playing at Petone where the atmosphere + food etc was better, what punters would start thinking when going back to the stadium for the Canes.
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once this thing kills the stadium we can just rip a side off said stadium and make an awesomely huge bank, thus creating a cricket-only ground with more comfortable seating. That would also get rid of the basin/motorway conundrum ;)


J82's digger can probably manage the whole job - stand demolition, bank creation and basin demolition.



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Smithy wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Smithy wrote:
To put things in perspective for someone who doesn't know Petone, I live in a suburb just outside the CBD of Auckland. It would take me 25 mins to drive to Siberia (north Harbour stadium). How long would it take from Wellington to Petone?


 


This morning it took me 7 minutes.

And then you commuted to town

 


I'm not kidding. I got picked up by a TV3 cab at exactly 6.15am. I have a receipt from that cab at 6.23am.


Admittedly most people don't drive in at 6.15 in the morning.


It is 13kms from St John's Bar to the Petone Rec, give or take a few hundred metres. So it's not far.

Little early to be on the razz isnt it?
Marquee
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This one's quite tasty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose_Earthquakes_Stadium

Legend
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Perhaps more likely that the night before ran a little late

Marquee
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Most peeps ringing Tim Fooks morning show on newstalk zb are dead against another stadium that Hutt rate payers will have to pay for.


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George, do you work in radio or are you just an avid listener?

Early retirement
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The nimbys will kill it.  I'm about 99.97% sure.

Marquee
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Most peeps ringing Tim Fooks morning show on newstalk zb are dead against another stadium that Hutt rate payers will have to pay for.



As brilliant as the concept is, this is far from a done deal
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Hard News wrote:

The nimbys will kill it.  I'm about 99.97% sure.


I will raise you to 99.98%
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Jerzy Merino wrote:

This one's quite tasty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose_Earthquakes_Stadium

That cost 70 mil US. For 48 mil, your prob looking at something basic like Leigh Sports Village.
LG
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IF this happens it will be brilliant for everyone, for the club, they'll have their admin and their training facilites all in the one place. That has to be good for them and the players and the media. Fanwise, it's a train trip or a car ride that isn't that long. For hutt valley, waiarapa and Hawkes bay fans its a good move.  For fans to be a lot closer to the field it's a good move, for the players in the same respect its a good move. If Gareth and or Sam wish to step up to the plate with the readies, that would take some of the burden off rate payers. I'll be there attending games as per normal.

I really hope this happens and is not pissing into the wind. Sick of bullshit merchants. And please take the opportunity to hire some decent catering. And ban music!

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Hard News wrote:

The nimbys will kill it.  I'm about 99.97% sure.

The curse of living in NZ.
Legend
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Haven't heard anything nimby-ish yet - just ratepayers not wanting their rates to go towards it, which is different


However I do agree with you. If we get hassles now with the stadium and thorndon residents, imagine this where it's much closer to a lot of 100yo houses

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paulm wrote:

Haven't heard anything nimby-ish yet - just ratepayers not wanting their rates to go towards it, which is different


However I do agree with you. If we get hassles now with the stadium and thorndon residents, imagine this where it's much closer to a lot of 100yo houses


"Out-raged of Petone" is presently penning a letter to the Hutt News and the Dom Post, complaining about the football Hooligans who will be vomiting in her Petunias, blocking the road making it impossible for her to get to Sunday afternoon Bingo, and the Glow of the lights keeping her up beyond 8.35pm.
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sthn.jeff wrote:
paulm wrote:

Haven't heard anything nimby-ish yet - just ratepayers not wanting their rates to go towards it, which is different


However I do agree with you. If we get hassles now with the stadium and thorndon residents, imagine this where it's much closer to a lot of 100yo houses


"Out-raged of Petone" is presently penning a letter to the Hutt News and the Dom Post, complaining about the football Hooligans who will be vomiting in her Petunias, blocking the road making it impossible for her to get to Sunday afternoon Bingo, and the Glow of the lights keeping her up beyond 8.35pm.

She'll probably be complaining about the extra rates associated with her property value jumping by 100k.
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Ha, and I opened a topic a few months ago discussing a potential rectangular purpose built football stadium and got laughed at.

Well, if this goes ahead it's the best thing for Football in NZ since the Nix were founded in 07.

A 12k stadium will make for a much better athmsophere, less empty seats and hopefully we can bring drums flags and all that sort of stuff to show NZ what athmosphere at a sports game really means!

Would be awesome if they named one of the stands "Phoenix Stand", or "Yellow Fever Stand."
And the clubs Logo shining at the entrance way!

I'm dreaming...

Would be great for Oceania WC qualifiers etc too
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chefmivec wrote:


so is that link road just speculation or is it actually going ahead cause I really don't wanna catch two trains to get to a game

You must be gutted that you currently have to walk from the train station to the stadium. Why can't the train stop right there, it goes straight past.
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chefmivec wrote:


so is that link road just speculation or is it actually going ahead cause I really don't wanna catch two trains to get to a game

You must be gutted that you currently have to walk from the train station to the stadium. Why can't the train stop right there, it goes straight past.

It does.  Emergency brake.

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sthn.jeff wrote:
paulm wrote:

Haven't heard anything nimby-ish yet - just ratepayers not wanting their rates to go towards it, which is different


However I do agree with you. If we get hassles now with the stadium and thorndon residents, imagine this where it's much closer to a lot of 100yo houses


"Out-raged of Petone" is presently penning a letter to the Hutt News and the Dom Post, complaining about the football Hooligans who will be vomiting in her Petunias, blocking the road making it impossible for her to get to Sunday afternoon Bingo, and the Glow of the lights keeping her up beyond 8.35pm.


I f*cking hate Petunias I do.
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zonknz wrote:

It's all very interesting.

Suppose it came in at 15k seats.

Hurricanes would move

Lions would move

Phoenix would move.

NRL team if that goes anywhere, would play there...

So you'd have the westpac with what, an all black test, a couple of playoffs for the Hurricanes and/or Phoenix each year?

The westpac would be out of business. Dead. Gone. End of All Blacks games in Wellington, the stadium falls into disrepair, is knocked down, and replaced with a purpose built rectangular stadium. Awesome!


Play the long game. Well smart welnix.



Westpac would largely be a white elephant sports wise but would have to lift its game to attract more:

Concerts,

Special Events, [Krusty Demons, monster trucks, x-games etc]

Functions,

Large sporting events.

How often is Eden Park used these days outside of Auckland and Blues games, and cricket?

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Junior82 wrote:
sthn.jeff wrote:
paulm wrote:

Haven't heard anything nimby-ish yet - just ratepayers not wanting their rates to go towards it, which is different


However I do agree with you. If we get hassles now with the stadium and thorndon residents, imagine this where it's much closer to a lot of 100yo houses


"Out-raged of Petone" is presently penning a letter to the Hutt News and the Dom Post, complaining about the football Hooligans who will be vomiting in her Petunias, blocking the road making it impossible for her to get to Sunday afternoon Bingo, and the Glow of the lights keeping her up beyond 8.35pm.


I f*cking hate Petunias I do.



Nothing a little Round-up can't sort!
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paulm wrote:

once this thing kills the stadium we can just rip a side off said stadium and make an awesomely huge bank, thus creating a cricket-only ground with more comfortable seating. That would also get rid of the basin/motorway conundrum ;)


J82's digger can probably manage the whole job - stand demolition, bank creation and basin demolition.



"No job too small."

Yeah, I think I can book this in for 2016/17.  Got a small construction project in Auckland to finish off then but shouldn't take long (52 storeys isn't much is it?).

I might just have to stock on lots of D size batteries - probably go for those lithium ones that last a bit longer ("never scrimp on quality" - another motto I might use).

If you're not needing the basin, then I have another idea to put to Celia and all the other Super City councillors (world's biggest Smiggle store, surrounded by a moat). 


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I am sooo envious of the Little Yellow Digger.

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hlmphil wrote:
Hard News wrote:

The nimbys will kill it.  I'm about 99.97% sure.

The curse of living in NZ.


This

I am afraid you are right. If this is a notified consent process then any halfwit with an axe to grind can appeal to the Environmental Court and the whole thing goes into a black whole for years. 

I'll give you an example. The Cordon Bleu Cooking school in Cuba Street was originally going to Martinborough....sort of wine and fine food match up. Was meant to be sited on a vineyard...the land was bought, the buildings were designed.  Despite 2000+ local people signing a petition in support TWO people objected(one of them did not even live in the area). End result it became tied up in endless legalise...the French owners pulled the pin and moved it to Wellington. 

But we should try and be positive and hope this goes through on schedule. To sell this it needs to be seen to be attractive to as wide a group as possible. It needs to be promoted as a community facility not just as a Nix stadium. For example there is plenty of spare space under the stands at stadiums....if its designed properly this space could be used as office space for community groups. The Weltec campus is right next door and they are resticted in space.....they too could tie in and use some of the stadium space.....they would be paying tenants as well. Also...as people have pointed out get eggball(choke choke) an other sports on board as well.

As an aside if you look at the photo mockup the design leaves the exisiting PetRec stadium intact(top of picture, West end behind the goal) How good would that be as the YF stand? An exclusive, self policing stand where the YF could  do what they liked. They could even install a members bar. Its an OK stand, a bit old, flabby and past its prime......so it would be perfect match for the current crew!!!
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Junior82 wrote:
paulm wrote:

once this thing kills the stadium we can just rip a side off said stadium and make an awesomely huge bank, thus creating a cricket-only ground with more comfortable seating. That would also get rid of the basin/motorway conundrum ;)


J82's digger can probably manage the whole job - stand demolition, bank creation and basin demolition.



"No job too small."

Yeah, I think I can book this in for 2016/17.  Got a small construction project in Auckland to finish off then but shouldn't take long (52 storeys isn't much is it?).

I might just have to stock on lots of D size batteries - probably go for those lithium ones that last a bit longer ("never scrimp on quality" - another motto I might use).

If you're not needing the basin, then I have another idea to put to Celia and all the other Super City councillors (world's biggest Smiggle store, surrounded by a moat). 



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It's stuff like this that reminds me I'm back in NZ and not still in Qld...

 

(and yes, I know the state gummint is billions in the turd but they have some bluddy nice stadia, tunnels, bridges, busways...)

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People appealing to the environment court does cost them a bit of money. You don't just do it for giggles. That combined with the fact that their property values will increase quite a bit leads me to be optimistic about it.

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rjmiller wrote:

People appealing to the environment court does cost them a bit of money. You don't just do it for giggles. That combined with the fact that their property values will increase quite a bit leads me to be optimistic about it.


Since when does having  a stadium built in your neighbour hood increase property values?
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How often is Eden Park used these days outside of Auckland and Blues games, and cricket?

The latest noise out of the Auckland Council is that they want to direct all big football, rugby and league to Eden Park, with Mt Smart and NHS as spillovers, move the speedway to Mt Smart and move cricket to Western Springs. I would much rather watch cricket at Western Springs. You could probably hear the monkeys yelling from the Zoo and pretend they were the away supporters.
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Doloras wrote:
How often is Eden Park used these days outside of Auckland and Blues games, and cricket?


The latest noise out of the Auckland Council is that they want to direct all big football, rugby and league to Eden Park, with Mt Smart and NHS as spillovers, move the speedway to Mt Smart and move cricket to Western Springs. I would much rather watch cricket at Western Springs. You could probably hear the monkeys yelling from the Zoo and pretend they were the away supporters.

You can watch football at Western Springs (Neil Emblen's NPL club) and hear the monkeys (lemurs). They are the home supporters.

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The irony is that the demand for tickets in the first season would likely be higher than the new stadium's capacity... purely down to the drawcard of a new facility


I remember when westpac was built, myself and many others were keen to go to more events than usual just to experience the shiny new stadium. I was an eggball regular throughout the early 2000s thanks to that. Everyone I knew was saying things like "there's not a bad seat in it, you can see really well from everywhere"


Simple pleasures after years behind a pillar in the corner of Athletic Park I guess...

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$40-45 Million Soccer Specific Stadium - Petone Phoenix