Silver seats? Gold seats?
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
You only need one person to hold this up for years. Someone who knows the Resource management and the Environment Court process could tie this up for 4 or 5 years...easily. Tyler Boyd could be as old as Ifill before the first game is played in this stadium.
Smithy..... your concern about the objectors having their say is commendable. However my experiance in these matters is that if you behave in a rational measured way and provide a sensible case as to the benefits of a project then you can expect people to respond in a rational and objective way. Unfortunately it does not work that way. People respond in a more base way. "I don't want that and nothing you can say will change my mind". The fact that they bought a property right next to a sports ground then object to that ground being developed for sport does not in any way seem to them to be irrational.( Same for people who buy a down town apartment and then object to bar noise).
It would be interesting to go to Mondays meeting if only to reinforce your own stereo types. I bet these people are all middle aged or elder, have facial hair(including the women), are public servants, wear sox with their sandels and have personal hygiene issues.
You only need one person to hold this up for years. Someone who knows the Resource management and the Environment Court process could tie this up for 4 or 5 years...easily. Tyler Boyd could be as old as Ifill before the first game is played in this stadium.
Smithy..... your concern about the objectors having their say is commendable. However my experiance in these matters is that if you behave in a rational measured way and provide a sensible case as to the benefits of a project then you can expect people to respond in a rational and objective way. Unfortunately it does not work that way. People respond in a more base way. "I don't want that and nothing you can say will change my mind". The fact that they bought a property right next to a sports ground then object to that ground being developed for sport does not in any way seem to them to be irrational.( Same for people who buy a down town apartment and then object to bar noise).
It would be interesting to go to Mondays meeting if only to reinforce your own stereo types. I bet these people are all middle aged or elder, have facial hair(including the women), are public servants, wear sox with their sandels and have personal hygiene issues.
I suspect that's how it will go too. You see it in Auckland with the speedway at Western Springs and the lights at Eden Park and you just have to say to yourself 'You really are a bunch of idiots'. However their right to a voice is valid, even if it is in a different reality.
Grumpy old bastard alert
Roger Mellie? I thought you were Darth Vulva?
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
You only need one person to hold this up for years. Someone who knows the Resource management and the Environment Court process could tie this up for 4 or 5 years...easily. Tyler Boyd could be as old as Ifill before the first game is played in this stadium.
Smithy..... your concern about the objectors having their say is commendable. However my experiance in these matters is that if you behave in a rational measured way and provide a sensible case as to the benefits of a project then you can expect people to respond in a rational and objective way. Unfortunately it does not work that way. People respond in a more base way. "I don't want that and nothing you can say will change my mind". The fact that they bought a property right next to a sports ground then object to that ground being developed for sport does not in any way seem to them to be irrational.( Same for people who buy a down town apartment and then object to bar noise).
It would be interesting to go to Mondays meeting if only to reinforce your own stereo types. I bet these people are all middle aged or elder, have facial hair(including the women), are public servants, wear sox with their sandels and have personal hygiene issues.
I suspect that's how it will go too. You see it in Auckland with the speedway at Western Springs and the lights at Eden Park and you just have to say to yourself 'You really are a bunch of idiots'. However their right to a voice is valid, even if it is in a different reality.
I'd like to think the environment court could reach a decision, one way or the other, in a lot less than 4 years. Hagley park for cricket redevelopment went straight to the environment court and went through in less than 3 months despite considering 300 submissions. It would be harder to get because there are houses directly adjacent, but I don't think it is all that much more complex. There is a determined push to speed the application process while still ensuring those who have a concern have the chance to get heard.
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
Don't even start me on that.
Will there be a fever zone? Which aisle? I called ticketek but as per usual they had no idea what i was on about...
You only need one person to hold this up for years. Someone who knows the Resource management and the Environment Court process could tie this up for 4 or 5 years...easily. Tyler Boyd could be as old as Ifill before the first game is played in this stadium.
Smithy..... your concern about the objectors having their say is commendable. However my experiance in these matters is that if you behave in a rational measured way and provide a sensible case as to the benefits of a project then you can expect people to respond in a rational and objective way. Unfortunately it does not work that way. People respond in a more base way. "I don't want that and nothing you can say will change my mind". The fact that they bought a property right next to a sports ground then object to that ground being developed for sport does not in any way seem to them to be irrational.( Same for people who buy a down town apartment and then object to bar noise).
It would be interesting to go to Mondays meeting if only to reinforce your own stereo types. I bet these people are all middle aged or elder, have facial hair(including the women), are public servants, wear sox with their sandels and have personal hygiene issues.
I suspect that's how it will go too. You see it in Auckland with the speedway at Western Springs and the lights at Eden Park and you just have to say to yourself 'You really are a bunch of idiots'. However their right to a voice is valid, even if it is in a different reality.
I could see this going ahead with some concessions/extra requirements, such as issues around parking and possibly not allowing/limiting future expansion of the stadium.
Id hazard a guess that the person who wanted to write to the petone mayor doesn't have the grounds to object.
Don't even start me on that.
Don't even start me on that.
Kinda like the people whom bought houses over looking Wellington airport to watch the planes and then bitch about the noise they make and have a 10pm curfew introduced. Tempted to go along just to see the types opposing. I'm pretty sure the usual cliche bunch will show. And dont forget under the treaty I want a full brown paper envelope to keep me off your back.
Like it or not, it is peoples (even hemp, wearing, shower dodging, sandal wearers) right to voice an opinion. I for one would not like to live anywhere that this is not the case.
Agree.
That doesn't mean that you're not allowed to find an opinion stupid however. People who oppose things 'just because' are the worst. As soon as you quiz a bandwagon protestor on something they supposedly so passionately object to, they have no answers. I've done this at university before for the lolz. Also did it to some person asking me to sign a petition to keep assets kiwi
"Why are you opposed to the sale of these assets?"
"Because we should keep assets kiwi?"
"What does that mean? Why is it beneficial to not sell the assets?"
"So future generations can enjoy them"
"How would they enjoy them? What benefit would they get from them?"
"Whatever, you don't want to sign, I get it"
"No, I just don't want to blindly sign something when you can't even come up with a meaningful reason as to why you're against it"
"Whatever"
Agree.
That doesn't mean that you're not allowed to find an opinion stupid however. People who oppose things 'just because' are the worst. As soon as you quiz a bandwagon protestor on something they supposedly so passionately object to, they have no answers. I've done this at university before for the lolz. Also did it to some person asking me to sign a petition to keep assets kiwi
"Why are you opposed to the sale of these assets?"
"Because we should keep assets kiwi?"
"What does that mean? Why is it beneficial to not sell the assets?"
"So future generations can enjoy them"
"How would they enjoy them? What benefit would they get from them?"
"Whatever, you don't want to sign, I get it"
"No, I just don't want to blindly sign something when you can't even come up with a meaningful reason as to why you're against it"
"Whatever"
Agree.
That doesn't mean that you're not allowed to find an opinion stupid however. People who oppose things 'just because' are the worst. As soon as you quiz a bandwagon protestor on something they supposedly so passionately object to, they have no answers. I've done this at university before for the lolz. Also did it to some person asking me to sign a petition to keep assets kiwi
"Why are you opposed to the sale of these assets?"
"Because we should keep assets kiwi?"
"What does that mean? Why is it beneficial to not sell the assets?"
"So future generations can enjoy them"
"How would they enjoy them? What benefit would they get from them?"
"Whatever, you don't want to sign, I get it"
"No, I just don't want to blindly sign something when you can't even come up with a meaningful reason as to why you're against it"
"Whatever"
you're like a modern Socrates
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
You only need one person to hold this up for years. Someone who knows the Resource management and the Environment Court process could tie this up for 4 or 5 years...easily. Tyler Boyd could be as old as Ifill before the first game is played in this stadium.
Smithy..... your concern about the objectors having their say is commendable. However my experiance in these matters is that if you behave in a rational measured way and provide a sensible case as to the benefits of a project then you can expect people to respond in a rational and objective way. Unfortunately it does not work that way. People respond in a more base way. "I don't want that and nothing you can say will change my mind". The fact that they bought a property right next to a sports ground then object to that ground being developed for sport does not in any way seem to them to be irrational.( Same for people who buy a down town apartment and then object to bar noise).
It would be interesting to go to Mondays meeting if only to reinforce your own stereo types. I bet these people are all middle aged or elder, have facial hair(including the women), are public servants, wear sox with their sandels and have personal hygiene issues.
I suspect that's how it will go too. You see it in Auckland with the speedway at Western Springs and the lights at Eden Park and you just have to say to yourself 'You really are a bunch of idiots'. However their right to a voice is valid, even if it is in a different reality.
Like it or not, it is peoples (even hemp, wearing, shower dodging, sandal wearers) right to voice an opinion. I for one would not like to live anywhere that this is not the case.
Like it or not, it is peoples (even hemp, wearing, shower dodging, sandal wearers) right to voice an opinion. I for one would not like to live anywhere that this is not the case.
I wouldnt want to live next door to a bunch of hemp wearing, shower dodging, sandal wearers either. Theres a few around, have they not heard of deoderants? Some of them stink to high heavens, god knows how their partner lets them even near them let alone closer. Theres even natural plant origin deoderants that didnt cost a monkey, seal or dog its life.
Yeah cool it down guys. Some of are starting to sound like the sort of people you are deriding. There is a long way to go with this whole concept and many things may crop during the process.
Be zen.
Damn this YF app. Can't edit my text fails. But you get my meaning.
Like it or not, it is peoples (even hemp, wearing, shower dodging, sandal wearers) right to voice an opinion. I for one would not like to live anywhere that this is not the case.
I wouldnt want to live next door to a bunch of hemp wearing, shower dodging, sandal wearers either. Theres a few around, have they not heard of deoderants? Some of them stink to high heavens, god knows how their partner lets them even near them let alone closer. Theres even natural plant origin deoderants that didnt cost a monkey, seal or dog its life.
Wow.
Some serious stereotyping going on.
Fuck yeah. Some of these posts are a perfect illustration of why protections such as council district plans and the Environment Court need to exist!
We all want this to happen but people who don't want this to happen are within their rights to say so without being abused.
And I guarantee that if this process does start to get a bit testy opponents of the new stadium will selectively use posts from here to illustrate what a bunch of morons football fans are.
Wow.
Some serious stereotyping going on.
Wow.
Some serious stereotyping going on.
Yeah, and the "under the treaty" comment was pretty on-the-nose too.
Like it or not, it is peoples (even hemp, wearing, shower dodging, sandal wearers) right to voice an opinion. I for one would not like to live anywhere that this is not the case.
I wouldnt want to live next door to a bunch of hemp wearing, shower dodging, sandal wearers either. Theres a few around, have they not heard of deoderants? Some of them stink to high heavens, god knows how their partner lets them even near them let alone closer. Theres even natural plant origin deoderants that didnt cost a monkey, seal or dog its life.
Wow.
Some serious stereotyping going on.
Fuck yeah. Some of these posts are a perfect illustration of why protections such as council district plans and the Environment Court need to exist!
We all want this to happen but people who don't want this to happen are within their rights to say so without being abused.
And I guarantee that if this process does start to get a bit testy opponents of the new stadium will selectively use posts from here to illustrate what a bunch of morons football fans are.
Well yes to all of that. But all the residents will have not even considered that the place they have bought was going to have a stadium close by. Some won't like the idea at all no matter what the wider benefits to the area will be.
I'd be annoyed if some big public event structure got erected very close to our house. Or Transit NZ decided to stick a major road through my neighbourhood.
That's why the wider economic benefits really do need to be substantial.
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
He is most definitely off contract!
Just googled: Over two years since he died. Seemed more recent...
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
Monaco style tunnel over Aotea quay and the 10k permanent seat Stadium will sit well NW of ROF. RST just need to defer the upgrades to the Dellitotes lounge for 10 years.
Supporter For Ever - Keep The Faith - Foundation Member - Never Lets FAX Get In The Way Of A Good Yarn
Like it or not, it is peoples (even hemp, wearing, shower dodging, sandal wearers) right to voice an opinion. I for one would not like to live anywhere that this is not the case.
I wouldnt want to live next door to a bunch of hemp wearing, shower dodging, sandal wearers either. Theres a few around, have they not heard of deoderants? Some of them stink to high heavens, god knows how their partner lets them even near them let alone closer. Theres even natural plant origin deoderants that didnt cost a monkey, seal or dog its life.
Wow.
Some serious stereotyping going on.
Fuck yeah. Some of these posts are a perfect illustration of why protections such as council district plans and the Environment Court need to exist!
We all want this to happen but people who don't want this to happen are within their rights to say so without being abused.
And I guarantee that if this process does start to get a bit testy opponents of the new stadium will selectively use posts from here to illustrate what a bunch of morons football fans are.
Be cool Terminator-x.....We's just having a bit of fun! Humour(however weak) is often a good outlet for tension. I am sure that plenty of the objectors showery regularly, are not public servants and don't wear sox with their sandals. If anyone selectively uses one of my posts, without my approval, to illustrate what a moron I am then, I will speak to my lawyer!!!!!
However what does bug me is the way some people instantly oppose something without taking the time to look at the proposal. Because at the moment this stadium is just that, a proposal........barely past the idea stage. We have a proposal and some artists projections on what it MAY look like. If people wait to see the full plan, study it, weigh up the pro's and cons, then decide that they don't like it then that is their right under a democracy. In the meantime people, who within a day of the initial press release say "we must stop this" deserve all the shit they get.
Grumpy old bastard alert
The stadium is a great concept and will be a serious option if the funding is sorted.
However not everyone is a football/egg ball 1/egg ball 2 supporter, and the first the residents will have heard about it is via DP or tv.
Understandable for there to be some angst. Hopefully as the business case unfolds, the majority of the residents are comfortable.
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
Rugby league in Wellington IMO has 2 non league clubs who dominate the game at a level (was top 30 yrs ago) Petone and Wainui were closely aligned and western suburbs another. Is it still so?
Supporter For Ever - Keep The Faith - Foundation Member - Never Lets FAX Get In The Way Of A Good Yarn
Like it or not, it is peoples (even hemp, wearing, shower dodging, sandal wearers) right to voice an opinion. I for one would not like to live anywhere that this is not the case.
I wouldnt want to live next door to a bunch of hemp wearing, shower dodging, sandal wearers either. Theres a few around, have they not heard of deoderants? Some of them stink to high heavens, god knows how their partner lets them even near them let alone closer. Theres even natural plant origin deoderants that didnt cost a monkey, seal or dog its life.
Wow.
Some serious stereotyping going on.
Fuck yeah. Some of these posts are a perfect illustration of why protections such as council district plans and the Environment Court need to exist!
We all want this to happen but people who don't want this to happen are within their rights to say so without being abused.
And I guarantee that if this process does start to get a bit testy opponents of the new stadium will selectively use posts from here to illustrate what a bunch of morons football fans are.
Be cool Terminator-x.....We's just having a bit of fun! Humour(however weak) is often a good outlet for tension. I am sure that plenty of the objectors showery regularly, are not public servants and don't wear sox with their sandals. If anyone selectively uses one of my posts, without my approval, to illustrate what a moron I am then, I will speak to my lawyer!!!!!
However what does bug me is the way some people instantly oppose something without taking the time to look at the proposal. Because at the moment this stadium is just that, a proposal........barely past the idea stage. We have a proposal and some artists projections on what it MAY look like. If people wait to see the full plan, study it, weigh up the pro's and cons, then decide that they don't like it then that is their right under a democracy. In the meantime people, who within a day of the initial press release say "we must stop this" deserve all the shit they get.
It's election year, isn't it? Politics is about one post away i reckon.
Tell u what tho, mods; emoticons would really help with interpretation of posts, vis a vis 'humour' intent, or otherwise.
Kotahitanga. We are one.
Be interesting to read what happened at the meeting.
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