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Hopefully we smash Macarthur and don't need to think about some boundary countback bollocks at all!
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So beat Macarthur, beat Adelaide & then beat Melbourne City over 2 Legs and we will be off to Sydney for the Grand Final ...
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If we want to beat Adelaide we will need our whole attacking group to actually take chances. Adelaide will score against us even if we defend the best we have all season. Our attackers must score more, which is possible looking at how many chances we had against them last outing.
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If we want to beat Adelaide we will need our whole attacking group to actually take chances. Adelaide will score against us even if we defend the best we have all season. Our attackers must score more, which is possible looking at how many chances we had against them last outing.

That spanking against Adelaide was actually a good game and for most of the match we were in it. We'll need a bit of luck. I'd make Adelaide favourites but it's not beyond the guys if they can get their heads up and are all on the same page. 
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So if we beat Adelaide, we play in Welly on the weekend of the 12-14th May.
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We're lucky that we've got the easiest route to the final.
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Reflecting on our season so far, it’s fair to say it hasn’t really turned out the way most of us wanted. I had us finishing top 4 with the players we brought in, first season back jn Wellington after Covid and the message the club told us in pre season that this is best team we have ever assembled and that we will aim for our highest finish ever. We showed early on we can turn it on, the win vs MacArthur and Sydney FC showed great tactical strength and mental nous that we have cried out for and really strengthened the hope we had, however it didn’t really continue from there, and fan frustration rightfully grew when things started turning lead shaped rather quickly. Nevertheless, we are in finals. If we lose playing attacking ambitious footy and taking the game on then I’ll take it, and won’t be too upset. Losing parking the bus from minute one and get slapped I’ll be pissed. Nothing to lose from here and I hope that’s the message Talay gives
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Hurricanes play at Sky Stadium on the 13th. I don't think the APL would give us a Friday night game, so probably a Sunday game when we beat Adelaide this Friday?
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So Talay's legacy is good. But without a victory in the finals, will always have a pebble in the shoe feel about it.

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We're lucky that we've got the easiest route to the final.
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The TAB would not agree with you
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We're lucky that we've got the easiest route to the final.
its relative, our odds might be worse if we were on the other side of the draw
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Adelaide away & Melbourne away are the easiest route? I don't dare ask what the hard route is!

All I want is one more game in Welly this season, hopefully we can defy recent history and sneak a win on Friday.
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Adelaide away & Melbourne away are the easiest route? I don't dare ask what the hard route is!

All I want is one more game in Welly this season, hopefully we can defy recent history and sneak a win on Friday.
i thought it was an out of form Adelaide and then CCM but then if I zoom in I see the highest ranked winner/lowest ranked winner text.
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How do we get a home finals game?  I thought since we are 6th we are away no matter what.

Edit: NVM just saw the semi is 2 legs.
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Had a play with the season results & whipped up a table with the 4 extra games removed.

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Roar had Sydney (H), City (H), Victory (A) & Jets (A) whilst we had ADL (H), CCM (H), MAC (A) & MCY (A). 
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So Talay's legacy is good. But without a victory in the finals, will always have a pebble in the shoe feel about it.


It's no wonder C-Diddy lost the reason to post here. Despite an impressive squad The Jets do not seem to have improved and missed out again.  
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Victory have just cut Marchan to bring in another player. WSW supposedly bringing in a German midfielder with excellent pedigree. CCM have already picked up a couple new visas. Loads of activity amongst the chasing pack.
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Us, victory, wanderers and mariners all rightly believe we can all win the title. With most teams below the salary cap and the league being less strong than previous seasons I suppose more teams have a shot to win.
This could result in the top 4 pulling away, and winning more games collectively.. 
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Us, victory, wanderers and mariners all rightly believe we can all win the title. With most teams below the salary cap and the league being less strong than previous seasons I suppose more teams have a shot to win.
This could result in the top 4 pulling away, and winning more games collectively.. 
Sydney are looking dangerous.  Macarthur, reincarnated Brisbane too. Hard to write off City entirely. Especially with teams strengthening their squads.  

It may be tough for some to catch up in the league round robin. But any of current 4th-8th who make the playoffs could win the GF, I think.
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As good as we are looking, I'm not excited just yet. We still have 10 games to go + we have a history of a slump in form in latter stages of the season.
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As good as we are looking, I'm not excited just yet. We still have 10 games to go + we have a history of a slump in form in latter stages of the season.

I feel ya.  Every sign points to success, but 11 years of season passes has me nervous untill the end haha
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Nots sure where to post this, but this the best place. To carry on from the comments around Chief wanting to create the best chances of the game.
 
 Shots for: 182
 Shots against: 322
 
 XG: 24.6
 XGa: 26.4
 
 Big chances for: 42
 Big chances against: 32.
 
 23.1% of our shots are big chances. Compared to 8.2% for the opposition. Each one of our shots has a 13.5% chance of going in. Each shot we concede has a 8.2% chance of scoring.
 
Opponents are outscoring us on Xg through a cumulative of very low chances.
 
We've had a worse XG than our opponents 11 times by an average of 0.77 for 3W, 6D, 2L.  We've won the other 7 games when we've had a higher Xg.
 
Only 6 games where the opposition has had more big chances (last was Adl away) for 2W, 2D, 2L. In the other 12, it's 8W, 4D, 0L.
 
In short, don’t read too much into Xg. 
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So to win every single one of our “mini-tables” we need:
- Win vs Mariners
- Win vs Victory
- Win vs Sydney
- Draw vs City
- Draw vs Brisbane
- Win vs Adelaide
- Win vs Newcastle
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An article for the stats lovers. Look away Fenix, is one there that will not get your approval.

https://aleagues.com.au/news/wellington-phoenix-news-analysis-a-league-men-title-data/

Can Italiano’s side continue to perform at their exceedingly high levels and end their run as the only side in Australia’s top league without a trophy?

Wellington, who finished sixth in the regular campaign last term, have benefitted from a transformed identity under Italiano, prioritising patient possession and capitalising on opportunities when they arise – a tactic becoming increasingly prominent across European football, too.

Phoenix have the highest passing accuracy (85.5%) of any A-League team this season. That is partially explained by them also being the only club in the division to have played fewer than 30% of their passes forward.

The fantastic passing accuracy is the club’s highest figure since Opta records began in the 2012-13 campaign, though Italiano’s men have still managed 30 goals in 18 league games as Kosta Barbarouses (nine goals), Bozhidar Kraev and Oskar Zawada (both five) lead their scoring charts.

An insistence on possession has also translated into Wellington profiting from creating better opportunities in front of goal, with only the Newcastle Jets’ 0.139 expected goals (xG) per shot – a measure of the quality of chances – bettering Phoenix’s 0.137 xG per attempt among A-League teams this campaign.

Although Italiano has created a winning culture at Wellington, as well as altering the in-game philosophy, it remains to be seen whether this approach will be sustainable come the decisive end of the season.

Wellington have made the fewest penalty-area entries (22.1) and high turnovers (5.2) – both per game – of any A-League team, which again emphasises Italiano’s possessional focus and cautious but well-drilled tactic when his team are defending off the ball. 

Though those metrics are far from concerning, Phoenix have also only managed just over 10 shots per game, the fewest of any A-League team in the 2023-24 season and a club-record low since Opta began collecting such data in 2012.

While Wellington, powered by the likes of Barbarouses, Kraev and Zawada, have registered a 55 per cent shooting accuracy and 16% shot conversion rate – both club records since Opta data collection started – the underlying data suggests Italiano’s men are somewhat overperforming due to those exceptional finishing metrics.

Phoenix have outperformed their xG tally, scoring almost five more goals than the quality of chances suggest they should, with only Perth Glory (6.9) capitalising on more unlikely opportunities and boasting a higher differential between goals scored and expected goals.

So they may come under pressure in their top-of-the-table contention if they cannot start to forge a higher volume of opportunities, as their current high standard will be tough for their forwards to maintain over the long term.

Observers may suggest title-winning teams deliver in big moments and take their chances, as Wellington have seemingly done all season, but the data also suggests they have been fortunate at the other end of the pitch, making clear how difficult it will be to sustain their results.

Only Melbourne Victory (18) have conceded fewer goals than Wellington’s 19 and while significant credit should be apportioned to Phoenix’s first-choice goalkeeper Alex Paulsen, Italiano’s men must improve further if they are to secure an unlikely first title.

That is because no A-League side can boast a higher positive differential between expected goals against and actual goals conceded than Wellington’s 7.6. 

When compared to the likes of the Mariners (0) and third-placed Macarthur (3.7), the data suggests Phoenix are somewhat fortunate that their opposing attackers are not punishing them as often as they should based on the chances that are being given up.

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In other words, what a magnificent defence we have this season. Nothing fortunate about that. Wootton, LKH, Surman, as well as Hughes, Payne and Al-Taay, have given the opposition fewer chances than other teams did.
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In other words, what a magnificent defence we have this season. Nothing fortunate about that. Wootton, LKH, Surman, as well as Hughes, Payne and Al-Taay, have given the opposition fewer chances than other teams did.

Agreed. Nothing fortunate about having a solid, stable, well organised defensive unit. It's was clear that Chiefy was going to do this from the start. He was very intent on using the same backline as often as possible, allowing for strong bonds to develop. Thankfully he's only had a couple of injuries and suspensions that have affected that unit and you can see how well its worked!
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Think the Mcarthur game illustrates the problem with xG. Macarthur had 3x the shots that the Phoenix did, and had an xG double the Phoenix. But, despite having a third of the shots of Macarthur, the Phoenix had almost double the shots on target.

Macarther were attempting screamers and most of them ended up in the stands, but the shear amount of shots meant their xG was higher even though the Phoenix had way more good chances.
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Ironically, Chief talks about it in the press conference today from about 12 minutes:

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I want to see the average Nix forward pass  percentage to go below 10%, but they still win the Grand Final. Poor old Fenix with love it & loathe it, all at the same time.

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Out of curiosity I had a look at the run home for the top three teams (ignoring tonights match between Vic and CCM)

The teams will have the following home vs away games in the run home:
Nix: 5 home, 3 away
CCM: 3 home, 5 away
Vic: 4 home, 4 away

The average table position of the teams opposition is:
Nix: 6.5
CCM: 7.9
Vic: 7.4

2 of CCMs last 8 games are against the Jets and with a derby situation, form is often off the table.

The home form table is:
1: CCM
2: Nix
4: Victory

The away form table is:
1: Nix
2: Victory
5: CCM

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So, fairly even run home from the top three teams. Nix have the most home games and good home form but the highest average rated opposition. CCM has the lowest average opposition but their away form isn't great and they have the most away games.

Based on the run of games and form you'd expect the top two to be Nix and Vic.

April 6 away to CCM and April 12 home to Vic obviously critical.
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I know this will be too early to say but I think CCM is really the only team seriously going to be challenging us for the title now. Victory is imploding and their form is awful so they'll for sure keep dropping points, WSW and Sydney are probs just a bit too far behind us unless they go on a perfect run and we lose more than half our remaining games, MacArthur could still have an outside chance but they're still too susceptible to drop points and a lot of their wins/draws have come from last-minute goals so I just can't seem them not dropping points.
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I know this will be too early to say but I think CCM is really the only team seriously going to be challenging us for the title now. Victory is imploding and their form is awful so they'll for sure keep dropping points, WSW and Sydney are probs just a bit too far behind us unless they go on a perfect run and we lose more than half our remaining games, MacArthur could still have an outside chance but they're still too susceptible to drop points and a lot of their wins/draws have come from last-minute goals so I just can't seem them not dropping points.

Completely agree, I'm glad Victory didn't build from that Western win and that the Mariners won their AFC Cup Zonal Final so they have extra games. Ours to lose. 
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Depends on Fornoroli I guess, but rumours are Popa has signed elsewhere next season and so there might be internal turmoil. Shame our game against CCM is away.
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I can’t count properly but I feel like any of the chasing pack is in with a good chance- how many points still up for grabs? 27? At less 21 right? 

WSW seem to be fairly consistent right now and are fired up on their persecution. Marcelo seems to be able to do everything for them. Kosta chipping his block was a big statement for us. Plus they’ve a game in hand …CCM still have the taste of victory in their nose (and the Victory come to that). 

I feel almost like we’re in a mini league starting now. 
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Might be hard for City or Sydney to catch us now. But if they make top 6 they would be a challenge for the playoffs.

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