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AFC Announcement on future of Phoenix

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
goldienz wrote:
maybe we need a chant for keeping us in the a-league?


im currently making a phoenix song to the tune of hey jude but it will be "hey ben", get it ben buckly
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Hard News wrote:
Interestingly the article has disappeared from the OFC website.....
 
I'm taking that as a positive.
 
No doubt the phones are ringing hot between the Nix, NZFA,OFC, FFA, AFC and FIFA.
 
I think the AFC are within their rights to insist that ACL eligibility rules apply to all teams consistently - if we can't meet the eligibility requirements then we can't qualify. Terry has said on the radio today that that is a price he is willing to accept for continuation in the A-League.
 
Where I suspect the AFC have exceeded their mandate is interfering in the rules that govern participation in the A-League - I would have thought that was a matter solely for the FFA and member clubs - as long as no FIFA global rules are breached.
 
The AFC have also acted in self interest and not in the interest of the game globally e.g. developing football in the OFC. In particular their action breaches the agreement / requirement that the OFC would not suffer as a consequence of Australia joining the AFC.
 
I live in hope that once the behind the scenes power struggle is over the AFC will issue a release "clarifying" the earlier release i.e. a more reasonable and favourable future framework for the Phoenix to exist and operate under.
 
If nothing else the issue of the Nix's future has been brought to a head.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Whitby boy wrote:
Hard News wrote:
Interestingly the article has disappeared from the OFC website.....
 
I'm taking that as a positive.
 
No doubt the phones are ringing hot between the Nix, NZFA,OFC, FFA, AFC and FIFA.
 
The AFC have also acted in self interest and not in the interest of the game globally e.g. developing football in the OFC. In particular their action breaches the agreement / requirement that the OFC would not suffer as a consequence of Australia joining the AFC.
 


I'll throw the opposite here:

1. Those parties you have listed above should have sorted this out and sat down together ages ago.

2. When Australia left the OFC the amount of 'help' was not specified as such. Australia gave $3 million to the OFC recently, this is classified as 'help'. ALSO, helping the OFC involves helping the whole region, not just training up half the NZ national team in one team.

Get it, there's a counter argument that someone else (not me) would throw at you.
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Hey Ben, don't make it bad
Keep the Phoenix, in the A-League
Remember all the things they have done
Then you can start to make it better

Hey Ben, don't be afraid
You were made to go out and save us,
The minute you let them under your skin
Then they begin to make it badder

What do you think,ok? or would it be to hard to remember.
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diego's son wrote:
Whitby boy wrote:
Hard News wrote:
Interestingly the article has disappeared from the OFC website.....
 
I'm taking that as a positive.
 
No doubt the phones are ringing hot between the Nix, NZFA,OFC, FFA, AFC and FIFA.
 
The AFC have also acted in self interest and not in the interest of the game globally e.g. developing football in the OFC. In particular their action breaches the agreement / requirement that the OFC would not suffer as a consequence of Australia joining the AFC.
 


I'll throw the opposite here:

1. Those parties you have listed above should have sorted this out and sat down together ages ago.

2. When Australia left the OFC the amount of 'help' was not specified as such. Australia gave $3 million to the OFC recently, this is classified as 'help'. ALSO, helping the OFC involves helping the whole region, not just training up half the NZ national team in one team.

Get it, there's a counter argument that someone else (not me) would throw at you.
 
Re 1; Agreed.
 
Re 2; Agree "help" was unlikely to have been described or quantified in detail - however it is obvious that "Australifying" the Nix is detrimental to football in NZ. I agree with your last comment on helping the region, not just NZ, in which case I think a good case could be made for x imports per A-League team and y OFC players per A-League team.
 
 
 
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Whitby boy wrote:
diego's son wrote:
Whitby boy wrote:
Hard News wrote:
Interestingly the article has disappeared from the OFC website.....
 
I'm taking that as a positive.
 
No doubt the phones are ringing hot between the Nix, NZFA,OFC, FFA, AFC and FIFA.
 
The AFC have also acted in self interest and not in the interest of the game globally e.g. developing football in the OFC. In particular their action breaches the agreement / requirement that the OFC would not suffer as a consequence of Australia joining the AFC.
 


I'll throw the opposite here:

1. Those parties you have listed above should have sorted this out and sat down together ages ago.

2. When Australia left the OFC the amount of 'help' was not specified as such. Australia gave $3 million to the OFC recently, this is classified as 'help'. ALSO, helping the OFC involves helping the whole region, not just training up half the NZ national team in one team.

Get it, there's a counter argument that someone else (not me) would throw at you.
 
Re 1; Agreed.
 
Re 2; Agree "help" was unlikely to have been described or quantified in detail - however it is obvious that "Australifying" the Nix is detrimental to football in NZ. I agree with your last comment on helping the region, not just NZ, in which case I think a good case could be made for x imports per A-League team and y OFC players per A-League team.


Not bad comments, considering I was being cheeky and playing the "other sides" advocate, but yeah, interesting times ahead.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Whitby boy wrote:
Where I suspect the AFC have exceeded their mandate is interfering in the rules that govern participation in the A-League - I would have thought that was a matter solely for the FFA and member clubs - as long as no FIFA global rules are breached.
Yes, participation in the A-League is a matter solely for the FFA.
Participation in the ACL is however a matter solely for the AFC and as such they may impose whatever conditions they see fit.  The FFA does not have to comply with these conditions to run their A-league, but AFC does not have to allow any A-league teams into ACL either.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hey Jude chant
my version (no slight intended to tomrewi ) who made a good effort.
 
Hey Ben, don't make it bad
The phoenix make the A League better
Don't punish us because Bahrain can't
Why don't you just make then better
 
Hey ben don't be afraid
If the phoenix makes the acl
the minute your teams let them win
Begin to make your teams better
 
 
the last bit dosen't quite work
zy10542009-12-18 15:38:40
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zy1054 wrote:
Hey Jude chant
my version (no slight intended to [COLOR=#000000">tomrewi[/COLOR"> ) who made a good effort.

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Hey Ben, don't make it badThe phoenix make the A League betterDon't punish us because Bahrain can'tWhy don't you just make then better

�

Hey ben don't be afraidIf the phoenix makes the aclthe minute your teams let them winBegin to make your teams better

�

�

the last bit dosen't quite work


Yours is much better,lol
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
i don't know about that the last verse is pretty terrible maybe i have a go and making it fit better sometime
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
theres more to life than football.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Or is there?
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
My life would be nothing without the Nix
You know we belong together...

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Oska wrote:
My life would be nothing without the Nix
 
 
Same with me.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

On page 4, I posted among other things that you may have over expertations of FFA power in all this...

FFA are part of the AFC... the AFC have 54 members and many more than 50% as I understand it are saying allowing Australia to have a NZ team is wrong...they want it changed...Further in Asia some times things are done maybe a lttle under the counter and AFC is making all countries comply .. and many say but Australia is not... 
 
So it is far bigger than what appears to be being ackowldeged on this thread... You have two friends in Frank Lowy & FIFA use them well to get usable excemptions .....

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

The OnDemand stuff doesn't work for me ... Can anyone who has heard it sum up this interview for me ? Ta.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
So can someone sum up this whole thread for me?

Basicially does it mean the Phoenix could be screwed?
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Why Can't we be friends
Why Can't we be friends
Why Can't we be friends
Why Can't we be friends

Classic but works. lol
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Just tell AFC we don't give a toss about the ACL. Who cares about it anyway? Play in the A-League, win it and let an Aussie team take our place. 
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Royal wrote:
Just tell AFC we don't give a toss about the ACL. Who cares about it anyway? Play in the A-League, win it and let an Aussie team take our place.�
[/QUOTE] You missed a major part of the article:

[QUOTE]In a letter to FFA, the AFC said from 2012, if Wellington Phoenix FC participate in the A-League under the same conditions (as they are doing now), FFA would fail to meet the criteria and will lose the right to participate in the ACL 2012.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
arnies wrote:
So can someone sum up this whole thread for me?

Basicially does it mean the Phoenix could be screwed?


Err, couldn't you read it yourself?
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
simon_hampton wrote:

The OnDemand stuff doesn't work for me ... Can anyone who has heard it sum up this interview for me ? Ta.

basically alot of discussion etc between phoenix and FFA. underlying tone as piney said was not positive

rojas, so special

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Just been told that radio reported 80% chance Phoenix will be gone after 2011 ????
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Nestling wrote:
Why Can't we be friendsWhy Can't we be friends Why Can't we be friends Why Can't we be friends Classic but works. lol


I like, we shoud use it for the game on the 9th of jan. Im finally coming up for a game and its this one. Would be simple and could get loud.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Royal wrote:
Just been told that radio reported 80% chance Phoenix will be gone after 2011 ????
That statistic is totally made up.
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wellyphoenixfan wrote:
Royal wrote:
Just been told that radio reported 80% chance Phoenix will be gone after 2011 ????
That statistic is totally made up.


Whats the margin of error?
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hopefully about 80%

I'd die if Nix were abandoned. It would spell the end of professional football inside this country (Unless AW's win the World Cup and interest sky rockets and all 8 franchises start getting crowds of 10,000+ a week).
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wellyphoenixfan wrote:
Royal wrote:
Just been told that radio reported 80% chance Phoenix will be gone after 2011 ????
That statistic is totally made up.
any future transfers must be aussies. lucky greeny and ifills contracts will run out by 2012. pick your 4 fave kiwis

rojas, so special

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Royal wrote:
Just been told that radio reported 80% chance Phoenix will be gone after 2011 ????


That was only reported on 60% of radio stations.  23.3% of stations reported a 90% chance, while a staggering 30% reported a 153% chance of the Phoenix staying.
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timmymadden wrote:
Hopefully about 80%

I'd die if Nix were abandoned. It would spell the end of professional football inside this country (Unless AW's win the World Cup and interest sky rockets and all 8 franchises start getting crowds of 10,000+ a week).
 
We must believe.
 
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
simon_hampton wrote:
Oska wrote:
My life would be nothing without the Nix
 
 
Same with me.


I'd walk around empty inside for years to come.  I'd possibly right rude letters to the AFC also.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Royal wrote:
Just been told that radio reported 80% chance Phoenix will be gone after 2011 ????


What a load of garbage.
loyalgunner2009-12-18 20:48:25
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loyalgunner wrote:
simon_hampton wrote:
Oska wrote:
My life would be nothing without the Nix
 
 
Same with me.


I'd walk around empty inside for years to come.  I'd possibly right rude letters to the AFC also.
yup id be shattered. time to start a facebook page someone

rojas, so special

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Heard Terry on TV saying not to worry. But I am well worried. The A-League would not want to loose the best supporters club in the league. 

All Aboard the Phoenix/ All Whites Bandwagon!!

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Hopefully the first hint of a face saving retreat by the AFC.
 

New Zealand Football chairman Frank Van Hattum conceded that his country's football that is basking in the glory of World Cup qualification would be severely hit if the AFC's recommendations went through.

But he also said he suspected something fishy about the news item emanating from AFC headquarters in Kuala Lumpur.

�I�m not convinced of the authenticity of the story because it now has been removed from the AFC's website,� he said. �I think somebody is trying to play games.�

 
 
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'm thinking a good old fashioned keep the faith banner for the 9th GenericFan2009-12-18 19:59:34
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
If the article is Bullsh**, it just shows how much of a joke the AFC is.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
There could be a hundred reasons to temporarily remove the article.  I hope the article is trash, though, as that would be embarassing for the AFC and they may try to make amends in a way.
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loyalgunner wrote:
There could be a hundred reasons to temporarily remove the article.....
 
Yeah but you would hope Van Hattum wasn't just idly speculating and was a little more "in the know" on an issue so central to the future of football in NZ.
 
Anyway a promising post on 4-4-2;
 
"Just some good news in for Wellington Phoenix FC!
Just finished listening to Ben Buckley on local radio in Adelaide and he has confirmed that Wellington Phoenix are very likely to continue in the A-league and decision will be announced in the next few months.
Preliminary discussions with all parties involved (FFA, AFC and FIFA have been very positive)...."
 
 
It will be interesting to hear if tonights commentors can shed any more light on developments.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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loyalgunner wrote:
simon_hampton wrote:
Oska wrote:
My life would be nothing without the Nix
 
 
Same with me.


I'd walk around empty inside for years to come.  I'd possibly right rude letters to the AFC also.


I'd move to Sydney and add some pale blue to my wardrobe.

What?  The club's only a few years old, it's not as though we're losing decades of footballing traditions.
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