Basically we need Bin Hammen to die in a freak yachting accident as he's nothing but trouble.
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It seems harsh, but if NZ going into Asia means the rest of Oceania suffers - sorry guys - but we've got to do what's best for us. Losing the Phoenix would be a huge blow to local football.
It's already been pointed out by others in this thread, that the dollars from TV rights with us playing in Oceania are negligible.
If the All White started playing decent Asian countries on a regular basis, that would immediately raise our profile - and TV revenue for Sky and the code - something we can't do as long as we stay and play in the islands.
If we did force our way into Asia, I suspect that might force FIFA to address the problems in what's left of Oceania and take action - something they can largely ignore as long as there's one mid-level international country - us - playing there.
I believe it needs NZ footballing interests - club and country - to urgently push every button they can, and call in any favours owed, to get NZ into Asia and make the Phoenix a true Asian team. And it's urgent! IMO.
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sorry about the above ,the drugs work in waves...BUT havent the phoenix already dealt a huge blow to NZ football?? The NZFC even when run as superbly badly as it is still got crowds in the first years now with our new soccer supremo wanting "a drop in the standards of the league"*and the low coverage in TV and media generally we are now looking at a situation where on a good weekend we could get a TOTAL crowd figure of less than a 1000....its just BLOODY appalling..
even cheese doesnt comfort me now...
*are we the only football assoc in the world that has a goal of lowering its standards??
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You can't seriously believe that the Phoenix are the cause of the NZFC problems?
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Wait until HappyTed pops in SINZ.
Of course, they will ignore the parlous state of the club game here prior to the existance of the Kingz, and argue away with no genuine evidence just half-baked theory.
Of course, they will ignore the parlous state of the club game here prior to the existance of the Kingz, and argue away with no genuine evidence just half-baked theory.
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What a powerful force this Wellington Phoenix is, to be causing supporters of ACFC and Waitakere to stay away from NZFC games......
I can see it now. I'll be setting out to drive down to Ngaruawahia this weekend to watch Waikato play TW, then I'll catch sight of the Phoenix Member keyring my car keys are on and I'll immediately come to my senses, turn around and drive straight home. 
Read the SKY tv thread. The NZFC isn't getting TV and Media coverage because it was sh*te, and no-one wanted to watch it. sh*t product = No Coverage. Don't quite see how you can blame the Phoenix for that.
Jag2008-12-16 15:53:30Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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I'm an ACFC supporter and I have given up going to games not because of Auckland City, but because of the incompetent whingeing rabble they are playing, which continually tries to bring these teams back to the pack and the NZFC which aids and abets this politically correct nonsense.
You see it seems ACFC and Waitak are"obsessed with winning the O League," and therefore a chance at the CWC. I guess that means that ManU, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool are obsessed with winning the European League. And the Premier League is a failure because the other teams can't compete with this obsession.
Give me a break.
The NZFC is a failure because it has only two clubs with the desire to more than just compete, and don't have this fecking Kiwi feminist dogma which has deemed competition and ambition to being an evil male macho creed which must be stamped out.
Until we actually have a football league that is actually based on solid economic and demographic grounds is based on where the population is and not on petty provincial politics, and these fecking federations, then football in this country will continue to be a laughing stock.
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Sorry, who played in last years final ?
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Y-tak and TW.
In case you forgot HN.
In case you forgot HN.
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Hmmm ever heard of cause and effect...a butterfly farts in Iceland and Football NZ hires 30 more media staff....
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You forget - because of the $600,000 (ish) shortfall in NZ Football's books this year they ended up cutting around 25% of the staff. To my knowledge this meant the media team went from 2 to 1.
A lot of plans for the NZFC regarding media coverage had to be scuppered as cost cutting took hold.
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It seems harsh, but if NZ going into Asia means the rest of Oceania suffers - sorry guys - but we've got to do what's best for us. Losing the Phoenix would be a huge blow to local football.
It's already been pointed out by others in this thread, that the dollars from TV rights with us playing in Oceania are negligible.
If the All White started playing decent Asian countries on a regular basis, that would immediately raise our profile - and TV revenue for Sky and the code - something we can't do as long as we stay and play in the islands.
If we did force our way into Asia, I suspect that might force FIFA to address the problems in what's left of Oceania and take action - something they can largely ignore as long as there's one mid-level international country - us - playing there.
I believe it needs NZ footballing interests - club and country - to urgently push every button they can, and call in any favours owed, to get NZ into Asia and make the Phoenix a true Asian team. And it's urgent! IMO.
Thank you for reposting my earlier post (above) - under your own name. Naughty!
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beg your pardon as I said chemicals intervened.... so NZF has one media man ...whens he back from his holidays??
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It seems like everyone is in agreement that NZ into Asia is logical.
Or is there anyone who can come up with a good argument why we should stay in Oceania? Oceania was doomed the day Australia left.
It just so obvious.....marketing games against the likes of Vanuatu and New Caledonia are a nightmare. The media don't care, sponsers don't care and the public don't care. Oceania is a dog!Playing against Japan, China, Korea, Saudis etc would be completly different.
So what are we waiting for? Does anyone know what NZF current stance is on NZ joining Asia?
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FIFA and OFC will not let it happenin the foreseeable future.
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FIFA and OFC will not let it happenin the foreseeable future.
Is that an educated guess, based on inside knowledge or maybe a prior public statement from either organisation?
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Two reasons.
1, Bin Hamman wants the FIFA presidency, Blatters camp don't want him to have it. Currently Oceania's votes are locked in to the Blatter campand they won't want to hand between 11 and 17 votes over to Bin Hamman and an asian block vote.
2, The Oceania executive currently have significant power and influence. Do we really see them voting themselves out ?
Oceania would fold in seconds if New Zealand left and the current leaders at both FIFA and the OFC can't afford that so it won't happen.
1, Bin Hamman wants the FIFA presidency, Blatters camp don't want him to have it. Currently Oceania's votes are locked in to the Blatter campand they won't want to hand between 11 and 17 votes over to Bin Hamman and an asian block vote.
2, The Oceania executive currently have significant power and influence. Do we really see them voting themselves out ?
Oceania would fold in seconds if New Zealand left and the current leaders at both FIFA and the OFC can't afford that so it won't happen.
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And TW did what before the season started. Went belly up and damn near fecked the whole league, that's what. Two rounds, 14 games, it's a joke and I ain't laughing. I've given up HN. No more of my money will go towards going to watch this circus - and I've been going to games in this country since 1972. And the game needs loyal fans like me.
I can't even go and watch my local team play in the Northern League any more,(and they play at the end of my street) because the w@nkers in United Soccer1 stuffed that great winter league through fecking Federation politics - despite their best clubs protests.
And you can't even go and watch the kids play for Auckland, Wellington and Canterbury any more - they don't exist because of these bloody Federations.
I have no faith that the game will get any better, any time soon.
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Im totally in agreement with DK ....the only way Id be more so is if hed thrown in a mention of his favourite cheese Theres no way chickens would vote for Colonel Sanders and the turkeys we have in charge are not that thick about their well being either...the only way I see us getting out is through a massive and sustained campaign of utter and total incompetance forcing FIFA to let us get out of this gilded septic tank ...
Actually when I read that, the behaviour of NZF seems somehow , well ,um ...brilliant
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Maybe we should just pack up and hold a sit-in at the FIFA headquarters in Schweiz until we get what we want.
I'm gonna start on my list of demands right now.
I'm gonna start on my list of demands right now.
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Can we keep this on topic. There are plenty of topics elsewhere (most of which you started uncleoz) where you can vent about team wellington, the NZFC and NZF.
Well I think there are plenty of arguments for staying in Oceania. We get almost automatic entry to every FIFA tournament below the men's World Cup, we have a much better chance of playing in the men's World Cup, and that will hopefully lead to better exposure for our players overseas, more professional footballers etc. Also, the costs to qualify for these tournaments is minimal so we can use limited funds we have preparing for these tournaments rather than qualifying. That is a big issue and I'm not sure that anyone has thought about how that will affect all football here.
Some of the travel is punishing as well. Will we be able to get out big players back for a week if they have to come to NZ then back to say Dubai and then Europe. Additionally, is Quatar, Indonesia or Vanuatu an easier sell than Vanuatu? We say it is but I'm not that convinced.
It seems like everyone is in agreement that NZ into Asia is logical.
Or is there anyone who can come up with a good argument why we should stay in Oceania? Oceania was doomed the day Australia left.
Or is there anyone who can come up with a good argument why we should stay in Oceania? Oceania was doomed the day Australia left.
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Well I think there are plenty of arguments for staying in Oceania. We get almost automatic entry to every FIFA tournament below the men's World Cup, we have a much better chance of playing in the men's World Cup, and that will hopefully lead to better exposure for our players overseas, more professional footballers etc. Also, the costs to qualify for these tournaments is minimal so we can use limited funds we have preparing for these tournaments rather than qualifying. That is a big issue and I'm not sure that anyone has thought about how that will affect all football here.
Some of the travel is punishing as well. Will we be able to get out big players back for a week if they have to come to NZ then back to say Dubai and then Europe. Additionally, is Quatar, Indonesia or Vanuatu an easier sell than Vanuatu? We say it is but I'm not that convinced.
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Well I think there are plenty of arguments for staying in Oceania. We get almost automatic entry to every FIFA tournament below the men's World Cup.
Yeah, the U20s are doing a great job there...
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I'd like to make a few observations on this thread:
1. Lipstick on a pig
The idea that the Phoenix could ever exist in the A-League as an Australian team based in NZ with no more than three NZ players as "imports" is laughable. No matter how passionately we all want the Phoenix to survive it just won't work.
The fact that there is at least a significant minority of posters to this thread with reservations about that option show what a hard sell it would be to the floating fans who we desperately need to convert. When even the hardcore Phoenix fans who make up Yellow Fever have doubts you really have to ask yourself whether it's a viable option. Think about it - a "New Zealand" team that can't sign NZ players? f**k that.
Please don't even entertain this idea Tony P - you would be trying to put lipstick on a pig.
2. I think I'm turning Japanese?
While the idea of NZ also moving into the AFC is attractive and would solve a lot of problems it just isn't going to happen in the short-term (by 2011 anyway). There's too many political hurdles to overcome, so hoping that this is a possible solution to the current threat faced by the Phoenix is just wishful thinking.
3. Ain't too proud to beg
So what options are left? In short, begging.
The fact is that when Australia jumped shipped to the AFC and FIFA condoned it they collectively stabbed a knife in the already weak heart of Oceania football. The OFC is now a complete footballing backwater and desperately needs help to survive.
Allowing a team from Oceania to play in the A-League, with the full rights and privileges of a team from Australia (like qualification for the ACL) is one small way in which Australia, the AFC and FIFA can show that there is still some honour amongst thieves, and that they genuinely give a sh*t about the state of world football (I know it's a stretch but bear with me...).
f**k the rules and precedents from other parts of the world. This is a special case. We need help and a team from NZ in the A-League is one way to give us some. The Phoenix, NZF and the OFC should be leading a three-pronged attack at all levels that pushes the argument that the Phoenix should be allowed to compete in the A-League as a legitimate exception, one that helps keep NZ and Oceania football viable (and also enhances the A-League in case anyone cares).
terminator_x2008-12-17 22:26:50
1. Lipstick on a pig
The idea that the Phoenix could ever exist in the A-League as an Australian team based in NZ with no more than three NZ players as "imports" is laughable. No matter how passionately we all want the Phoenix to survive it just won't work.
The fact that there is at least a significant minority of posters to this thread with reservations about that option show what a hard sell it would be to the floating fans who we desperately need to convert. When even the hardcore Phoenix fans who make up Yellow Fever have doubts you really have to ask yourself whether it's a viable option. Think about it - a "New Zealand" team that can't sign NZ players? f**k that.
Please don't even entertain this idea Tony P - you would be trying to put lipstick on a pig.
2. I think I'm turning Japanese?
While the idea of NZ also moving into the AFC is attractive and would solve a lot of problems it just isn't going to happen in the short-term (by 2011 anyway). There's too many political hurdles to overcome, so hoping that this is a possible solution to the current threat faced by the Phoenix is just wishful thinking.
3. Ain't too proud to beg
So what options are left? In short, begging.
The fact is that when Australia jumped shipped to the AFC and FIFA condoned it they collectively stabbed a knife in the already weak heart of Oceania football. The OFC is now a complete footballing backwater and desperately needs help to survive.
Allowing a team from Oceania to play in the A-League, with the full rights and privileges of a team from Australia (like qualification for the ACL) is one small way in which Australia, the AFC and FIFA can show that there is still some honour amongst thieves, and that they genuinely give a sh*t about the state of world football (I know it's a stretch but bear with me...).
f**k the rules and precedents from other parts of the world. This is a special case. We need help and a team from NZ in the A-League is one way to give us some. The Phoenix, NZF and the OFC should be leading a three-pronged attack at all levels that pushes the argument that the Phoenix should be allowed to compete in the A-League as a legitimate exception, one that helps keep NZ and Oceania football viable (and also enhances the A-League in case anyone cares).
terminator_x2008-12-17 22:26:50
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Exactly right T X, and I think we need to go over the head of Asia and straight to FIFA who gave us our original authorisation.
El grap, yes you're right but it also exposes the counter argument as to how we'd get in to the U20s if we were qualifying through Asia. I'd love us to be in Asia, but there are definitely aguments for keeping us in Oceania.
El grap, yes you're right but it also exposes the counter argument as to how we'd get in to the U20s if we were qualifying through Asia. I'd love us to be in Asia, but there are definitely aguments for keeping us in Oceania.
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Well I think there are plenty of arguments for staying in Oceania. We get almost automatic entry to every FIFA tournament below the men's World Cup, we have a much better chance of playing in the men's World Cup, and that will hopefully lead to better exposure for our players overseas, more professional footballers etc. Also, the costs to qualify for these tournaments is minimal so we can use limited funds we have preparing for these tournaments rather than qualifying. That is a big issue and I'm not sure that anyone has thought about how that will affect all football here.
Some of the travel is punishing as well. Will we be able to get out big players back for a week if they have to come to NZ then back to say Dubai and then Europe. Additionally, is Quatar, Indonesia or Vanuatu an easier sell than Vanuatu? We say it is but I'm not that convinced.
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I disagree that we have a much better chance of qualifying for the World Cup through Oceania. A one chance saloon without a decent lead-in is harder than if you've had a decent buildup from which the team has gelled. Australia didn't get to the World Cup too often via Oceania remember.
I think we'd get much much better exposure for our players via a decent campaign as well. We could get some of our better players going to play in Japan or South Korea as some Australian players are doing.
Regarding costs, while they may be higher, so might income.
And surely three home games in a group against say Qatar, South Korea and China would be much more attractive to the public than Vanuatu and Fiji? to the majority of the public Fiji and Vanutau are only places where you can lie on a beach. People have an idea that Koreans and Chinese can play sport so they would be turning up to watch an entertaining contest.
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I really can't see the non footballing public taking All Whites football seriously as long as we play in the Pacific Islands group.
Football and rugby 7s must be the only sports that measure themselves against Fiji, Tonga etc.
For credibility we need to be in the same group as Australia playing with the big boys of Asian football not pissing about in the Oceania backwater.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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(a) Australia never got to play the 5th placed asian side, they were always up against Sth America which is significantly harder.
(b) Look at the teams who will probably wualify from Asia. Australia, Sth Korea, China and Japan. In a league format I really think we would struggle, better prepared or not. Even some of the other side like quatar and kazakhstan are good, well resourced football sides (unlike us).
(c) No-one has shown me anything to suggest incomes will be higher. Remember that we have to take out USD 500,000 or USD 1m, not sure, for qualifying for the confeds cup and the money for the CWC that filters down. Thats money we DEFINITELY won't receive.
(d) We wouldn't get Quatar, Sth Korea and China in a group. Take a look at the sides in the FIRST round of matches (we're in the second round now). There are a lot of poor sides that I think would be equally uninspiring for the general public. Try selling Singapore, Bahrain, Iraq, Uzbekistan to the general public.
Again, these are ARGUMENTS why we should stay in Oceania, at least for the time being. I'd love for us to be in Asia but it's not that simple.
(b) Look at the teams who will probably wualify from Asia. Australia, Sth Korea, China and Japan. In a league format I really think we would struggle, better prepared or not. Even some of the other side like quatar and kazakhstan are good, well resourced football sides (unlike us).
(c) No-one has shown me anything to suggest incomes will be higher. Remember that we have to take out USD 500,000 or USD 1m, not sure, for qualifying for the confeds cup and the money for the CWC that filters down. Thats money we DEFINITELY won't receive.
(d) We wouldn't get Quatar, Sth Korea and China in a group. Take a look at the sides in the FIRST round of matches (we're in the second round now). There are a lot of poor sides that I think would be equally uninspiring for the general public. Try selling Singapore, Bahrain, Iraq, Uzbekistan to the general public.
Again, these are ARGUMENTS why we should stay in Oceania, at least for the time being. I'd love for us to be in Asia but it's not that simple.
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(a) Australia never got to play the 5th placed asian side, they were always up against Sth America which is significantly harder.
(b) Look at the teams who will probably wualify from Asia. Australia, Sth Korea, China and Japan. In a league format I really think we would struggle, better prepared or not. Even some of the other side like quatar and kazakhstan are good, well resourced football sides (unlike us).
(c) No-one has shown me anything to suggest incomes will be higher. Remember that we have to take out USD 500,000 or USD 1m, not sure, for qualifying for the confeds cup and the money for the CWC that filters down. Thats money we DEFINITELY won't receive.
(d) We wouldn't get Quatar, Sth Korea and China in a group. Take a look at the sides in the FIRST round of matches (we're in the second round now). There are a lot of poor sides that I think would be equally uninspiring for the general public. Try selling Singapore, Bahrain, Iraq, Uzbekistan to the general public.
Again, these are ARGUMENTS why we should stay in Oceania, at least for the time being. I'd love for us to be in Asia but it's not that simple.
(b) Look at the teams who will probably wualify from Asia. Australia, Sth Korea, China and Japan. In a league format I really think we would struggle, better prepared or not. Even some of the other side like quatar and kazakhstan are good, well resourced football sides (unlike us).
(c) No-one has shown me anything to suggest incomes will be higher. Remember that we have to take out USD 500,000 or USD 1m, not sure, for qualifying for the confeds cup and the money for the CWC that filters down. Thats money we DEFINITELY won't receive.
(d) We wouldn't get Quatar, Sth Korea and China in a group. Take a look at the sides in the FIRST round of matches (we're in the second round now). There are a lot of poor sides that I think would be equally uninspiring for the general public. Try selling Singapore, Bahrain, Iraq, Uzbekistan to the general public.
Again, these are ARGUMENTS why we should stay in Oceania, at least for the time being. I'd love for us to be in Asia but it's not that simple.
I agree it's not simple, and as HN has pointed out there are political reasons why it will be very difficult in the short term (although I dearly hope we will still try).
We should theoretically get into the final round of Asian qualifying. Recent form suggests the Socceroos are three or four goals better than Qatar, and in the past we have been within three or four goals of the Socceroos so we should be comparable. China didn't make it to the final round of Asian qualifying this time and they should also be at a similar level, so it would be by no means guaranteed, but if we cannot target getting past the likes of Singapore and Oman then we might as well stick to snail boat racing. Kazakhstan are crap and they are in UEFA.
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Well Iraq are Asian champions aren't they??? won the cup? Or something. The Asian teams wouldl be a better sell than the pacific island teams, especially if we get some rivalries going.
But it certainly helps that names like Smeltz and Brown get on the news and in the papers scoring goals. The more coverage the better.
Asia would be a big competition for our international and club sides. Get Jim Bolger on the case. He was declaring us Asian over ten years ago.
But it certainly helps that names like Smeltz and Brown get on the news and in the papers scoring goals. The more coverage the better.
Asia would be a big competition for our international and club sides. Get Jim Bolger on the case. He was declaring us Asian over ten years ago.
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jd, I accept your points about the advantages of staying in Oceania but if NZ seriously wants to improve its standard of football and its profile then becoming part of Asia would be desirable in the long term. There is no better way to improve your football than by regularly playing better teams. I don't see much long term advantage for NZ in scraping through a WC playoff, getting to South Africa, then perhaps getting thumped 5-0 a couple of times by top teams.
I know that's a pessimistic viewpoint but I don't think it's so very unlikely unfortunately. There is simply nothing whatsoever to be gained from playing Pacific nations. The so-called poor Asian teams you used as examples are anything but poor and would provide us with stern opposition whether in WC qualifiers or Asian Cup. I believe NZ football followers would very quickly realise this and turn out in far greater numbers for matches. I know it's a long time ago now but the '82 campaign, which was essentially an Asian campaign, proved that a snowball effect can occur and that the general public will get behind a NZ team playing quality sides.
For me the ultimate aim is not simply to get to a World Cup, it's to get there and have the capacity to do something surprising, something that really captures the imagination and permanently forces the game into the sporting spotlight in NZ.
Again, this is all pie in the sky because they'll never let us into Asia ayway.
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lol @ calling Iraq and Uzbekistan 'poor' sides.
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StopOut, Valeo, I agree with what you are saying. I'm just trying to point out that a lot of people are saying Asia, Asia Asia but that there are some real, tangible advantages for us staying in Oceania. I'm not saying that they should necessarily be enough to keep us here, but I was responding to a poster earlier who asked for arguments as to why we should stay in Oceania. And I do think some of the arguments have merit. Perhaps for our future we will benefit most staying in oceania for the next say 5 years with all of our junior sides going to major tournaments and being exposed at that level and consequentially improving our national side when we have generations of better players?
james dean2008-12-18 01:06:28
Valeo, sorry I chose my words incorrectly as I know that they are not poor sides. What I am saying is that people automatically think that we would get bigger crowds going into Asia. I don't think that is the case when we play against some of the lower profile Asian sides, like those I nominated. I'm just not sure that realistically we'll get the increased income that we are assuming from an increase in crowds because to do that we need to get outside into the mainstream, and I'm not sure a lot of people would be interested in a game against Singapore anymore than a game against Vanuatu.
Based on our recent performances I'm not sure we'd even get into the second round of qualifying in Asia so WhitbyBoy we may not even get a chance at the so called big boys.
Finally SC03, I meant Uzbekistan not Kazakhstan (I think), I always get the two mixed up! And yes, I'm not sure we'd be allowed to jump ship at all anyway.
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I'd like to make a few observations on this thread:
1. Lipstick on a pig
The idea that the Phoenix could ever exist in the A-League as an Australian team based in NZ with no more than three NZ players as "imports" is laughable. No matter how passionately we all want the Phoenix to survive it just won't work.
1. Lipstick on a pig
The idea that the Phoenix could ever exist in the A-League as an Australian team based in NZ with no more than three NZ players as "imports" is laughable. No matter how passionately we all want the Phoenix to survive it just won't work.
Too true, but if it's a choice between having an "Aussie" Nix or not having one at all then I'd like to have one please.
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I agree that there are some arguments for staying in oceania. But for me they are far outweighed by the go to Asia arguments. Remember Mr Asia said " I want the Phoenix out of the A-League after 2011". This guy is a very powerful man and is not joking.
Where would we be in 2012 when he gets his way? No Phoenix and the All Whites off to Suva to play Fiji again............boring! Where we would we be if by some miracle we were in Asia in 2012? a safe and secure Phoenix and the All Whites off on a middle east WC qualifying tour.
I am old enough to remember the 1982 world cup campaign. The games were all against Asian and middle East sides. It really caught the publics imagination and was a great time to be a football fan. Everyone was on board, media, sponsors and the public. If we were playing in a WC qualifying campaign in Asia it would be much easier to sell to the public. Plus you could find sponsors for the campaign....e.g Fonterra do heaps of business in Asia. Try getting anyone to sponsor games against Vanuatu.
Asia is fast becoming the worlds economic powerhouse...we need to be in there. Oceania is a dog! a dead end backwater.!
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I agree that there are some arguments for staying in oceania. But for me they are far outweighed by the go to Asia arguments. Remember Mr Asia said " I want the Phoenix out of the A-League after 2011". This guy is a very powerful man and is not joking.
Where would we be in 2012 when he gets his way? No Phoenix and the All Whites off to Suva to play Fiji again............boring! Where we would we be if by some miracle we were in Asia in 2012? a safe and secure Phoenix and the All Whites off on a middle east WC qualifying tour.
I am old enough to remember the 1982 world cup campaign. The games were all against Asian and middle East sides. It really caught the publics imagination and was a great time to be a football fan. Everyone was on board, media, sponsors and the public. If we were playing in a WC qualifying campaign in Asia it would be much easier to sell to the public. Plus you could find sponsors for the campaign....e.g Fonterra do heaps of business in Asia. Try getting anyone to sponsor games against Vanuatu.
Asia is fast becoming the worlds economic powerhouse...we need to be in there. Oceania is a dog! a dead end backwater.!
I agree
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Guys, we're going in circles here. JD is basically right (even though he's jumbled up Asian teams in terms of quality, but that's beside the point) - there's no guarantees that simply by going to Asia crowds are going to flock to watch the AWs and the NZF income would sky-rocket. Going to Asia is beneficial to our football in the long-term, and therefore should be a long-term goal, but 1) if we rushed into it, it could kill the game in this country before our very own eyes and 2) this move won't happen any time soon as neither FIFA nor OFC would want to let us go with the situation as it's right now.
The focus now should be to get as much as we can out of the OFC (Confed Cup, age-grade tournaments, although I personally think the WCis a step too far at this point), while putting in place long-term strategies for the eventual move to Asia. And I mean serious planning here, not just wishful/best-case scenario thinking.
The focus now should be to get as much as we can out of the OFC (Confed Cup, age-grade tournaments, although I personally think the WCis a step too far at this point), while putting in place long-term strategies for the eventual move to Asia. And I mean serious planning here, not just wishful/best-case scenario thinking.
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Ok El Grad. that actually makes sense.
martinb2008-12-18 13:25:41
But the 'Nix. 2011. Apart from Royal and his porkers, it would kill what the club stands for. Basically it would be us paying to develop Australian players.
What needs to happen is us to draw with Spain (or better), qualify for the world cup, pigs (lipstick or otherwise) not to fly, the 'Nix crowds to skyrocket, FIFA and the FFA to sort something out while we wait for the long term. Blackburn winning the Premiership too could be handy...
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I agree with you JD, btw - I would argue that teams like Uzbekistan would garner even less interest than teams like Fiji. In Australia the Socceroos got a huge boost in popularity because of the World Cup and I don't think it really matters who they play anymore - people will turn up. People still aren't that interested in the Qatar's of the world though.
IMO we are a couple of decades behind Australia football-wise and going into Asia will not magically solve our financial and infrastructure problems. (though it would certainly help the Nix!) It's a bit unfortunate that football didn't push on in NZ after the '82 World Cup.
valeo2008-12-18 14:04:23
IMO we are a couple of decades behind Australia football-wise and going into Asia will not magically solve our financial and infrastructure problems. (though it would certainly help the Nix!) It's a bit unfortunate that football didn't push on in NZ after the '82 World Cup.
valeo2008-12-18 14:04:23
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