Alternative Wellington Stadium

Alternative Wellington Stadium

I have no doubt that this has been discussed before, but the search function is difficult for someone like me to navigate.

Actually, too many results returned, not enough time to trawl through.

Could somebody please point me in the direction of any conversation we have had about the Nix moving from the ROF to a purpose built facility, or an established one. Then delete this thread.

Thanks

I could just summarise it for you. 

We won't be.  Possible stadiums would be:
Basin - No lights so doesn't meet FFA criteria.  Used for cricket in summer.
Newtown - too small. no lights.
Porirua Park. Too small.
2ndBest2010-11-06 11:27:55

Westpac stadiums public transport location = only reason we get any sort of a crowd.

Also,as if we have the money to fork out for a new stadium when we have a perfectly good one already. We barely have enough for players.

Would also suck to spend up on a purpose built stadium only for the FFA to decide they don't want us anymore.Tegal2010-11-06 11:45:45

IBTL

A rectangular stadium should have been built in the beginning and basin reserve upgraded. Simple as that.

did someone say....poooollllllll?

so there isnt a dedicated thread? i know the chances are pretty much non existent (stadium, not thread) but I was just kinda interested to read peoples view on it. It came up in a discussion I had with a couple of friends last night.

5-10k in a 36k stadium is a tad depressing, but no other real alternatives - my opinion. mikecj2010-11-06 16:36:00

Wanganui stadium looked nice when i was up there last week..good on a summers night...bit of a road trip tho.

This. I wonder if the stadium has fire insurance, and if it's possible to burn it. My guess is no, no. We could sink it though.

 

Least we know nobody would be wearing opposition colours

And thats Whanganui not Wanganui. Anywhay, I dont think they whould whelcome the Whoenix after all whe have said about their ex mayor

This is a good thread. Yes, it probably won't happen in the next couple of years, but a purpose built stadium is exactly what the Phoenix needs in the future so it's worth thinking about.




Enough negativity - sometimes you have to dream a little for a great project to be born. Putting $5 million into a new football club in Wellington was a risky act in the first place. Wait a few more years for the club's support to stabilise, then look at establishing a new ground.

In the US it is common for teams to be hosted on the grounds of a university (LA Galaxy are based at California State University)... got me thinking about doing something with Kelburn Park in collaboration with VUW...

http://wikimapia.org/1623729/Kelburn-Park

A boutique 15,000 seater with one end left 'open' so you can see the city and harbour in the background (same concept as the CCM stadium where one end is left open so you can see through to the sea).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetongue_Stadium

It's also common for US universities to have competitive sports teams in well-attended leagues with athletes who receive significant scholarship dollars.  Somehow I don't think there's enough demand in Wellington for 15,000 paying customers to see Old Boys-University 1st XV. Otherwise the upgraded Boyd Wilson Field would have a lot more seating than the five or so benches recently added. VUW has no reason to build a stadium anytime soon, nor does any university in New Zealand.

It's called realism.

We barely had/have a team by the skin of our teeth...No side in Australia can really afford a cute little purpose built stadium for themselves,and we certainly cant.

Besides,the other reason we get crowds is because of the westpac stadiums proximity to public transport,and the culture of attending events at that stadium.

A purpose built stadium would have to be built out somewhere weird,where no one will bother going to.

Thirdly,what is the point in blowing millions that we dont have,on a new stadium,when we have an excellent one to use already?Tegal2010-11-07 16:58:28

I cant believe the crap in this thread.

I think my conversation with my friends didn't just involve the Phoenix. The fact that a 36,000+ stadium was built to hold predominately sub 20,000+ provincial games for Rugby, Cricket and now football was an interesting move. I mentioned nothing of the nix's current standing on the ladder or the recession.

The sea of yellow seats is just interesting, especially after watching MLS games on ESPN, a league that has built up with a lot of sponsorship help to a point where teams build their own grounds (or arenas as some over there call them).mikecj2010-11-07 20:05:41

Mls still has the money to do that.

It's an all purpose stadium,so the 36k is for events like the all blacks,all whites vs Bahrain,concerts. Even super 14 rugby gets 20k+ at times,and finals would be sellout or close to it.

They didn't build the stadium for low attendance (comparatively) like
the Phoenix. And the Phoenix can't afford to build a stadium for itself just because we don't get the crowd attendance to fill the current stadium

some old threads, about it...

http://www.yellowfever.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11688&KW=stadium

http://www.yellowfever.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=621&KW=stadium

http://yellowfever.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15

Two words.

Multi purpose.

The thing is the stadium was built to accommodate cricket when it didn't need to. If they were content with cricket down the road they could have had a rectangular stadium but it still would have been 30k+ capacity because of (primarily) the money made from concerts and big events like All Black tests.

Other Stadiums in the league have the same problem with empty seats (think Suncorp) and it's a minor issue anyway.

Thank you

You're probably right. But my idea (building a 15,000 seater at Kelburn Park with one end opening out to the city and harbour) is pretty f**king brilliant. And sometimes one brilliant idea beats a million 'realists.' 

It's only brilliant if it is a possibility.

Make. Believe.

Brilliant? Really?

For:
- It'd be nice to have a 15k rectangular stadium fullstop

Against:
- No parking
- Cannot host concerts, a significant source of income for stadiums
- Will only host ~15 event days a year that would come even close to profitable
- Massive expenditure for the Phoenix who don't have the money
- Massive expenditure for VUW who have no reason to invest in a stadium
- Will certainly get blocked by residents association
- No guarantee the Phoenix will even exist by the time it gets completed
- Significantly less accessible for out of towners
- Roading infrastructure in the area insufficient to deal with accompanying traffic
- Would lose a decent community sports ground in the process, including the clubrooms for VUW's football and league teams.
- Up a big bloody hill that students whine about all the time (read - excuse for casuals to cop out of going to matches)
- No decent pubs nearby
- View of the city and harbour blocked by greenbelt anyway


Sorry mate, it's far from brilliant. And even if it were, one brilliant idea never beats a million realists when that one idea is financially absurd. Especially since decisions aren't made by the people with ideas - they're made by the people signing the cheque.

The only way we'd get a rectangular stadium is if WRFU wanted one. Which they seemingly don't. And if they did, it wouldn't be built at Kelburn Park.

Peowed.

Has the stadium ever been close to selling out for Cricket? Apart from concerts etc, has there ever been any need for a circular stadium?

yeah that's what I have thought of as one of the positives of a circular stadium.

Phoenix home = Ring of fire.

When I said it was a brilliant idea I was talking about the experience of what it would be like to be there. It cracks me up how that went over your head and you proceed to logically break down all the precise reasons why it won't happen.

Time to focus on filling up ROF I suppose, but for the dreamers I will leave you with this:

http://wallpapers.3yen.com/wp-content/images/Tokyo-football-on-roof.jpg

They also have shit atmosphere and areas which are lightyears from the pitch.Buffon II2010-11-10 19:32:48

Do the Hurricanes routinely fill the RoF? What about rugby leage?do they have a team/ground? No chance of a groundshare proposal, I suppose?

This.

The correct spelling is "eviscerate". That enough for ya?

I thought the Bahrain game had awesome atmosphere but maybe that's just me.

Also I saw the Middlesbro v Crystal Palace highlights the other day in a rectangular stadium with about 10k in attendance and the atmosphere seemed crap. Much worse than a Nix game. I think it's the people rather than the stadium that really make the atmosphere. Sure a good stadium helps but passionate supporters help more :)