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AMI Stadium - Away 'Home' Games

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Gooner 4 Life wrote:
paullt wrote:
I found it quite interesting that the local'supporters' seemed to chant their favourite rugby songs but putting in phoenix every now and again....and what is it with the yellow buckets?
 
I'm sure I could hear the netball chant "Lets go Phoenix, Lets go"  Made me cringe.
 
Thank God they did not give away free bangers!
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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The Thinker wrote:
One thing not mentioned on here is the possibility of an Australian team playing one of their home ganmes against the Nix in Chch. ie, gold coast could either get 4000 at home or play their nix home game in chch and get 15-20k.
 
Good point, no problem if CHCH approach some other A League team and see if they want to play a "Home" game down there. Sadly, I think the Aussie teams will issue a 2 word statement.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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Its happened in the past.

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auskiwi wrote:
Addicks wrote:
auskiwi wrote:
Massive advertising doesn't change the fact its a s**t beer.
Palmy would be much better if you picked a sunny day and got the speedway to take down the wire. Wouldn't think thats a big deal. Harder to get the sunny day, ( as is Welly)
With Manawatu rugby 50/50 its a good place to grow support for a Wellington side, Chch is a good place to grow support for another francise.
Anyway anywhere that puts some money back into Terrys pocket is a good thing.
When is Wellington going to do that?
 
I hope you are joking, because if not you're being pretty f**king disrespectful to the people who go to every game, buy season passes and try to get as many of their friends to the games as possible.  Wellington has a strong average attendance, do you think we all waltz in for free mate?
 
No I'm not, settle down and take it like a man not a thin skinned little b*tch.
I think the support from Wellington is fantastic.
AND the support from the fever is the best in the competition, so hopfully you can untwist your panties and work out where I'm coming from.
 
Tell you what, I'll "take it like a man" (what's with the faux-staunchness, this isn't a rugby forum) if you exhibit the reasoning skills of one.
 
'Wellington support is fantastic.'  Ok, I get that. The majority of the income comes from TV rights, and then from advertising, gate sales, and merchandise, Wellington's supporters providing the majority of the latter two income streams.  So no, since most of the money that Terry gets out of the investment comes from Wellington, I don't get where you are coming from although it appears to come out of a place directly underneath those panties of your own.

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scousek1w1 wrote:
Got a point there on it being Terrys Wellington team. But as I posted on a LFC site last night it was fantastic to watch a decent team live. I suspect the money men in CHCH are waiting for the NZFRU to let Super rugby go private. And the Aussie's wouldn't want a second team in the A League?


1. After the current concerns with the AFC, the FFA would be loath to a second NZ team for the time being
2. Was a once-off game. In saying that, the game in Chrischurch was the highest (so-far) of the round.
3. How come the stand on the wing was so high? It looked high off the ground on TV.
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Lonegunmen wrote:
The Thinker wrote:
One thing not mentioned on here is the possibility of an Australian team playing one of their home ganmes against the Nix in Chch. ie, gold coast could either get 4000 at home or play their nix home game in chch and get 15-20k.
 
Good point, no problem if CHCH approach some other A League team and see if they want to play a "Home" game down there. Sadly, I think the Aussie teams will issue a 2 word statement.


I would almost be certain they will be looking into it already, as you say 3-4k at Skilled Park or say 15k in Ch-Ch, obviously increased costs (ie travel), but other teams (NRL for instance) have done it, and it is worth their while if they can get a certain gate.



"You can never get a bloody tradesman at Easter, it's a wonder Jesus got crucified" - Karl Pilkington

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Dougie Rydal wrote:
Lonegunmen wrote:
The Thinker wrote:
One thing not mentioned on here is the possibility of an Australian team playing one of their home ganmes against the Nix in Chch. ie, gold coast could either get 4000 at home or play their nix home game in chch and get 15-20k.
 
Good point, no problem if CHCH approach some other A League team and see if they want to play a "Home" game down there. Sadly, I think the Aussie teams will issue a 2 word statement.


I would almost be certain they will be looking into it already, as you say 3-4k at Skilled Park or say 15k in Ch-Ch, obviously increased costs (ie travel), but other teams (NRL for instance) have done it, and it is worth their while if they can get a certain gate.



It's happened in the AFL and the NRL, but normally what happens is that the home team 'selling' the game is guaranteed a minimum set income for the right to sell the game. For example, Western Bulldogs in the AFL sold a game vs Port Adelaide to Darwin recently. They were guaranteed a minimum of $400,000 for that right.

Also, don't forget, the A-League is still a formative market (versus the established AFL and NRL comps) so any early plans to sell home games may dilute an already difficult-to-attract supporter base.

Maybe 10 years in and supporter patterns are established can the A-League look into this, but for now, I'd say it's too risky to distance emerging supporters by selling home games in volatile markets.
diego's son2010-02-01 19:40:08
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if terry needs the money for the Nix to survive - the so be it
 
if not - then  I'm not in favour of giving home games away
 
 i've only missed 1 1/2  proper home games in 3 seasons and they were unavoidable
 
i hated mising the 2 games this season, but i was crook for the palmy one and couldn't justify the dollars and time for chch
 
i want the team I support loyally to be loyal to me (and all other wellington fans)
 
 
i'd love it if chch (or anywhere in nz) had another a-league team
 
til then i don't want to miss 1 or 2 games each season - unless Terry needs the money to stay involved
 
 
tigers2010-02-01 19:42:51
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diego's son wrote:
Dougie Rydal wrote:
Lonegunmen wrote:
The Thinker wrote:
One thing not mentioned on here is the possibility of an Australian team playing one of their home ganmes against the Nix in Chch. ie, gold coast could either get 4000 at home or play their nix home game in chch and get 15-20k.
 
Good point, no problem if CHCH approach some other A League team and see if they want to play a "Home" game down there. Sadly, I think the Aussie teams will issue a 2 word statement.


I would almost be certain they will be looking into it already, as you say 3-4k at Skilled Park or say 15k in Ch-Ch, obviously increased costs (ie travel), but other teams (NRL for instance) have done it, and it is worth their while if they can get a certain gate.



It's happened in the AFL and the NRL, but normally what happens is that the home team 'selling' the game is guaranteed a minimum set income for the right to sell the game. For example, Western Bulldogs in the AFL sold a game vs Port Adelaide to Darwin recently. They were guaranteed a minimum of $400,000 for that right.

Also, don't forget, the A-League is still a formative market (versus the established AFL and NRL comps) so any early plans to sell home games may dilute an already difficult-to-attract supporter base.

Maybe 10 years in and supporter patterns are established can the A-League look into this, but for now, I'd say it's too risky to distance emerging supporters by selling home games in volatile markets.
Good point. Especially when the likes of  GCU fans are already f**ked off about being limited to 5000 at home games, it would distance the fan base even more.
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Lonegunmen wrote:
The Thinker wrote:
One thing not mentioned on here is the possibility of an Australian team playing one of their home ganmes against the Nix in Chch. ie, gold coast could either get 4000 at home or play their nix home game in chch and get 15-20k.

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Good point, no problem if CHCH approach some other A League team and see if they want to play a "Home" game down there. Sadly,�I think the Aussie teams will issue a 2 word statement.


Yes please?
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Aaaww maaaate!

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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Paul wrote:
I think I've almost changed my mind about games in CCch after this one.  On principle I still don't like home games being played away, but it's hard to argue with a crowd attendance record!  We enjoyed the Buskers Festival as well - good timing! Well done Christchurch - but come on Wellington, we need to get our crowd record back!!   NB we should never ever ever return to that PNth sh*thole though!
Should be a bumper crowd at the next ROF game, and boy did you get it spot on with your comment about PNth "Stadium" They shouldn't have named the rubbish tip after John Cleese, a bigger insult would have been to renamed the FMG the John Cleese Stadium.
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No f*cking way this should be an annual event.
 
No disrespect, but we're the WELLINGTON Phoenix, end of...
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  Brilliant M P
 
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Whatever benefits the club I'm keen for. Also, Terry is a fan of promoting Football to kids in New Zealand, and if he wants to do this by playing a game somewhere else in New Zealand and that's successful - fine by me.
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Colvinator wrote:
Whatever benefits the club I'm keen for. Also, Terry is a fan of promoting Football to kids in New Zealand, and if he wants to do this by playing a game somewhere else in New Zealand and that's successful - fine by me.
 
No problems with that, in fact I'd support pretty much anything along those lines with the exception of having home games for the Wellingotn Phoenix played away throughout the season.
 
Off season exhibition matches in Kaitaia? Fine!
 
Players go on a trip to Gore Primary school to grow the game in the nations home of Country Music? No problems!
 
Playing regulation home matches outside of Wellington on a regular basis? You're having a laugh!
 
 
Milky Pisswit2010-02-02 13:53:24
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Lets not forget additional opportunities that will/may be presented if/when we have a reserve/yoof team either.

And yes, I realise it isn't the same.



Thank you.
E + R + O

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I can't see this going down well.
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Last season, games outside of Wellington was a topic and quickly became a no-go. This season, we were told it was only happening for two games because there was no choice. Next season, we're giving up two games willingly. What will it be the season after?
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SiNZ wrote:
Last�season, games outside of Wellington was a topic and quickly became a no-go. This season, we were told it was only happening for two games because there was no choice. Next season, we're giving up two games willingly. What will it be the season after?


New Zealand Phoenix. Why the f**k would we even bother considering another game in Palmy? Wake up Tony. You got 7k most of which travelled up from welly. Way to treat your key fan base, with a big drive. I could deal with another CHCH game, they deserve it but another 2 out of Wellington seem like a slap in the face after this years 'forced' story.
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Massive spin on this story...
 
Line: The Phoenix are set to do the almost unthinkable � play an A-League match in Auckland. Club chief executive Tony Pignata has confirmed he's looking to whip the Wellington bandwagon into a fully-fledged New Zealand brand, lifting two A-League home games out of Wellington each year...
 
Actual quote from TP: "We could take a couple of games outside of Wellington. I'm not discounting Auckland..."
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Chch once a year I could agree with. Auckland, and 2 games a year without home advantage? No f**king way.

In saying that, ff this is what they have to do to keep Terry's pockets a little happier then I guess you can't argue.
valeo2010-02-07 11:30:25

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He also says somewhere at the end that it will never become the NZ Phoenix, and it's always going to be 100% Wellington.
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And the fact itll be a big match vs sydney or melbourne! Not happy. And also goes to show that the "we had no choice" crap we were spilled at the beginning of the season was,as i expected,a load of sh*te.
Tegal2010-02-07 11:41:52

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timmymadden wrote:
He also says somewhere at the end that it will never become the NZ Phoenix, and it's always going to be 100% Wellington.
More like 83% wellington

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Tegal wrote:
 
And the fact itll be a big match vs sydney or melbourne! Not happy. And also goes to show that the "we had no choice" crap we were spilled at the beginning of the season was,as i expected,a load of sh*te.
No it wasn't...they didn't have any choice this season....they had to take those two games away for the reasons stated....turf being relaid and ACDC concert.
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Perennial strugglers Liverpoolfan1 wrote:
Tegal wrote:
 
And the fact itll be a big match vs sydney or melbourne! Not happy. And also goes to show that the "we had no choice" crap we were spilled at the beginning of the season was,as i expected,a load of sh*te.
No it wasn't...they didn't have any choice this season....they had to take those two games away for the reasons stated....turf being relaid and ACDC concert.


do we have any sources at the stadium who could keep us updated with prospective events at the stadium like Accadacca that could interfere with our home games?
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i agree with the palmy week. but itd be way easy to schedule an away game during a one off event. ill take some convincing to change my mind on that. we couldve played in adelaide that round,and had played our home game when we played them away. an easy and straight swap.

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timmymadden wrote:
He also says somewhere at the end that it will never become the NZ Phoenix, and it's always going to be 100% Wellington.
 
When you read the rest of the quoted lines, assuming they're accurate, we're not 100% Wellington are we? The "never become the NZ Phoenix" applies to the name of the team presumably - because touring home games each season pretty much sounds like NZ Phoenix doesn't it?
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Disgraceful. Intentionally denying your loyal home fans games for a fast buck.
 
Travelling Circus, here we come...
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Perennial strugglers Liverpoolfan1 wrote:
Tegal wrote:
 
And the fact itll be a big match vs sydney or melbourne! Not happy. And also goes to show that the "we had no choice" crap we were spilled at the beginning of the season was,as i expected,a load of sh*te.
No it wasn't...they didn't have any choice this season....they had to take those two games away for the reasons stated....turf being relaid and ACDC concert.
 
I believed that at the beginning of the season LF1, although it seemed very odd that we couldn't set a schedule that allowed us to have away games those two weekends.
 
But putting together with the quotes made since about wanting to take games away and now the apparent confirmation that we're doing it again.... I find it very hard to believe that we were forced to take those games away; it seems far more believable that the club saw that as the perfect excuse. Especially if you recall the discussion and opposition that was expressed over this idea at the beginning of last season.
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Two things
 
1) if it was a chch team i very much doubt they'd be generous about touring games around the country, unless they needed to financially.  it'd be their team and they'd not be doing anyone else any favours.  just my view on it after 22 years living in chch and 27 living in wgtn
 
2) it's terry's team firstly, the fans secondly - cause he pays for most of it, with current crowd numbers.  If he wants to recoup some of his costs by a couple of once a year good houses in places like chch and auckland, then fair enough - 12k extra seats sold at $25 each = $600,000 into the coffers to keep our team going and reduce the load on terry.  That's a lot of dosh.  OK, might not get that much every year or from Auckland, but you can't begrudge them exploring it.
 
actually thirdly
 
it'd be better of these away games weren't part of the season ticket. palmerston i could cope with as it was easy enough to get there without significant expense.  Anything requiring an overnight or an airfare is not a home game for fans paying for a season ticket.
 
not something i'd create a storm over or get worked up about much, but seems the decent thing to do to me
 
oh 4thly
 
finals yesssssssssss, good job adelaide.  now for fourth.  Go the Nix tonight.
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mind you i'd be pissed to miss "top" games against the league leaders
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mjp2, the RFU would be an interesting case study for Tony. They too went down the route of short term (thinking) revenue maximisation. They were happy to sell Joe Blogs season tickets for S12 and NPC but when it came to big games (i.e. tests) the corporates and travel agents were always at the front of the queue. This happened for a number of years, when economic times were good and the corporates coughed up. Slowly but surely Joe Blogs got pissed off with being taken advantage of and the number of season ticket holders dropped and is still dropping. Sure there were other factors that contributed to the decline but I have spoken to a number of ex season ticket holders and the arrogance of the RFU and the disrespect shown to season ticket holders is a common theme in their decisions not to renew. Now times are tough, and the corporates have tightened their belts, the RFU is crawling back to Joe Blogs to try and get him to rejoin - by offering him the opportunity to pay an arm and a leg for test and WC tickets (yes they never learn).
 
The mistakes the RFU made were not understanding that they had a relationship with their season ticket holders - it was not simply a financial transaction -  and also not understanding that maximising short term revenue would be at the expense of long term supporters.
 
What Tony is talking about is taking us down the same road.
 
The Nix has a relationship with its core supporters and it is based, in part, on a shared passion for, and pride in, Wellington. We are the Wellington Phoenix.
 
You screw with that relationship and the Wellington identity at your peril.
 
 
 
 
 
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Im sorry but this is a crock of sh*te!
 
Pre-Season is the time and place for a Phoenix Travelling Road Show not Regular Season.
 
END OF!
C-Diddy2010-02-07 16:17:53

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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Still all games in Wellington for me - but if we have to go away again, let's never go back to Palmy North. Cook's Gardens would be the go. 
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If you want to keep all the games in Wellington, you have to turn up week in week out. 7000 is not enough to make it pay. Terry can't keep putting his hands in his pocket. Going for 1 or 2 games outside Wellington to pay the bills make's sense to me. I think you local's are taking what you have for granted!
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know what you are saying, whitby,
 
but there is a difference between revenue maximisation and stopping your guy loosing $600k
 
i'd cut some slack on this one, we owe the guy one big ongoing favour
 
to say nothing about commercial and apartment property prices not being the hottest right now
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mjp2 wrote:
know what you are saying, whitby,
 
but there is a difference between revenue maximisation and stopping your guy loosing $600k
 
i'd cut some slack on this one, we owe the guy one big ongoing favour
 
to say nothing about commercial and apartment property prices not being the hottest right now
 
and if it is about the financial viability of the club then say that and cut out the crap about ChCh earning a game and, being the only team in NZ, needing to play around the country.
 
If Tony was straight and said words the effect that we are, and always will be, the Wellington Phoenix - in both name and deed but we ask our supporters to understand that financially it is beneficial to play one home game a year away from Wellington then I think supporters would cut him some slack.
 
He just needs to cut out the bullsh*t.
 
If he genuinely believes what he is saying then RFU 2 here we come.
 
 
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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