Dear FFA,
terminator_x2010-02-22 15:44:48
I'm one of the 24,278 Phoenix fans who were at the Ring of Fire on Sunday to support the Wellington Phoenix.
I'm sure I don't need to point out to you that Wellington delivered the biggest crowd of the first week of your finals series. In fact, 24,278 was nearly 6,000 (31%) more than the 18,453 who attended in Melbourne and over 20,000 (500%) more than attended on the Gold Coast.
In terms of revenue this means that me and my friends have just contributed approximately NZ$ 800,000 to the FFA's coffers. After deducting your costs I'm sure you still made a very healthy profit. And you must be relieved that this game wasn't held in Perth, whose stadium cannot even hold 24,000 fans!
You must also be very relieved that the Newcastle Jets upset Gold Coast United which means that there will now be another play-off game in Wellington rather than at Clive Palmer's House of Shattered Dreams (has the morality tale The Emperor's New Clothes ever been more applicable than to this absolute shambles of a club?). I suspect you might have actually lost money on the Gold Coast game this weekend but don't worry! I think you can reasonably expect another crowd of 25,000 or more in Wellington in two weeks time and another fat cheque for NZ$ 800,000 courtesy of me and my friends.
Anyway, bearing in mind the NZ$ 1.6m we Phoenix fans are giving you, I was just wondering if now might be a good time for you to give us some overdue assurance about the FUTURE OF OUR BELOVED FOOTBALL CLUB?
I understand the importance of the Asian Champions League and your desire to curry political favour in Asia, but surely your first priority is the long-term success of your premium product - the A-League - and developing quality A-League franchises that are based on a solid business model and that will be around for the long haul. After all, without a successful A-League the issue of the Asian Champions League becomes irrelevant.
After just one week of the finals series surely the contrasting fortunes of the Wellington Phoenix and Gold Coast United, both on and off the field, are enough to show you the way forward. The Wellington Phoenix is a shining example of the kind of franchise that you need in the future. Gold Coast United is not. DO THE RIGHT THING AND SECURE OUR FUTURE NOW!
Who knows?, if you were to make such a statement over the next two weeks you might even push attendance at our next home game up to a capacity 34,000 and make yourselves some more cash!
All the best,
terminator_x
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(tears of joy)Its no longer a problem.
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Great letter! You actually sending that? Because you should. A lot of very valid points and a couple little digs at GCU. BrilliantAll Aboard the Phoenix/ All Whites Bandwagon!!
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Brilliant, send it! joachim2010-02-22 14:07:37
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Massive letter! Post it on 442 as well!
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
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Heh, nice one. Perhaps an impassioned plea from a fan will help them see sense. Go for it.
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tbh, I think that the FFA are quite aware of what we achieved on their behalf. It's the AFC that needs the wake up call.
Letters to certain AFC associations should sway the voting to opposite to the AFC president views. We need a letter saying that we add the competitive intensity to the FFA and to the AFC and improve AFC playing delivery. That it is a win-win situation.
But besides that, go for it. We need to keep FFA on our side.AllWhitebelievr2010-02-22 14:16:52
Letters to certain AFC associations should sway the voting to opposite to the AFC president views. We need a letter saying that we add the competitive intensity to the FFA and to the AFC and improve AFC playing delivery. That it is a win-win situation.
But besides that, go for it. We need to keep FFA on our side.AllWhitebelievr2010-02-22 14:16:52
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Nice one Terminator might help getting it on front page of Fever site to ?????
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nice, well written, nothing too overtly biased in there at all, must be sent to the FFA.
Queenslander 3x a year.
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Well said. Now get it out there... everybluddywhere!!!
E + R + O
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Nice letter. Well done. Go Phoenix Win the comp and shut the critics up!
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Cheers. I'll send it to the FFA for giggles but I'll leave it up to the rest of you whether it goes anywhere else. Feel free to copy it but maybe sign it off with something more generic like "A Phoenix fan".
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Terms, don't knock the ACL plz. For example, my experience of the 1-1 draw between the Chunnam Dragons (then holders of the mighty Korean FA Cup*!!!) and Melbourne Victory in front "3,000" Land of the Morning Calmers was f**king epic.
*A competiton that gives all 31,000(!) registered players from this fair land a chance of 'glory'.
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I don't mean to knock the ACL at all Stevo.
I'm just making the point that without a strong A-League Australian clubs won't be competitive in the ACL. The Phoenix are currently outperforming many other A-League clubs on and off the field when it comes to contributing to a strong A-League. The FFA needs to recognise this and not let issues around our particpation in the ACL get in the way of confirming our future in the A-League.
Gold Coast, on the other hand, I totally mean to knock.
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1. Send to FFA
2. Send to 442. Don't just post, send to their editor so hopefully they'll make a story out of it, i.e."Phoenix fans call for..."
3. EMail to every football journo you know of.
2. Send to 442. Don't just post, send to their editor so hopefully they'll make a story out of it, i.e."Phoenix fans call for..."
3. EMail to every football journo you know of.
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Send...make a Facebook group, contact the press because I doubt too many are aware of the FFA taking all the ticket money angle too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
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tbh, I think that the FFA are quite aware of what we achieved on their behalf. It's the AFC that needs the wake up call.
Letters to certain AFC associations should sway the voting to opposite to the AFC president views. We need a letter saying that we add the competitive intensity to the FFA and to the AFC and improve AFC playing delivery. That it is a win-win situation.
But besides that, go for it. We need to keep FFA on our side.
Letters to certain AFC associations should sway the voting to opposite to the AFC president views. We need a letter saying that we add the competitive intensity to the FFA and to the AFC and improve AFC playing delivery. That it is a win-win situation.
But besides that, go for it. We need to keep FFA on our side.
AFAIK the AFC wouldn't care if we had higher attendances than Barca, the only thing they care about is sabotaging Oceania. Pro footy in NZ is a direct threat to WC qualification for AFC teams. If Townsville got the 8th licence in 2007, Bahrain would be going to South Africa. The AFC knows this and most likely want to stop it.
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3. EMail to every football journo you know of.
You mean there's more than just Gourdie?
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I think Terms ghostwrote this.
PS: The Nix didn't knock out Bahrain - it was their sh*thouse strikeforce which saw to that. As Wayne Bennett says: "Don't get bitter - get better".
Stevo2010-02-23 03:53:20
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Frankly this type of letter will end up in the rubbish bin at the FFA offices. It is too emotive and short on facts. Phrases such as:
� you must be relieved that this game wasn't held in Perth�..
� You must also be very relieved that the Newcastle Jets upset Gold Coast United
� Clive Palmer's House of Shattered Dreams (has the morality tale The Emperor's New Clothes ever been more applicable than to this absolute shambles of a club?)
� another fat cheque for NZ$ 800,000 courtesy of me and my friends.
� your desire to curry political favour in Asia
� Gold Coast United is not.
� and make yourselves some more cash!
Only guarantee that the letter won�t be taken seriously.
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500% does not exist, thae fact that it is a % means it has to be a number less than 100. It would be 5 times the amount.
Sorry rant, but it's annoying that this very simple fact of math seems to be ignored.
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Sorry to be a pedant, but Terminator X is in fact the talismanic DJ of the militant Hip Hop group, Public Enemy, and the very idea that he would write such a letter is ludicrous in the extreme.
I apologise for my rant, but I find the implication that the REAL Terminator X, a die hard Victory fan, would support another team, to be irksome.
I apologise for my rant, but I find the implication that the REAL Terminator X, a die hard Victory fan, would support another team, to be irksome.
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tbh, I think that the FFA are quite aware of what we achieved on their behalf. It's the AFC that needs the wake up call.
Letters to certain AFC associations should sway the voting to opposite to the AFC president views. We need a letter saying that we add the competitive intensity to the FFA and to the AFC and improve AFC playing delivery. That it is a win-win situation.
But besides that, go for it. We need to keep FFA on our side.
Letters to certain AFC associations should sway the voting to opposite to the AFC president views. We need a letter saying that we add the competitive intensity to the FFA and to the AFC and improve AFC playing delivery. That it is a win-win situation.
But besides that, go for it. We need to keep FFA on our side.
AFAIK the AFC wouldn't care if we had higher attendances than Barca, the only thing they care about is sabotaging Oceania. Pro footy in NZ is a direct threat to WC qualification for AFC teams. If Townsville got the 8th licence in 2007, Bahrain would be going to South Africa. The AFC knows this and most likely want to stop it.
Oceania to merge with CONCACAF, leaving Phoenix free to participate in A-League as a stand along team with no ramifications. It's the way to solve this I tell you.
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Sorry to be a pedant, but Terminator X is in fact the talismanic DJ of the militant Hip Hop group, Public Enemy, and the very idea that he would write such a letter is ludicrous in the extreme.
I apologise for my rant, but I find the implication that the REAL Terminator X, a die hard Victory fan, would support another team, to be irksome.
I apologise for my rant, but I find the implication that the REAL Terminator X, a die hard Victory fan, would support another team, to be irksome.
Terminator X wouldn't write no letter, he'd just pop a cap in their ass.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Oceania to merge with CONCACAF, leaving Phoenix free to participate in A-League as a stand along team with no ramifications. It's the way to solve this I tell you.
Wow! Didn't see that one coming DS!... can you get a new toy one day soon? Point made, opinion provided. Move on.
E + R + O
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Sorry to be a pedant, but Terminator X is in fact the talismanic DJ of the militant Hip Hop group, Public Enemy, and the very idea that he would write such a letter is ludicrous in the extreme.
I apologise for my rant, but I find the implication that the REAL Terminator X, a die hard Victory fan, would support another team, to be irksome.
I apologise for my rant, but I find the implication that the REAL Terminator X, a die hard Victory fan, would support another team, to be irksome.
OK maybe better to sign it as Chuck D
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
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Flavor Flav is the sun
Wellington Phoenix fan number one
Doloras2010-02-23 12:08:03
Wellington Phoenix fan number one
Doloras2010-02-23 12:08:03Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads
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A letter to the New Straits Times
Yo AFC, don't brag and boast, dissin' Wellington when it's butter that you put on your toast
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
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WORD
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Frankly this type of letter will end up in the rubbish bin at the FFA offices. It is too emotive and short on facts. Phrases such as:
� you must be relieved that this game wasn't held in Perth�..
� You must also be very relieved that the Newcastle Jets upset Gold Coast United
� Clive Palmer's House of Shattered Dreams (has the morality tale The Emperor's New Clothes ever been more applicable than to this absolute shambles of a club?)
� another fat cheque for NZ$ 800,000 courtesy of me and my friends.
� your desire to curry political favour in Asia
� Gold Coast United is not.
� and make yourselves some more cash!
Only guarantee that the letter won�t be taken seriously.
Gee, thanks for the critique. And here's me expecting a personal phone call and apology from Frank Lowry.
I was pleased to see that both the New Zealand Herald and the Sydney Morning Herald had picked up these themes in this morning's editions though (see links on front page).
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500% does not exist, thae fact that it is a % means it has to be a number less than 100. It would be 5 times the amount.
Sorry rant, but it's annoying that this very simple fact of math seems to be ignored.
I agree 110 percent.
Actually if something is 5 x what it was previously. It has increased 500%.
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Oceania to merge with CONCACAF, leaving Phoenix free to participate in A-League as a stand along team with no ramifications. It's the way to solve this I tell you.
Wow! Didn't see that one coming DS!... can you get a new toy one day soon? Point made, opinion provided. Move on.
I am, but maybe splitting up the issue of the Phoenix and Oceania/NZ's future WC path may be a way to solve the issue.
You know, break the problem down into small parts, then fix.
Just a thought.
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Nah Africa.
Too late, Auckland City already won that by beating the champions of Africa.Terminator X. An interesting open letter to the FFA. While you're at it why not ask for the Phoenix to be treated fairly and allowed a team in the Youth league so there is a pathway for a few of the best NZ (and Australian) young players into the professional game. Then we won't have a situation where only one NZer was on the field at the end of normal time.
Also if you're contributing so many $NZ into the coffers of the FFA, why not ask for a place in the Asian competition as well if you qualify.
The Phoenix is an Australian team in an Australian competition, why is the AFC allowed to dictate unfair conditions?
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Seriously. Must you guys hijack every thread with your agenda?
I repeat myself from another thread,anyone else wouldve been banned by now.Tegal2010-02-23 16:14:22
Allegedly
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