Wellington Phoenix Men

WPM R7 vs Auckland | Sat 7th Dec | 5pm | FeverTua to Mt Smart

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10 Dec 23:05
Jessie Merino
Buffon II
Jessie Merino
Mainland FC
Half a Pint
Banzai!...AIEEE!!!
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/podcasts/football-fever/

Sounds like Piney’s jumped ship 😢 
Nah I didn't get that from it, I think he's just very close to neutral overall (part of doing his job I think - he cant really commentate for both teams if hes biased against one) and he probably cares more about the good of Football in NZ than the Phoenix.

Also don't forget that on that podcast he praises the Fever and says they were a lot louder than the port

Agreed. He is a sports commentator, not a Nix commentator.  He is doing his job.

Be good if he got his commentary facts right. Tim Payne didn’t play as a 16 yr old striker for Auckland City. Was Waitakere Utd.


He played for Auckland City before playing for Waitākere United.

What, as a child?


He played first team football at Auckland City in 2009 before moving to Waitak a year later.

Three for me, and two for them.

10 Dec 23:08
Yakcall
So a couple of things, the Nix have asked for and been given some feedback regarding the match day. The main points we gave were: 
  • The trains only having 3 carriages
  • The debacle at the gate trying to get us all in through one entrance.
  • Marching us through Auckland fans after talking about keeping us separated before the game
  • Auckland fans in the zone and even if that was ok, not getting rid of ones that were clearly trying to cause shark
This has been feed back and hopefully Auckland learns from it. Otherwise, it was a brilliant tour from the Fever lot, the pub, the march and the zone was great despite the result.

I'm really pleased also to see comments from others that aren't usually in the zone or the pub pre-match, really enjoying themselves. I think we pride ourselves on being a welcoming bunch and so it's nice to hear others that usually don't experience it really enjoying themselves and I hope you'll be back again soon!

I took my brother, niece and her boyfriend along, and they loved it. The boyfriend had never been to a football game before and said it was an amazing, one of the best sporting experiences he's ever had (and he's been to breakers and warriors games).
Did you also happen to mention the positioning of the away zone and the fact that at the end of the game you have both teams heading to the same end. I understand arrangements were made so fans could get access to the team after the game but its much easier if the away zone included a bay that was close to the fence.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

11 Dec 01:04
Buffon II
Jessie Merino
Buffon II
Jessie Merino
Mainland FC
Half a Pint
Banzai!...AIEEE!!!
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/podcasts/football-fever/

Sounds like Piney’s jumped ship 😢 
Nah I didn't get that from it, I think he's just very close to neutral overall (part of doing his job I think - he cant really commentate for both teams if hes biased against one) and he probably cares more about the good of Football in NZ than the Phoenix.

Also don't forget that on that podcast he praises the Fever and says they were a lot louder than the port

Agreed. He is a sports commentator, not a Nix commentator.  He is doing his job.

Be good if he got his commentary facts right. Tim Payne didn’t play as a 16 yr old striker for Auckland City. Was Waitakere Utd.


He played for Auckland City before playing for Waitākere United.

What, as a child?


He played first team football at Auckland City in 2009 before moving to Waitak a year later.

Cheers. I never saw him in ACFC colours. Must have been overseas.
11 Dec 02:40
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360519292/departure-one-test-all-black-shaun-stevenson-could-bruise-rugbys-fight-fans

NZ Rugby administrators must have looked at the 26,200-strong crowd that attended the A-League Men's football game between Auckland FC and the Wellington Phoenix at Mt Smart Stadium last weekend, with envy and anxiety.

And rightly so.

Super Rugby may be very popular in the digital sphere, according to the game's administrators, but getting fans to attend fixtures remains a problem. Modest attendances, and reduced revenue, are a major headache.

Who would have dared believe a domestic game involving a round-ball would create such hype in a country where rugby is considered to be the national sport?
11 Dec 02:55
coochiee
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360519292/departure-one-test-all-black-shaun-stevenson-could-bruise-rugbys-fight-fans

NZ Rugby administrators must have looked at the 26,200-strong crowd that attended the A-League Men's football game between Auckland FC and the Wellington Phoenix at Mt Smart Stadium last weekend, with envy and anxiety.

And rightly so.

Super Rugby may be very popular in the digital sphere, according to the game's administrators, but getting fans to attend fixtures remains a problem. Modest attendances, and reduced revenue, are a major headache.

Who would have dared believe a domestic game involving a round-ball would create such hype in a country where rugby is considered to be the national sport?

The blues vs hurricanes game this year also got 26,000 so seems like a bit of a stretch to suggest that NZ rugby administrators will be envious of the crowd on the weekend, doubt they even care. Seems to be trendy in the media at the moment to tear down rugby because it's the traditional top dog. 
11 Dec 03:41 · edited 11 Dec 03:54 · History
They should care. The Nix v Auckland game would have been a bigger crowd at a larger venue like Eden Park. Had family in Auckland (not football fans) who didn't bother trying to get tickets to Mt Smart as they heard it was a sell out.

Rugby can't afford to become the 2nd or even 3rd sport in NZ's biggest city. Be interesting to know the different merch sale stats for the Blues, Warriors and Black Knights in the last 12 months.

How is it going to look for rugby in Auckland, if within 5 years from now Auckland FC has their own rectangular 18K stadium and top notch facilities at Western Springs. That could happen, and would be a slap in the face for rugby which for years, has been looking for alternatives to Eden Park.


A 3rd A League club, and maybe 2nd NZ NRL club will come to Christchurch at some point. Though the NRL wants teams next in PNG & Perth. Still there is reason for rugby administrators to be worried, especially with the ABs being less dominant at the moment.
11 Dec 07:06
The article is a bit of a hype considering it calls the derby "a domestic game". It was not, it was a game in the trans-Tasman competition.
The point I am making is that the quality of opposition across the A-League is such that although the Nix holds its own during the season, at the end of the day we've never won any trophy.
But if the early form is any indication, AFC could well be a contender to win something, and no amount of sour grapes on our part can obscure the fact that this would be good for football in New Zealand. Yes, the incessant bragging by the Port would make it nauseating, but I will take that if it means growth of the football across in the public / visible / sphere in New Zealand.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

11 Dec 07:12
So this has taken me a while to collect, but here are my reflections on the tactical side of our game (While using examples from the AFC game, these are also trends I am noticing this season). In no particular order =  
1)      I think Chief got it wrong out the gate with the back 5, that wasn’t. With Payne roaming high, wide and sometimes in. It meant that we didn’t always know where to find him as an outlet. It also meant that he did a lot of running around without being overly effective. 
2)      I think Corica showed other coaches/teams how to setup to nullify our “draw in and counter” strategy. They pressed in two groups, with the forward line chasing our defence to make a pass, then a second group pressed for the next pass. Their defenders never engaged in the press. They held their positions on our attackers/Kosta. This meant that even if we beat the press, there was no space between Kosta and the defender to make a pass or over the top through ball.  
3)      Which comes to my third point, we have been relatively successful with Wootton playing long diagonal through balls this season and last. But when we are playing them from deeper and since we have no other way of progressing the ball, they are less effective. AFC moved their defensive line to squeeze the space between themselves and Paulsen, making it harder for the ball to go over the top. Again, nullifying its effectiveness. 
4)      As for our control of the game, I used to play under Kenny Cresswell, and he would drill into us ‘ball security’. The ability to keep and move the ball forward, if it wasn’t working forward, then come back and go again. But importantly, keep the ball. On Saturday, we had none of it, and it has been a growing theme this season. We slow the pace of the game down, go back and forth along the backline but then aimlessly give the ball away through poor touch, poor pass or both. It meant that time and time again we were the ones putting ourselves under pressure and were unable to build pressure on AFC. 
5)      I think contributing to the above was the lack of movement in the middle and from throw ins. I am not sure how long Sam Sutton held onto the ball each time he took a throw in, but I often used it as an excuse to go visit the various attractions of Auckland.  Having no options and static movement made us predictable and meant we turn the ball over regularly/cheaply couldn’t dominate the game. 
6)      Most would agree that we looked most effective when Marco came on. We know that he is still building his stamina, but I think he is key to us having a plan B (or a new plan A). When he came on, he dropped into half spaces between AFC defence and midfield, was able to get the ball then move it, progressively. Kosta can do this, but as we often want him running on the end of a ball, he isn’t always looking for others/there isn’t always others for him to bring into the play.  Maybe that was the idea for Payne to play that role as part of his being everywhere, but not sure it came off. Also when Ishige plays it, he goes for low percentage flicks rather than control and directing play. 
7)      Yet despite this, and I agree with the Pod on this when they say our ceiling is higher than AFCs, we were competitive throughout the game despite not being very good or effective. Even we made it hard for ourselves, we still managed to be on an even footing for most of it. I hope the coaching staff and the players learn from this and we keep moving forward. 
8)       COYN! Bring on the next game and lets go big again for the next derby.

I have an amazing ability to find my way out of mazes. I'm pathological. 
11 Dec 08:04
That’s a good analysis 

Auckland will rise once more

11 Dec 19:12
Well put, I dunno if AFC are on track to win the league this season. Thye are a good side and well coached. BUT, they are yet to deal with any injuries, so their squad depth is yet to be tested. This will happen! Corica has not had to make any changes to his plan so it's all going his way. Thye've conceded one goal, they will concede more and lose one or two games. How they deal with that is gonna be key.
I see them easily making the six, but they wont win the league or the finals series. That takes more than 1 or 2 goals a game.

Queenslander 3x a year.

11 Dec 20:23
theprof
Well put, I dunno if AFC are on track to win the league this season. Thye are a good side and well coached. BUT, they are yet to deal with any injuries, so their squad depth is yet to be tested. This will happen! Corica has not had to make any changes to his plan so it's all going his way. Thye've conceded one goal, they will concede more and lose one or two games. How they deal with that is gonna be key.
I see them easily making the six, but they wont win the league or the finals series. That takes more than 1 or 2 goals a game.

Keep an eye on the Verstraete injury that forced him off on the weekend. 👀

Saw a few comments online about it being some sort of back injury, so followed it up and he has had some niggle in it in the few weeks leading up to the derby, and then he's come off after 20 minutes on the weekend.

Take a quick glance back to the 22/23 season when he was in Belgium, and he missed 4 months with a similar sort of injury.

Not suggesting it's that bad this time around, but I haven't been able to get any further details. He would be a HUGE loss for them if it were to be an injury along those lines.

Could well be the first proper bit of adversity they face this season if it's anywhere near as serious as that. Howieson is next cab off the rank it seems, so that's not a bad replacement, but they bring different qualities to the table. Guess we'll have to keep an eye on the 'Ins & Outs'
11 Dec 22:35
Good analysis Kwlap. AFC also won the mental battle. I was surprised by how wound up the Nix were. Five yellow cards, six including the Chief is very unusual for the Nix who normally a quite calm team. I don’t think they have mentally handled the derby’s very well.
I don’t have many worries for the Nix this season. We are still a work in progress with a large margin of potential improvement. We have already beaten both of last season’s finalists away. The Chief is a smart operator, he will get us far into the playoffs.
AFC have peaked IMO. What you see is what they have. It’s quite good but they will have plenty of tough away games. The loss of Verstraete for any significant time will be a big blow. I will be very interested to see what happens to them if they concede early and have to chase the game.
11 Dec 22:42
How can you argue they have peaked 6 weeks into a season with the newest roster in the squad and some very late arrivals - and at the same time say we have more potential for growth??

Their squad is very settled in terms of a starting 11 - although Rogerson will need to do more to keep his spot, which I think has been helpful.

Also the assertion earlier that 1 or 2 goals a game is not enough to win them the finals is odd. If you get 1, and the other team gets 0, its enough. They've proven that already this season.
11 Dec 23:22
Winning six out of six is a peak. Letting in one goal in six games is a peak IMO. I would be very very surprised if they are 12 wins after the next six games. Ok I guess their front three could combine better but overall they look like their game plan is working smoothly.
The Nix still have plenty of room for improvement. Getting Rojas to play 80 minutes is one. Players like Retre and Kolo still are not integrated 100% The Chief is still defining tactics. 
11 Dec 23:37 · edited 12 Dec 00:41 · History
austin111
Good analysis Kwlap. AFC also won the mental battle. I was surprised by how wound up the Nix were. Five yellow cards, six including the Chief is very unusual for the Nix who normally a quite calm team. I don’t think they have mentally handled the derby’s very well.
I don’t have many worries for the Nix this season. We are still a work in progress with a large margin of potential improvement. We have already beaten both of last season’s finalists away. The Chief is a smart operator, he will get us far into the playoffs.
AFC have peaked IMO. What you see is what they have. It’s quite good but they will have plenty of tough away games. The loss of Verstraete for any significant time will be a big blow. I will be very interested to see what happens to them if they concede early and have to chase the game.

Agree the Nix, seem to have good potential upside. But alot of that relies on Rojas, increasing his loads and remaining injury free. His recent track record (barely playing last 2 years), ain't great.

With Auckland I think the unknown is the Colombian Moreno. Surprised Rogerson is still keeping him on the pine. Moreno's goal against the Jets was class. Also Gillion is pretty raw, and new to pro football. That 'end product' may suddenly start to appear. 

Verstraete is a big loss for them, but suspect Gallegos will now sit a bit deeper, and Howieson is a hugely experienced player. Good enough to push Brimmer to the bench for a few games. Then you have the promising Toomey, and some good pre season wraps on Finn McKenlay. AFC basically dominated the Nix in midfield without Verstraete for 70 mins.

Edit - and it's defence that often wins premierships. Auckland look very very solid defensively.
12 Dec 00:15
coochiee
austin111
Good analysis Kwlap. AFC also won the mental battle. I was surprised by how wound up the Nix were. Five yellow cards, six including the Chief is very unusual for the Nix who normally a quite calm team. I don’t think they have mentally handled the derby’s very well.
I don’t have many worries for the Nix this season. We are still a work in progress with a large margin of potential improvement. We have already beaten both of last season’s finalists away. The Chief is a smart operator, he will get us far into the playoffs.
AFC have peaked IMO. What you see is what they have. It’s quite good but they will have plenty of tough away games. The loss of Verstraete for any significant time will be a big blow. I will be very interested to see what happens to them if they concede early and have to chase the game.

Agree the Nix, seem to have good potential upside. But alot of that relies on Rojas, increasing his loads and remaining injury free. His recent track record (barely playing last 2 years), ain't great.

With Auckland I think the unknown is the Colombian Moreno. Surprised Rogerson is still keeping him on the pine. Moreno's goal against the Jets was class. Also Gillion is still pretty raw, and new to pro football. That 'end product' may suddenly start to appear. 

Verstraete is a big loss for them, but suspect Gallegos will now sit a bit deeper, and Howieson is a hugely experienced player. Good enough to push Brimmer to the bench for a few games. Then you have the promising Toomey, and some good pre season wraps on Finn McKenlay. AFC basically dominated the Nix in midfield without Verstraete for 70 mins.


I also think a lot of the potential upside for the nix is whether one of Cola, OVH, Walker even maybe GSR can step up with the goal involvements and fill the gap of goals and assists Old provided last season. 
We can't really rely on Ishige, Kosta and Rojas to be the ones carrying that.
12 Dec 00:38
Anyone heard any whispers about a blow up after the game involving Hay and Nix people.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

12 Dec 01:23 · edited 12 Dec 01:23 · History
Rufer earned his card, but I think there was quite a soft one on Ishige, after Evans had let a few things go. I don’t think we can read too much into the card count either. 

That said I thought in the first derby our mentality was good. This second one less so. Didn’t like at all Retre throwing in a heavy two footer early on. As you say it shows a lack of confidence in our game and a focus on theirs. 


12 Dec 01:37
wilbaker
coochiee
austin111
Good analysis Kwlap. AFC also won the mental battle. I was surprised by how wound up the Nix were. Five yellow cards, six including the Chief is very unusual for the Nix who normally a quite calm team. I don’t think they have mentally handled the derby’s very well.
I don’t have many worries for the Nix this season. We are still a work in progress with a large margin of potential improvement. We have already beaten both of last season’s finalists away. The Chief is a smart operator, he will get us far into the playoffs.
AFC have peaked IMO. What you see is what they have. It’s quite good but they will have plenty of tough away games. The loss of Verstraete for any significant time will be a big blow. I will be very interested to see what happens to them if they concede early and have to chase the game.

Agree the Nix, seem to have good potential upside. But alot of that relies on Rojas, increasing his loads and remaining injury free. His recent track record (barely playing last 2 years), ain't great.

With Auckland I think the unknown is the Colombian Moreno. Surprised Rogerson is still keeping him on the pine. Moreno's goal against the Jets was class. Also Gillion is still pretty raw, and new to pro football. That 'end product' may suddenly start to appear. 

Verstraete is a big loss for them, but suspect Gallegos will now sit a bit deeper, and Howieson is a hugely experienced player. Good enough to push Brimmer to the bench for a few games. Then you have the promising Toomey, and some good pre season wraps on Finn McKenlay. AFC basically dominated the Nix in midfield without Verstraete for 70 mins.


I also think a lot of the potential upside for the nix is whether one of Cola, OVH, Walker even maybe GSR can step up with the goal involvements and fill the gap of goals and assists Old provided last season. 
We can't really rely on Ishige, Kosta and Rojas to be the ones carrying that.

And Zawada. 

Think this is spot on. We’ve found out a bunch of guys- Ball, Al-Taay, OVH apparently don’t really fit with Chief’s system at this time. Well go get a couple of guys who do! 

We don’t have enough strike power on the field or off the bench. We’re close, but we haven’t replaced the players we lost, and if you add to that the guys we now can’t use, we’ve got Rufer doing everything. Marco is obviously great and that winner he made for Kosta is guna give Chief time for me, but he’s not really available yet.

Have Old, Kraev, Zawada (and I think you can add Salas, Pennington and the three lads on fewer minutes) been sufficiently replaced?

It feels like we’re short of creativity and goal threat. Maybe only one or two goals short, but that’s winning and losing.


12 Dec 01:38
ballane
Anyone heard any whispers about a blow up after the game involving Hay and Nix people.

Go on…🍿


12 Dec 07:52 · edited 12 Dec 07:57 · History
ballane
Anyone heard any whispers about a blow up after the game involving Hay and Nix people.
Yeah they talked about it on the A-League Off Air podcast

Danny Hay had some strong words to Chiefy in the tunnel I believe - don't think it went any further than that.

On the podcast episode Chris Zorizich says he sent some txts to see what happened and then reads out Danny Hay's txt back

Edit: Here's the apparently word for word response to Zorizich's message which asked what happened in the tunnel

"F*** all, I just told Chiefy he has to show some respect in the media"
12 Dec 08:16
LOL so Hay over reacting what a surprise. Love it think its bloody funny the reaction Chief got he dosnt seem bothered at all.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

12 Dec 09:23
Danny Hay always seems like such a knob

Valley FC til I die?