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BIG BAD (AND NOW BANNED) T SHIRT

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Smithy wrote:
UberGunner wrote:
All whites kit and merchandise makers Nike may have planned a range of t-shirts for the upcoming world cup to sell in NZ. the "Big Bad" t-shirt would be in direct competition to a NZF or Nike licenced product so maybe they are the ones pushing this issue through his agent.
This is speculation, but I'm guessing someone bigger than Rory or his agent are pulling the strings.
Which goes back to the original question. Who made this a problem in the first place? who is the grass?
 
Unlikely.
 
If NZF wanted us to stop selling t shirts I think they'd ask us directly.
 
If Nike did I'm sure they wouldn't have sponsored our Freestyle Football Nationals.
 
We have good relations with both organisations.


I'll take back my snide pun then. My apologies. As you were.

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think the reason that the Obama picture was allowed to be used was because it was in fact a drawing...

So lets get some one to draw a picture of Rory and then we can use it.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Contact Murray Webb to do a caricature

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Arsenal wrote:
SACK RORY


Moss was a far better keeper
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
UberGunner wrote:

Contact Murray Webb to do a caricature



This
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The verboom guy seems to have stopped selling his 'big bad' shirts ... does anyone know why?
 
 
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Smithy wrote:
The only issure here is about legal and commercial rights.
 
If it had been easy to check with Rory we would have.  We spoke to Steve Sumner and Ricki Herbert about those t shirts because we know them.  We didn't speak to George Paladini or Ahmed Elrich because we don't know them.
 
I agree it's a nice thing to do, but that's all it is.
 
My post in here, and the renaming of the thread, was only in response to the repeat enquiries that we were getting about whether the t shirts were still available.


Hmmm, sounds like you're trying to have a bob each way there.

Anyway, all I ask is that none of us forget the the big picture. The rest is just details.

Rory Fallon is a legend and can do whatever the f**k he likes as far as I'm concerned.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
Back to your Phoenix City thread please


But I'm the only person who ever posts in that thread! This is much more exciting.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
That's pretty average and hypocritical if Rory has anything to do with limiting sales of these after his 'White is the new black' call. I'm sure we'd all appreciate a few extra coins but I thought he'd want to do it for the game in NZ...

Oh wait. Money talks. F the agent
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
2ndBest wrote:
terminator_x wrote:
So I take it no-one gives a f**k if I start making my own range of Yellow Fever t-shirts and selling them around town then?

Quite few of you have photos in the galleries on this website. I think I'll use those. Don't worry, I won't make any money out of it, just cover my costs.

I'll mock some up over the next few days and post them hear first. Not that I need your permission of course.



You think Obama gets to sue for these t-shirts?  Of course he doesn't.  His face or name is trademarked.

And as many have pointed out, we have NO idea whether Fallon knows about this at all.  So lay of the fallon slagging.
SIDE NOTE: Art work was done by Sheppard Fairey (of Obey Giant fame), as part of 'Artists for Obama' campaign run through Obama's site. Shepard or someone from the Obama Presidential campaign could sue over copyright of artwork.

Anyway, I'm just glad I got a Rory Fallon tee.

Also, How come no-one thought: He's tall, he's slick, we give his dad stick.... was a a good chant.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hes big, hes bad and his manager's a fagg.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
5kux wrote:
Hes big, hes bad and his manager's a fagg.


Now that on a banner at the next match would make the point.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
...although I think it's generally accepted that 'fag' only has one 'g' in it.
 
Sorry, can't help myself. Blame tigers, it's his fault

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Mods, can we delete homophobic abuse of Rory's agent in this thread? It's that sort of crap that gives football fandom a bad name.

Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads



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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
^^^ Lighten up 
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Nah sort of agree.
 
All you homos keep it clean please.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Smithy wrote:
Nah sort of agree.
 
All you homos keep it clean please.
 
  

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
agree - for me homophobia = racism
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
...somebody mentioned Jesus earlier. Why don't we throw religious bigotry in there as well.
 
....it says on the t-shirts he's big = rampant height-ism. Offensive to those of small stature.
 
 "He's bad"? Good grief, it's a sad day when we mock any possible personality disorder that this poor young man may be suffering from.
Jag2009-12-18 12:15:53

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Aitkenmike .. agree with you.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah okay okay we all agree.
 
Move along now...or start a "Moral Crusade" thread.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Maybe at the next match, we should all chant "Rory, Rory .. give us a wave..." while all holding up a ten dollar note...

or to add to the big bad chant...

He's big,
he's bad,
his agent's packed a sad
Name Removed.. Name Removed....

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Nest home All Whites game seems an awful long way off.
You know we belong together...

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Jag wrote:
...although I think it's generally accepted that 'fag' only has one 'g' in it.
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Sorry, can't help myself. Blame tigers, it's his fault


A reference to the Agent drinking dodgy coffee, perhaps?
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
goldienz wrote:
Maybe at the next match, we should all chant "Rory, Rory .. give us a wave..." while all holding up a ten dollar note...



Jez I'm not that rich.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Smithy wrote:
terminator_x wrote:
So I take it no-one gives a f**k if I start making my own range of Yellow Fever t-shirts and selling them around town then?Quite few of you have photos in the galleries on this website. I think I'll use those. Don't worry, I won't make any money out of it, just cover my costs.I'll mock some up over the next few days and post them hear first. Not that I need your permission of course.


Big difference Term_X.

We have licensed the photo we used for the Big Bad from a photographer. So we have the right to use it.

The fact that it happens to be a picture of Rory is irrelevant. Do you think every sports star gets a payment every time a photo of them is used in a magazine, or one a poster?

And it's completely different to using the Yellow Fever or Wellington Phoenix logos. The author of those logos owns the copyright, and in the WPX case I think it's also a reg'd trade mark. And in either case you would be "passing off" under the Fair Trading Act.



I was speaking to an IP Lawyer about this issue wih the T-shirt this morning, and she said exactly the same thing. If YF have permission from the person who took the photograph (ie the copyright holder) then YF are entitled to use the image, regardless of what the subject of the image is. Therefore, Rory Fallon's agent has no recourse whatsoever to stop YF using the image, and can at best only request that they don't use it- and only rely on Yf's goodwill to not use it.
ginger_eejit2009-12-28 11:35:17

When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
linds wrote:
2ndBest wrote:
terminator_x wrote:
So I take it no-one gives a f**k if I start making my own range of Yellow Fever t-shirts and selling them around town then?

Quite few of you have photos in the galleries on this website. I think I'll use those. Don't worry, I won't make any money out of it, just cover my costs.

I'll mock some up over the next few days and post them hear first. Not that I need your permission of course.



You think Obama gets to sue for these t-shirts?  Of course he doesn't.  His face or name is trademarked.

And as many have pointed out, we have NO idea whether Fallon knows about this at all.  So lay of the fallon slagging.
SIDE NOTE: Art work was done by Sheppard Fairey (of Obey Giant fame), as part of 'Artists for Obama' campaign run through Obama's site. Shepard or someone from the Obama Presidential campaign could sue over copyright of artwork.

Anyway, I'm just glad I got a Rory Fallon tee.

Also, How come no-one thought: He's tall, he's slick, we give his dad stick.... was a a good chant.


The guy that did the Obama poster has been/is in court - AP  took him to court for copyright infringement, as the poster is based directly from an agency picture. See for yourselves


When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Term X it is you who is taking the holyer than thou stance. It is you who should lightern up and let the people react to someting that should not have happened. It comes from a point of intent. Did YF create the shirt to libel Name Removed or show him in a derogerty way. Ans No way! Are they a profit generating entity breach copyright or commons copyright. Ans NO. Then his grab for money should be un-ashamedly be held up for what it is. Greed.

Name Removed would have had to instruct or make a decision for his agent to make the call for cash. Agents dont really make decisions themselves as it carries too much risk when things go pear shaped. The Name Removed person has family in the country and well, perhaps they are wanting a piece of the action. 

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Dead issue now.

Let's move on.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 4 years ago
With Rory in town how's the fevers legal account? 
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