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Broken Wings vs Phoenix - Match Thread.

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Broken Wings vs Phoenix - Match Thread.
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My team would be:
                             Moss
Muscat        Sigmund     Durante      Lochhead
                   Brown         Mckain
Gao/Bertos                                 Kwasnik
                   Smeltz         Hearfield/Draper/Costa
 
Subs:
Paston
Coveny
Dodd
Gao/Daniel
 
Reasons:
Moss is Moss and has been the shining light all year.
Muscat looked far better than Mulligan and didn't look like he wanted to put in long balls every minute.
Sigmund played exceptionaly well especially in the air and deserves CB.
Durante, I don't think Ricki will turn his back on the skipper unless he really starts fluffing some up.
Lochhead, played well and made a good cross to Smeltz as well as some good link ups with Kwasnik.
Brown, absolute workhorse. Walks straight into my side.
McKain, again, I don't think Ricki will turn his back on his second choice captain and someone who has got rave reviews.
Gao/Bertos, Bertos if fit with Gao dropping to bench. Gao reminds me a lot of Felipe which is a good and bad thing. He's good on the ball but his providing lets him down sometimes. Bertos is good winger and provider, no-nonsence player.
Kwasnik, played well down the wing, definitly deserves a second start.
Smeltz, well I can't see him being dropped.
Hearfield/Costa/Draper, I don't think Coveny has a lot to offer up front for 70 minutes. I have seen very little of these three so someone else can inform me on the preffered option... a lot will say Costa probably...
Bench, Paston unlucky, hard luck you're against Moss for a starting spot. Dodd, again unlucky, but someone had to missout. Coveny, could be good for the last 20 but no longer. Gao/Daniel, impact player to come on depending on situation and turn the game.
 
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My team would be:
                             Paston/Moss(if fit)
Muscat        Sigmund     Durante      Lochhead
                   Brown         Mckain
Gao                                                Kwasnik/Daniel
                   Smeltz         Coveny
 
Subs:
Paston/Moss
Ferrante/Bertos
Dodd
Daniel/Kwasnik
 


Mostly agreed.  I also feel that Durante has to take that CB spot as he is quality.  RJ although put in a good effort last night I feel is still short a pace and touch and McKain can play holding mid with the aim to distribute a bit better along side Brown whose outstanding effort yesterday deserves to keep his spot.

If Bertos is available I would start him on the bench, give gao a good 60-65 mins to run his legs off then do the swap.  Kwasnik worked very hard yesterday but i still out on the left there isn't his position.  It would be tempting to play both Daniel and Gao but may lose a bit of size/competing for the ball.

I'd keep Covs and Smeltz up front.  Covs can still give us a good 60 mins of footy, again going with the theory of going nuts for that period then bring on fresh legs to carry that effort on up front.

No idea about the bench!

GO THE NIX!!!!
Crockett2008-09-29 11:11:15
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My team would be:
                             Moss

Muscat        Sigmund     Durante      Lochhead

                   Brown       ï¿½ Mckain

Gao/Bertos                                 Kwasnik

                   Smeltz       ï¿½ï¿½Hearfield/Draper/Costa

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Subs:

Paston

Coveny

Dodd

Gao/Daniel

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Reasons:

Moss is Moss and has been the shining light all year.

Muscat looked far better than Mulligan and didn't look like he wanted to put in long balls every minute.

Sigmund played exceptionaly well especially in the air and deserves CB.

Durante, I don't think Ricki will turn his back on the skipper unless he really starts fluffing some up.

Lochhead, played well and made a good cross to Smeltz as well as some good link ups with Kwasnik.

Brown, absolute workhorse. Walks straight into my side.

McKain, again, I don't think Ricki will turn his back on his second choice captain and someone who has got rave reviews.

Gao/Bertos, Bertos if fit with Gao dropping to bench. Gao reminds me a lot of Felipe which is a good�and bad thing. He's good on the ball but his providing lets him down sometimes. Bertos is good winger and provider, no-nonsence player.

Kwasnik, played well down the wing, definitly deserves a second start.

Smeltz, well I can't see him being dropped.

Hearfield/Costa/Draper, I don't think Coveny has a lot to offer up front for 70 minutes. I have seen very little of these three so someone else can inform me on the preffered option... a lot will say Costa probably...

Bench, Paston unlucky, hard luck you're against Moss for a starting spot. Dodd, again unlucky, but someone had to missout. Coveny, could be good for the last 20 but no longer. Gao/Daniel, impact player to come on depending on situation and turn the game.

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Pretty much what I would say although to be honest I doubt Muscat will start.
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You can't leave Dodd out, he was finally given the chance to play where he belongs and he shone. Swap him and siggy and i'm happy :)
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                                  Moss
Siggy/Dodd/Durante in some order       Locky
                       Brown        McKain
Gao                                                         Kwasnik
                   Smeltz              Draper/Coveny
 
 
Subs
Paston
Leo
Daniel
Christie/Muscat
 
 
Hard call on Paston, but if MOss is fit, he ought to be first choice
The back four other than Locky  are the hardest part of the team I think, too many options...Siggy has shown he can play at Right back reasonably competently, so I would probably start him there, though as with Paston, hard call on Muscat
I'd like to see McKain as a holding midfield. He tackles well, and I feel has shown a good passing game in previous matches. Too valuable to leave out of the team
Gao and Kwasnik worked well last night, probably look to replace Gao early in the 2nd half with Leo or Daniel.
Draper/Coveny- As has been said countless times, we only have three out and out strikers. I'm not convinced fully by Coveny, but is Draper ready to start?
 
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If its not broke why fix it?. The team worked the way it was supposed to yesterday. If the same team misfire against the Jets then we start tinkering with the parts that didnt work. Otherwise its up to the players left out to justify thier inclusion again. (maybe with the exception of Moss)
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Yeah I would keep Mulligan ahead of Muscat, a lot of the times he gets caught out of position. However, Mulligan does need to work on his distribution skills and stop going for the miracle ball. I think Siggy or Dodd needs to remain in centre back because of there physicality, so could McKain slot into right back? What about;

                                                                         Moss

McKain                                            Dodd/Siggy               Durante                                          Lochead
Gao                                                Brown                     Ferrante                                            Kwasnik
                                                         Smeltz            Coveny
 
Subs;
Paston
Mulligan
Dodd/Siggy
Bertos/Daniel
 
I don't know why Johnson was captain against bling, he is a very poor passer. Mulligan provides good cover and his dead ball skills are handy. This leaves us with a physical defense and strong counter attacking opportunites, which is basically how we are going to have to play the way our midfield had been getting dominated up to Sunday.
Moss is God2008-09-29 12:10:35
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dodd and siggy looked the most solid of any CB pairing we've had.
kinda hard to enjoy dodd's performance's though, the thought that he's going to Gold Coast next year is kinda hanging over him for me.
muscat was better than mulligan, mostly. 
pretty much the only set players in the starting line up are lochhead  and smeltz.
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francsernal wrote:
...the thought that he's going to Gold Coast next year is kinda hanging over him for me...


Who cares.  This is about the 08/09 Phoenix going where we want them too.  Where players are next season should have no bearing on this season, we play our best side no matter what and we support those players no matter what the future holds.

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Moss is God wrote:

Yeah I would keep Mulligan ahead of Muscat, a lot of the times he gets caught out of position. However, Mulligan does need to work on his distribution skills and stop going for the miracle ball.�I think Siggy or Dodd needs to remain in centre back because of there physicality, so could McKain slot into right back?�What about;


                                                                      ï¿½ï¿½ Moss


McKain                                          ï¿½ï¿½Dodd/Siggy               Durante                                          Lochead
Gao                                                Brown                     Ferrante                                          ï¿½ Kwasnik

                                                         Smeltz            Coveny

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Subs;

Paston

Mulligan

Dodd/Siggy

Bertos/Daniel

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I don't know why Johnson was captain against bling, he is a very poor passer. Mulligan provides good cover and his dead ball skills are handy. This leaves us with a physical defense and strong counter attacking opportunites, which is basically how we are going to have to play the way our midfield had been getting dominated up to Sunday.


Mulligan's been rubbish. Siggy, Muscat and Plodder are in all in front of him as right back options as far as I'm concerned.
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Did Durante use to play at RB?
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How on earth could you drop Dodd or Sigmund?

Both were immense yesterday, especially compared to Durante (who's woefully overrated), and McKain (who's woefully out of form).

Ditto Brown and Johnson - both of whom were solid yesterday. Sames goes for Muscat - close to your best player.

Your only question is if you replace Coveny or not.
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Hard News wrote:
francsernal wrote:
...the thought that he's going to Gold Coast next year is kinda hanging over him for me...


Who cares.  This is about the 08/09 Phoenix going where we want them too.  Where players are next season should have no bearing on this season, we play our best side no matter what and we support those players no matter what the future holds.
 
i never said i didn't want him to play.
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Jaza wrote:
How on earth could you drop Dodd or Sigmund?Both were immense yesterday, especially compared to Durante (who's woefully overrated), and McKain (who's woefully out of form).Ditto Brown and Johnson - both of whom were solid yesterday. Sames goes for Muscat - close to your best player.Your only question is if you replace Coveny or not.
Durantes not over-rated if hes in-form hes one of the best CB in the league.
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McKain has been the weak link in the centre back pairing. Durante has been a bit shaky but shown enough signs to prove he is better than Sigmund and Dodd. Johnson has been poor, Muscat poor (he was ok on Sunday) and Dodd was absolutely atrocious when he was playing mid. I think Durante and Siggy or Dodd will be the best pairing.  

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                Moss/Paston
Durante        Sigmund     Dodd      Lochhead
                   Brown         Mckain
Gao[Bertos 60 min]                             Kwasnik
                   Smeltz        Coveny for 60 min then Draper/Costa

Not really sure about the back 4.
valeo2008-09-29 12:52:23

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I could have the same line-up here as others, but I can't be bothered reading all of them to check.

                            Paston

Muscat      Sigmund      Durante      Lochhead

             Brown                     Johnson

Bertos                                                        Gao

                       Smeltz         Costa

Bench:
Christie
Coveny
Dodd
Moss

Paston has been patient for two seasons and really is quality.  He proved he deserves another look yesterday, and so he should start next week.  Muscat and Sigmund did quite well so keep them together.  Lochhead had the best game he's had all season, I was very impressed with him.  Durante, I feel, is better than Dodd, but if he is playing rubbish then swap them.  Johnson and Brown were solid yesterday, and Johnson especially answered all the criticism he's been receiving.  Gao played brilliantly, deserves the spot ahead of Daniel, and if Bertos is fit he should take up the right-wing spot.  Whenever I've seen Costa play he has been exciting, so if he plays an hour up front with Smeltz before going off for Coveny I'd be happy.
loyalgunner2008-09-29 13:14:00
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I think the players need to be shown that a good performance is rewarded... and not shown that even if they do play well, they could be replaced by somebody who may be out of form just because of their reputation, or their 'status' in the squad - that would send out the wrong message and destroy the morale that is building within the group... Sigmund/Dodd/Paston & Kwasnik most seem to agree were outstanding so it'd be a big call to drop them... also proves the "never give a sucker an even chance" theory (just ask Mark #1 Paston lol) therefore:

                   Paston
Sigmund/Durante (either way around)  Dodd    Lochy
        Brown         McKain/Johnson
Gao                                  Kwasnik
                 Coveny
                       Smeltz

Pine riders:
Moss/Spoonley
Johnson/McKain/Muscat/Plodder
Bertos/Ferrante
Daniel


SurgeQld2008-09-29 14:01:19
E + R + O

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hmmm im not buying into retaining paston. yeah he played well but moss was injured (i believe) and hasn't exactly been out of form. get him back there he's been the consistent performer all year. rodfarva2008-09-29 14:35:28
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wow daniels gone from our star player and a fans favourite to a bench warmer
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Thats our ideal formation and line up for next week i think. Only....id give moss his starting spot back too

Allegedly

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------------------paston-------------------
muscat-------dodd--durante------lochy
gao---------brown----mckain-------kwasnik
---------------smeltz---covs-----------------
 
paston took his chance with both hands and proved his point!! footballs not fair sometimes.
and in the last 10mins he claimed some great crosses and tricky balls that mossy MAY have not reached
dodd was class, and at home at the center of defense and durante as the ball player next to him.
johnson is not good enough, even though we won in still not a fan of his. mckain has all the same attributes of johnson but better in my opinion.
up front is a tricky one and would be easy to make a change, but im leaving as it is due to seeing as 2 goals at home got me all exited.
bench- daniel
            mossy
            plodder (special mention for finally a good performance)
            johnson
            bertos/hearfeild/ferrante- dont mind, pending tactics
 
special metion to the zone!! well done lads we were amazing yesterday, tommo was on form, and the t.v camera took a special liking to the news. much better lads!!
 
 
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just because the replacement played ok doesn't mean you forget about your star performer. it's good to know that in paston we have a decent sub keeper, but until moss has a really bad patch then he should be the starter.
by the way hypotheticals are pointless. moss MAY have saved the first goal that paston didn't.
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rodfarva wrote:
just because the replacement played ok doesn't mean you forget about your star performer. it's good to know that in paston we have a decent sub keeper, but until moss has a really bad patch then he should be the starter.
by the way hypotheticals are pointless. moss MAY have saved the first goal that paston didn't.
sorry i cant run it through a simulator rod, but i think pastons extra height helped us alot at key moments and i dont think a shorter man would have done much with the goal. im a huge fan of mossy however but thats how i see it
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Thats like saying Dodd MAY have saved sydneys goal if he was in place of paston...maybe we should try him

Allegedly

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If Mossy is fit I reckon he'll be back, Patson played well but not well enough to knock Mossy off. Although Moss did take the #1 spot when Paston was injured last season. Poor old Paston hasn't really had a look in since.
 
AS far as Dodd is concerned i think he's given us his 1 good game of the season, I'd bench him and bring back Durante.
 
                         Moss
Muscat        Sigmund        Durante         Lochead
             Brown            McKain
Gao                                          Kwasnik
              Smeltz            Hearfield
 
Bench:
Coveny
Paston
Christie
Daniel

Queenslander 3x a year.

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I dont trust muscat. I think siggy should move out to the right in place of him at least

Allegedly

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                                  Moss
Mulligan          Dodd           Sigmund       Lochead
                     
Gao              Johnson      Ferrante         Kwasnik
                          
                       Covs      Smeltz
 
 
Daniel (70th for cov)
Durante
Brown
Paston
 
Muscat looked pretty average.
The midfield is a big problem as it was still poor yesterday even though we got the victory. Dont like ferrante that much but he is better on the ball than brown and tends to go forward more.
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does everyone think sigmund was better than dodd or something?
dodds distribution was supurb i thought?
hard to split them, doddys a safer bet at the back surley
theyellowsose2008-09-29 14:57:47
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bfantana wrote:
                                  Moss
Mulligan          Dodd           Sigmund       Lochead
                     
Gao              Johnson      Ferrante         Kwasnik
                          
                       Covs      Smeltz
 
 
Daniel (70th for cov)
Durante
Brown
Paston
 
Muscat looked pretty average.
The midfield is a big problem as it was still poor yesterday even though we got the victory. Dont like ferrante that much but he is better on the ball than brown and tends to go forward more.
 
i hope that team is a gag.
no brown?
mulligan back?
ferrante?
no durante?
no mckain?
 
very very odd
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i really think hearfield should start against his old club...
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Yawn.
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id go:

                     Moss

Sigmund    Dodd Durante   Lochead

               Brown   Mckain    
 
Bertos                                   Kwasnik
                        
              Gao 
                              Smeltz
                      
Bench: Paston
             Christie or Hearfield.
             Daniel
             Coveny - if bertos not fit four four two,with Gao going to Bertos wing
 
Mulligan- need to work hard.Not giving up on him yet.There's potential somewhere.
Ferrante-To the bench for a bit of a run if bertos isnt fit.
 
felipe2008-09-29 15:20:51
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The back four were very organised and that's usually because of the keeper something Moss doesn't seem to do that well.
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as long as we dont have Lonegunman in there after being schooled in a dribbling comp at half time by a nine year old

Founder

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Stick with 4-4-2. Id be tempted to keep dodd in central defence along with durante and move siggy (who has been f**king awesome) in at the right. That may be a little harsh on Mckain missing out however
 
Sigmund - 8 - isnt a right backs ar$% H*&e but at center back wow, showed everyone the form that got him a contract
 
I was happy he got signed out of the nzfc but he is a center back, he has played at right back and proven he is not that good. durra played at right back many times, if ricky is going to change a winning team by bringing in the skip then bring him in at right back.
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