Hearing rumours of Brockie playing next Monday night.
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Come on surge there is no need to be so pedantic, 
i think you know what i mean.So you would be happy for last weeks team to start even if Durante and a couple of yes im going to say it our 1st choice players were fully fit.Despite the fact that had he or a couple of others been available last weeks team would have looked very different.
As an aside i spent some time last nite going through some old threads,and and its interesting that in the space of one game suddenly some of these guys are up to a standard that many had said they wernt.
We are a fickle and changeable lot.
i think you know what i mean.So you would be happy for last weeks team to start even if Durante and a couple of yes im going to say it our 1st choice players were fully fit.Despite the fact that had he or a couple of others been available last weeks team would have looked very different.As an aside i spent some time last nite going through some old threads,and and its interesting that in the space of one game suddenly some of these guys are up to a standard that many had said they wernt.
We are a fickle and changeable lot.
lol... no Ballane, I wasn't trying to be pedantic at all... merely pointing out that it'll be interesting to see where our esteemed coach is between the two extremes - both of which are represented within the thread/s and multiple opinions in between... will McKain/Dura/Moss/Bertos come straight back in when available?
Fooked if I know (which I'm pretty sure I pointed out also) but I'm sure he's in a better position now than he would have been in at about 5.30 Sunday evenin'.
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Hearing rumours of Brockie playing next Monday night.
whoa geez interesting-like
I like tautologies because I like them.
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Hearing rumours of Brockie playing next Monday night.
whoa geez interesting-like
Perhaps Covs passport's expired?
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Hearing rumours of Brockie playing next Monday night.
whoa geez interesting-like
Perhaps Covs passport's expired?
The newspapers will be ringing Covs for a few quotes if that's true
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cue someone running off to the rumor mill
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[/QUOTE]Dont see the problem with giving him a crack in midfield its not as if he hasnt played there.When it was first announced he was coming we were told he was a defender/midfielder.As for changes for this week im in the camp of you play your best players no matter what.
We can speculate as much as we like I mean who is to say that if our best guys had been available last week we wouldnt have won by more.
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How exactly do you define best players?
The ones who earn the most? Reputation? Have the most experience? Historical success? Recent success? Current form?
And you pick them no matter how well they, or other members of the squad are playing?
I don't think players should ever be picked on reputation... the challenge for Ricki is to identify who will best fit the needs of the team to achieve what we want to in Newcastle... one of the key things he needs to take into account (and for the first time in many weeks) is the fact that the morale and confidence is growing based on improved performances by some of the lesser lights (or performers) of the squad thus far like Paston, Dodd, Plodder, Muscat, Gao, Brown etc... and how he balances that with the return of some key players - ie: Durante, McKain and Bertos/Moss when they return from injury...
Suffice to say I'm buggered if I know what Ricki 'should' do... but will get behind the boys regardless!
We can speculate as much as we like I mean who is to say that if our best guys had been available last week we wouldnt have won by more.
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How exactly do you define best players?
The ones who earn the most? Reputation? Have the most experience? Historical success? Recent success? Current form?
And you pick them no matter how well they, or other members of the squad are playing?
I don't think players should ever be picked on reputation... the challenge for Ricki is to identify who will best fit the needs of the team to achieve what we want to in Newcastle... one of the key things he needs to take into account (and for the first time in many weeks) is the fact that the morale and confidence is growing based on improved performances by some of the lesser lights (or performers) of the squad thus far like Paston, Dodd, Plodder, Muscat, Gao, Brown etc... and how he balances that with the return of some key players - ie: Durante, McKain and Bertos/Moss when they return from injury...
Suffice to say I'm buggered if I know what Ricki 'should' do... but will get behind the boys regardless!
Yep exactly. Teams picked on reputation are teams that play without passion!
So yeh. These two other signings- one guest and one other...where do they all go?
If we do get Elliot where do we put him? Drop Ferrante? or who?
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If we do get Elliot where do we put him? Drop Ferrante? or who?
Johnson
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Obvious wasn't it?
I guess it isn't so obvious what our team is going to be this week anyway
So that would be Elliot and Brown in the midfield? with Ferrante on the bench. Kwasinik, Gao or Bertos wide, Smeltz and Covs in the middle?
So that would be Elliot and Brown in the midfield? with Ferrante on the bench. Kwasinik, Gao or Bertos wide, Smeltz and Covs in the middle?So who's the other signing they are looking at...? we reckon Elliot is one of them right?
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Probably Brockie, that's who everyone is talking about...
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The Brockie Rumour of the day is that Newcastle want him as injury cover.
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So we may see him AGAINST the Nix?
Woo, how about we give them Cov's and we have Brockie?
Woo, how about we give them Cov's and we have Brockie?
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The Brockie Rumour of the day is that Newcastle want him as injury cover.
They just want to check his below the belt punching technique first.
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Hearing rumours of Brockie playing next Monday night.
This had me thinking it would be in a Nix shirt.
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You bastard! 
Looks like the world is opening up again for Brockie.
Looks like the world is opening up again for Brockie.
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Let's wait for confirmation. It is only rumour at this point.
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Different positions.
Though Newcastle are looking at striker options
http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/85609,jets-look-for-striker-solution.aspx
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agree with you James Dean, under normal circumstances you pick a team to respond to the 'scouting' of the opposition's weaknesses and based on player mix and form
but in this instance a lack of passion appears to have been a significant contributor to a (an utter) lack of wins until sunday
on sunday the players on the park appeared to play with more passion than any previous 11 and we won
they clearly had what it takes to pick up points in this league (some of the previous incumbents have yet to prove this)
if the call before sunday's game was to play with passion, make the fans proud and pick up some points - then (once again) it seems daft to reward the players who finally gave us that by dropping them - doesn't seem like a huge incentive to repeat the winning effort and attitude in future
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having just read that post of mine, i would quite like to try to sneak durante back in though - as long as i thought none of you would notice 
nah hang on, i'll stick with the 'winner takes all and the team as unit - not just a collection of individuals - theory'! - durrrante on the bench
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The Brockie Rumour of the day is that Newcastle want him as injury cover.
sauce? (not that it will matter cos as you know I believe nothing you say)
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Hoffman out for season, and nutcracker out for up to 4 weeks.. Sorry if already mentioned.
ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH
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agree with you James Dean, under normal circumstances you pick a team to respond to the 'scouting' of the opposition's weaknesses and based on player mix and form
but in this instance a lack of passion appears to have been a significant contributor to a (an utter) lack of wins until sunday
on sunday the players on the park appeared to play with more passion than any previous 11 and we won
they clearly had what it takes to pick up points in this league (some of the previous incumbents have yet to prove this)
if the call before sunday's game was to play with passion, make the fans proud and pick up some points - then (once again) it seems daft to reward the players who finally gave us that by dropping them - doesn't seem like a huge incentive to repeat the winning effort and attitude in future
I dont agree with the calls not to change the team. The team that went on the park last Sunday was the best combination that RH could come up with. And they played with passion and committment and got the job done, in the end, even though they looked (and were) outplayed for the first half hour.
Who is to say that any of the other players that were on the bench, who didnt get picked, or who were not available through injury, wouldnt have played with the same passion. After all they have all had a rev up by the boss and the media and all of us.
Each week you put the best team on the park that you can assemble, bearing in mind as a coach that they will need to fit in with your strategy and the tactics that you want to adopt to beat the opposition. So if you need to change, then you do it. it would be irresponsible not to.
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plus, by that logic, a player that plays well on a losing side wouldn't get picked for the next game - I think Durante deserves to play against the Jets cos he's been one of our most consistently gutsy players
I like tautologies because I like them.
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Now we have a taste for scoring goals again, lets savour the away goals. The three games are not against the top 3, so I can imagine getting in the box and causing mischief.
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Now we have a taste for scoring goals again, lets savour the away goals. The three games are not against the top 3, so I can imagine getting in the box and causing mischief.
That could get you in a heap of trouble 
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Now we have a taste for scoring goals again, lets savour the away goals. The three games are not against the top 3, so I can imagine getting in the box and causing mischief.
That sounds like fun.....might give that a go myself....
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Now we have a taste for scoring goals again, lets savour the away goals. The three games are not against the top 3, so I can imagine getting in the box and causing mischief.
That could get you in a heap of trouble
Ah causing mischief, I thought you said crimping moustache
When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!
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Hard News2008-10-01 15:40:18
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Does Four Kings hold 7000? Big Dunc better get some extra glasses in.....
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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I won't be there I work Monday evenings...be there in spirit though
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Does Four Kings hold 7000? Big Dunc better get some extra glasses in.....
And a coupla extra piddle pots lol
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having just read that post of mine, i would�quite like to try to sneak durante back in though - as long as i thought none of you would notice
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nah hang on, i'll stick with the 'winner takes all and the team as� unit - not just a collection of individuals - theory'! - durrrante on the bench
Warning: long coaching exposition.
Ok. If for an example will you be willing to put Johnson in the starting lineup no matter what even if he has been outshine by Dodd in the DCM position at practice all week? Are you going to allow players in the line-up if they have been rubbish at practice and someone else is outperforming them recently?
If so, then should any players bother to do the hard work in training if they are not going to be in the starting line-up or if they going to be in the line-up, what is the incentive to stop the other squad members to take their spot? It can't last long enough and you are setting yourself for trouble later on. And team selection consistency is very important. You cannot change your selection criteria from week to week just because you have a win under your belt. If you change, you will create unnecessary problems and some players will complain.
Thats why it add to the difficulty in the away games. You have to announce the traveling squad before you leave and then hold the announcement of the starting line-up at pre-match training in order to keep the players' motivation up for the game. Or else the passion, commitment and the discipline will lose ground with the players in the training and during match game. The idea of training is to stimulate match conditions and if the drive to compete for the line-up spots is removed, then the match play will suffer.
On the home games, you can announce the line-up and bench after the light training the day before and then have some line-up focus at pre-match training as the players would be psychologically ready on the day.
Most of the best and richer football clubs in the world announce line-up at the pre-match training either in the morning of the match or the day before.
In summary.
It's not an very good idea to just keep the same line-up (despite the previous win) while things changes during the week and you have to account for players being competitive and keeping the players being challenged during the week and then for the match. You have to focus on the next match game and not on the past match game. So to keep the same winning line-up by default, is looking backwards and not forwards where the next match is and so it de-emphasizing match focus mentally for the players. You can't change your consistency for the team selection because you feel on a row.
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BTW.
What do you really want in the club with the confidence on the high?
At professional level, scouts, tactics and strategies as well as your players' recent performance and practice form that then dictates the line-up and bench. Injuries and out of form players helps to decides your line-up. The more in-form players at the practice the more competitive edge, the harder it is to draw up your line-up. This competitive nature flows onto the field and confidence is on the high with the players. Creates win-win situations.
This wins matches. This is a good problem to have because at the very beginning, as a coach, you have been rewarding players with game time for their efforts and their efforts has lifted up the playing quality. You can afford to rotation them around in a organised fashion with long-term planning of the season as their confidence is on the high in the club.
Warning
However you have to double-check each of your players if they feel that they are get enough game time and feel they are included. Their confidence is high enough for them to complete hard for the spots in the line-up. There is always someone in the club sulking somewhere even when you are winning, but sometimes some players best is not enough. There is always a hierarchy of players and sometimes you can't please everyone. But they should be players with a decent professional outlook.
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having just read that post of mine, i would quite like to try to sneak durante back in though - as long as i thought none of you would notice
nah hang on, i'll stick with the 'winner takes all and the team as unit - not just a collection of individuals - theory'! - durrrante on the bench
Warning: long coaching exposition.
Ok. If for an example will you be willing to put Johnson in the starting lineup no matter what even if he has been outshine by Dodd in the DCM position at practice all week? Are you going to allow players in the line-up if they have been rubbish at practice and someone else is outperforming them recently?
If so, then should any players bother to do the hard work in training if they are not going to be in the starting line-up or if they going to be in the line-up, what is the incentive to stop the other squad members to take their spot?
Thats why it add to the difficulty in the away games. You have to announce the traveling squad before you leave and then hold the announcement of the starting line-up at pre-match training in order to keep the players' motivation up for the game.
On the home games, you can announce the line-up and bench after the light training the day before and then have some line-up focus at pre-match training as the players would be psychologically ready on the day.
Most of the best and richer football clubs in the world announce line-up at the pre-match training either in the morning of the match or the day before.
In summary, It's not an very good idea to just keep the same line-up (despite the previous win) while things changes during the week and you have to account for players being competitive and keeping the players being challenged during the week and then for the match. You have to focus on the next match game and not on the past match game. So to keep the same winning line-up by default, is looking backwards and not forwards where the next match is and so it de-emphasized match focus mentally for the players.
At professional level, scouts, tactics and strategies as well as your players' recent performance and practice form that then dictates the line-up and bench. Injuries and out of form players helps to decides your line-up. The more in form players at the practice as well as more competitive edge, the harder it is to draw up your line-up. This competitive nature flows onto the field and confidence is on the high with the players. Creating win-win situations.
This wins matches. This is a good problem to have because at the very beginning, as a coach, you have been rewarding players with game time for their efforts and their efforts has lifted up the playing quality. You can afford to rotation them around in a organised fashion with long-term planning of the season as their confidence is on the high in the club.
However you have to double-check each of your players if they feel that they are get enough game time and feel they are included. Their confidence is high enough for them to complete hard for the spots in the line-up. There is always someone in the club sulking somewhere even when you are winning, but sometimes some players best is not enough. There is always a hierarchy of players and sometimes you can't please everyone. But they should be players with a decent professional outlook.
(c) Copyright AllWhiteBeliever
Can you have an exec summary next time, I dont have a lot of time to read all of that.
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Now we have a taste for scoring goals again, lets savour the away goals. The three games are not against the top 3, so I can imagine getting in the box and causing mischief.
That could get you in a heap of trouble
Ah causing mischief, I thought you said crimping moustache
Blimin ek, the "crimping moustache" thing makes me think you're from West Auckland, Waitakere perhaps????
Either way, lots of scoring and lots of goals equals enjoyments all round....
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yeah, all white believer, i'll stop trying to defend the indefensible
it is obviously more complex than just retaining the 11 who won last week
but - i hope ricki does reward as many as possible of those who clearly fronted up on sunday
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