Wellington Phoenix Men

Coaching Angst (it's one result away)

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
bfantana wrote:

+ves of the phoenix

1.riki herbert
2.shane smeltz's finishing
3.the fans
4.big vaughan (Just as past it as Johnson)
-ves
1. ferrante- crap  (Very wrong, it's just that the only time he sees the ball it is five feet above his head)
2.karl dodd out of position in the midfield- turns slower than a litre of milk
3.Daniel- airhead (Not being played into the game much)
4.johnson- past it, no legs, cant pass on the deck
5.lochead- gives the ball away 8 times out of 10 and cant deliver into th box
6.Sigmund- hasnt heard of goal side and apparently couldnt tackle a sunday lunch (Are you sure you don't meen Mulligan?)
 
get off rikis back he cant exactly go attracting top quality players! hence the bollocks we see on the pitch week in and week out.

WTF? We have players other clubs fought very hard for and a squad that rival players and coaches were naming as a big threat before the regular season began. It's not a lack of quality, it's a lack of passion.

 
 
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bfantana wrote:

+ves of the phoenix

1.riki herbert
2.shane smeltz's finishing
3.the fans
4.big vaughan (Just as past it as Johnson)
-ves
1. ferrante- crap  (Very wrong, it's just that the only time he sees the ball it is five feet above his head)
2.karl dodd out of position in the midfield- turns slower than a litre of milk
3.Daniel- airhead (Not being played into the game much)
4.johnson- past it, no legs, cant pass on the deck
5.lochead- gives the ball away 8 times out of 10 and cant deliver into th box
6.Sigmund- hasnt heard of goal side and apparently couldnt tackle a sunday lunch (Are you sure you don't meen Mulligan?)
 
get off rikis back he cant exactly go attracting top quality players! hence the bollocks we see on the pitch week in and week out.

WTF? We have players other clubs fought very hard for and a squad that rival players and coaches were naming as a big threat before the regular season began. It's not a lack of quality, it's a lack of passion.

 
 
 
Lack a coach with a clue
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Let's just hope we can re-sign Smeltzy, coz he's the shining light at the Phoenix (as well as Mossy), it's just a pity he gets such little decent ball from the midfield.

As for Lochead, he could cross a decent ball last season, and defended well, so why the change this season?
 
I think the whole team are lacking in confidence and each week they look like they are too scared of losing rather than being comfortable on the pitch and trying things.
 
The game against Perth was one of the worse games of footy I have watched in ages!!
 
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Syko wrote:
The game against Perth was one of the worse games of footy I have watched in ages!!
 
 
We've done worse
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Syko wrote:
 
The game against Perth was one of the worse games of footy I have watched in ages!!
 
 
So you didn't see the Adelaide game??
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Syko wrote:
 
The game against Perth was one of the worse games of footy I have watched in ages!!
 
 
So you didn't see the Adelaide game??

Adelaide played well enough for that game to be better, IMO.
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Yep, I think that's the crucial point. Perth were absolute dog's bollocks, and we still didn't look like we could score or do anything against them.
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From what I saw, even if Perth had walked off the park we still wouldn't have been able to score against them.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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auskiwi wrote:
Syko wrote:

I don't now about sacking Herbert, who is going to do a better job?He is making some weird substitutions, like bringing on defenders when we are 1-0 down!  The players need to stand up.  The midfield is crap, Johnston is crap, and so is Ferrante.

 
Ricki's tactics, subs, motovation, selections. training are all crap.
What good does he do?????? Really, someone please tell me.
My nana, if she was alive could do a better job.
I think there is only a few of us who really understand how bad Herbert is, now even HN is realising it


I dont think so, it isnt showing out in you
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auskiwi wrote:
Syko wrote:

I don't now about sacking Herbert, who is going to do a better job?He is making some weird substitutions, like bringing on defenders when we are 1-0 down!  The players need to stand up.  The midfield is crap, Johnston is crap, and so is Ferrante.

 
Ricki's tactics, subs, motovation, selections. training are all crap.
What good does he do?????? Really, someone please tell me.
My nana, if she was alive could do a better job.
I think there is only a few of us who really understand how bad Herbert is, now even HN is realising it
 
i understand that you are an idiot. You are welcome to your opinion but it looks as though it's coming from someone who doesn't have a clue so excuse me if I ignore it.

Founder

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This is so ridiculous it's almost entertaining...

Almost.

E + R + O

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auskiwi wrote:
bfantana wrote:

+ves of the phoenix

1.riki herbert
2.shane smeltz's finishing
3.the fans
4.big vaughan (Just as past it as Johnson)
-ves
1. ferrante- crap  (Very wrong, it's just that the only time he sees the ball it is five feet above his head)
2.karl dodd out of position in the midfield- turns slower than a litre of milk
3.Daniel- airhead (Not being played into the game much)
4.johnson- past it, no legs, cant pass on the deck
5.lochead- gives the ball away 8 times out of 10 and cant deliver into th box
6.Sigmund- hasnt heard of goal side and apparently couldnt tackle a sunday lunch (Are you sure you don't meen Mulligan?)
 
get off rikis back he cant exactly go attracting top quality players! hence the bollocks we see on the pitch week in and week out.

WTF? We have players other clubs fought very hard for and a squad that rival players and coaches were naming as a big threat before the regular season began. It's not a lack of quality, it's a lack of passion.

 
 
 
Lack a coach with a clue
 
Auskiwi you are quite wrong in my opinion. Bfantana is right it's isn't a lack of quality or solely a sh*te coach it is a lack of passion.
 
 I think if we can get the passion, intensity and confidence back then we WILL be one of the top teams in the league. As for Ricki, I believe he is an alright coach but needs to work on getting the players mind frames right so that when they run out on the field they want to be there and want to win. Ricki needs to be able to give them a good motivational speech from time to time to kick the players asses into gear.
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Forgive me, but from what I've read, Bfantana is saying it's a lack of quality:
 
"Ferrante - crap"
"Dodd - .....turns slower than a litre of milk"
"Johnson - Past it......"
"Sigmund -......couldn't tackle a Sunday lunch"
"Lochead - Gives the ball away....can't deliver into the box"
 
Or that's how that lot reads to me

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Milk, lunch, box, delivery?

Now you just making me hungry that I may have to order for some fast food.

Wait hang on, that's not quality food.   

Definitely need more passion . . . . fruit. in the game.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I was gonna post a while back but really had to restrain myself.
A numerous amount of factors are causing us to hit this slump that we are in now.
The focus on not conceding stupid goals has led us to play withdrawn non-attacking football at the expense of almost playing for a draw.
Herbert doesn't seem to be motivating the guys plus some tactical decisions are shocking.
Maybe players should be getting a boot in the arse that their position is not guaranteed every week we have a decent sized squad, there are guys which haven't had runs at all, which maybe should be introduced into the squad, cause we can't really be doing any worse than we are now.
The players themselves have lost belief, have still not gelled together and it everything going on isn't making it better.
Us as fans, had massive expectations which to be honest were unrealistic, we had a couple good pre-season games, and our players looked good on paper.
A few sh*t results and we've gone into absolute panic mode, whats happened frustrates me just as much as it does for everyone else I don't think we should be excusing the players or coaches/managers at all, they need to change their tactics and attitude too.
We need to remain positive, its only been 5 games, theres still plenty to go its not over yet.
Keep the faith. We'll rise we KNOW what we ARE capable of, so shrug this dreadful start off and lets look forward eh?
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

See you on sunday Cheeps. That post has earned you a pint on me

Allegedly

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
[QUOTE=auskiwi][QUOTE=Syko]

i understand that you are an idiot. You are welcome to your opinion but it looks as though it's coming from someone who doesn't have a clue so excuse me if I ignore it.

 
Feverish, mate your a one eyed clown, end of story
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
If this degenerates in to personal abuse I'll just shut it down

(this goes for everyone).

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Cheeps wrote:

We need to remain positive, its only been 5 games, theres still plenty to go its not over yet.


It's not over, quite right, the reason there is a panic though is the season is basically quarter of the way through all ready, 5 games might not sound much but in a short league campaign 5 games is HUGE
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Hard News wrote:
If this degenerates in to personal abuse I'll just shut it down

(this goes for everyone).


What do you mean ..if ??
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Should be locked anyway... gettin a bit over bored now (PI).

SurgeQld2008-09-23 17:02:39
E + R + O

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah but then itll give some folk more ammo
 
By playing the cencorship card again

Allegedly

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Then its not cencorship. Its you closing negative angst threads towards the team when we should have freedom to say whatever we want on here without discussions beig shut down,and the fact you shut it down proives we're right etc etc bullsh*t bullsh*t

Allegedly

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
SurgeQld wrote:
Should be pulled anyway... gettin a bit over bored now (PI).

 
Only good if you don't like the original question, which is one of the most relevant ever on here. Sure beats 100's of  fantasy team line ups. Line ups don't matter if they don't know what they are doing.
 
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auskiwi wrote:
SurgeQld wrote:
Should be pulled anyway... gettin a bit over bored now (PI).

 
Only good if you don't like the original question, which is one of the most relevant ever on here. Sure beats 100's of  fantasy team line ups. Line ups don't matter if they don't know what they are doing.
 
i thought the idea behind football was to score more goals than the opposition, seems pretty straight forward to me.
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auskiwi wrote:
SurgeQld wrote:
Should be pulled anyway... gettin a bit over bored now (PI).

 
Only good if you don't like the original question, which is one of the most relevant ever on here. Sure beats 100's of  fantasy team line ups. Line ups don't matter if they don't know what they are doing.
 


Thats what I'd said in the match thread... and kind of my point (hence me saying it lol)

E + R + O

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i thought the idea behind football was to score more goals than the opposition, seems pretty straight forward to me.





Not for the Nix, it's to have a picnic in the sun and watch some footy, Moss & Smeltz Vs some Aussie guys caseym2008-09-23 15:15:16
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Tegal wrote:
Then its not cencorship. Its you closing negative angst threads towards the team when we should have freedom to say whatever we want on here without discussions beig shut down,and the fact you shut it down proives we're right etc etc bullsh*t bullsh*t


Hard News is getting under the table payments from the club to keep all negative comments about the club and it's employees censorsed. It's a conspiracy I'm telling ya!
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caseym wrote:
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i thought the idea behind football was to score more goals than the opposition, seems pretty straight forward to me.





Not for the Nix, it's to have a picnic in the sun and watch some footy, Moss & Smeltz Vs some Aussie guys
oh man if that's true (i'm sure it isn't) why do I have to pay for the same privelege that they get paid for ??
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I am just throwing it out there but didn't Stu do most of the coaching last year and Ricki was the "manager". This year Ricki is doing the coaching and what do we see . . .

Stu is just one of the young talented coaches in NZ. Don't fire Ricki get him to hire a coach who can coach a team - it's not like there aren't good young coaches out there - Jacobs, Milicich and Tuaa all spring to mind. Young coaches who should be coaching the team under Ricki direction so he can do whatever he does. Those three know how to get a team working hard and winning football matches.

Can't see too many players not working hard with one of them barking orders from the sidelines. It works in the UK and Europe - why not here. Let Ricki wear the suit and call the shots but get some coaches who can coach in there working the team.
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After Stu was thrown out, I can't see him wanting to come back
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Interesting comment from someone who does know a bit about football !!  (since most on here don't )


From Pim Verbeek, National coach of Australia, in this morning's SMH paper

"Meanwhile, after watching his first round of A-League action since last season, Verbeek insisted the standard had not dropped even though the goals have dried up.

"I have to be honest and say I have seen better games than I saw this weekend, but what I like is that all coaches try to win the game, it's still very open," he said."

hepatitis2008-09-23 15:47:29
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I think there must be more too it. We played a really good, hard pre-season final. We played well! didnt win but played a good game!

Something has gone a stray and I think we as fans are missing something. There may be an internal friction or something within the team thats clearly not right.

Ricki needs to find out whats wrong and fix it!

I'll keep going to and watching games and hoping for a clean sheet for mossy, but someone needs to shoot and score!
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Marama wrote:
I am just throwing it out there but didn't Stu do most of the coaching last year and Ricki was the "manager". This year Ricki is doing the coaching and what do we see . . .



Whether its true or not is debatable but Stu Jacob's was fired because he wasn't really doing anything and was excess to requirements.
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So are you saying that Ricki coached that team last year and with the same person coaching we have a totally different team dynamic. Somehow that does not seem possible.
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You can't fire managers for bad starts. Alex Fergusson lost 7 games in a row (face it, in premier league you'd be sacked) and everyone expected him to get the sack, but he just pulls a win out of his bag against the team expected to win and re-ignited his career.

That may have been a mad example.

But I hate teams that just fire managers because they had a bad season.

The other thing to remember that nearly everyone around here was picking them above 5th. Probably what Ricki was thinking when he bought the players. They haven't gelled like most thought they would.

To much expectation, give them some time, atleast till the end of this season.

Nevermind the fact the Terry is going bankrupt.
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