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ihaterickhermit wrote:
Hermit must go. His imports, tactics and looks are horrifying. I just spewed up thinking about hermits face. Jeremy christie for the all whites? Nothing short of dispicable. Worst player i have ever played against or seen. Simon elliot not playing, hermits lucky i dont bottle hiim. Every other team is quicker than us and actually pass and move together as a team. Tim Brown the fittest player in the league, box to box player and who also scores must be and shud be captain / coach. Durrante overrated. Hermits tactics are playing like the under 12 womens team..we have no big strikers so why long ball into the strikers?? Hermits wrecking players careers, leo is the man but hes playing him totally wrong. Why not pick Aaron Clapham?? Carves up every national league game but doesnt get a look in. Paston great shot saver for a girl but useless on crosses, get phil imray in there, hes the best keeper in nz. Wiremu patrick the most natural talented player in nz would eat vance lia for his breakfast. I just threw up thinking aout the felix. I dread to think how bad we will be when lochface comes back. Hermits tactics are kick long then kick it out. Disgusted. Im a football hooligan and am looking for a fight with any hermit fan. Bring it on mutha f*ckas
 
Hehe wanky banky?
You're a t**ser, when you come down from whatever you are on, post something a bit more intelligent.

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Kiwi Hatter wrote:
ihaterickhermit wrote:
Hermit must go. His imports, tactics and looks are horrifying. I just spewed up thinking about hermits face. Jeremy christie for the all whites? Nothing short of dispicable. Worst player i have ever played against or seen. Simon elliot not playing, hermits lucky i dont bottle hiim. Every other team is quicker than us and actually pass and move together as a team. Tim Brown the fittest player in the league, box to box player and who also scores must be and shud be captain / coach. Durrante overrated. Hermits tactics are playing like the under 12 womens team..we have no big strikers so why long ball into the strikers?? Hermits wrecking players careers, leo is the man but hes playing him totally wrong. Why not pick Aaron Clapham?? Carves up every national league game but doesnt get a look in. Paston great shot saver for a girl but useless on crosses, get phil imray in there, hes the best keeper in nz. Wiremu patrick the most natural talented player in nz would eat vance lia for his breakfast. I just threw up thinking aout the felix. I dread to think how bad we will be when lochface comes back. Hermits tactics are kick long then kick it out. Disgusted. Im a football hooligan and am looking for a fight with any hermit fan. Bring it on mutha f*ckas
 
Hehe wanky banky?
You're a t**ser, when you come down from whatever you are on, post something a bit more intelligent.


Bloody hilarious though. He/she must be on something good and having a great time.
I can imagine us winning the league with Wiremu Patrick and Phil Imray
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=10690585

Slightly off topic...

Fast forward four months and Herbert is under attack from all angles. On the Yellow Fever website, there's a forum topic 'Coaching angst - sack Richie' [sic] 50 pages long

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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Scottishbhoy wrote:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=10690585

Slightly off topic...

Fast forward four months and Herbert is under attack from all angles. On the Yellow Fever website, there's a forum topic 'Coaching angst - sack Richie' [sic] 50 pages long
Well done SB you just made the thread 51 pages long. Proof that the press are full of sh1t 

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Royal wrote:
Kiwi Hatter wrote:
ihaterickhermit wrote:
Hermit must go. His imports, tactics and looks are horrifying. I just spewed up thinking about hermits face. Jeremy christie for the all whites? Nothing short of dispicable. Worst player i have ever played against or seen. Simon elliot not playing, hermits lucky i dont bottle hiim. Every other team is quicker than us and actually pass and move together as a team. Tim Brown the fittest player in the league, box to box player and who also scores must be and shud be captain / coach. Durrante overrated. Hermits tactics are playing like the under 12 womens team..we have no big strikers so why long ball into the strikers?? Hermits wrecking players careers, leo is the man but hes playing him totally wrong. Why not pick Aaron Clapham?? Carves up every national league game but doesnt get a look in. Paston great shot saver for a girl but useless on crosses, get phil imray in there, hes the best keeper in nz. Wiremu patrick the most natural talented player in nz would eat vance lia for his breakfast. I just threw up thinking aout the felix. I dread to think how bad we will be when lochface comes back. Hermits tactics are kick long then kick it out. Disgusted. Im a football hooligan and am looking for a fight with any hermit fan. Bring it on mutha f*ckas
 
Hehe wanky banky?
You're a t**ser, when you come down from whatever you are on, post something a bit more intelligent.


Bloody hilarious though. He/she must be on something good and having a great time.
I can imagine us winning the league with Wiremu Patrick and Phil Imray


Hasn't anyone picked that its a wind up and a complete pisstake to anyone thats posted that Ricki should be sacked?

Thats how I'm taking it. Poking fun at the angst posters.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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Scottishbhoy wrote:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=10690585

Slightly off topic...

Fast forward four months and Herbert is under attack from all angles. On the Yellow Fever website, there's a forum topic 'Coaching angst - sack Richie' [sic] 50 pages long


They obviously haven't read the thread,about 30 of those pages are a pisstake

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It's interesting that footpaul's use aside- there is an increasing reference to this forum.

That suggests to me that the YF brand is actually becoming quite powerful (even 'tho it is a forum for us to post a lot of stoopid, lols and face palms).

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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A bit of a blunder, to say the least...
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Junior82 wrote:
It's interesting that footpaul's use aside- there is an increasing reference to this forum.

That suggests to me that the YF brand is actually becoming quite powerful (even 'tho it is a forum for us to post a lot of stoopid, lols and face palms).



It's fair enough, in my view, to quote fan sites. Where else should one go to get a good picture of what the team's biggest fans think? But of course, as with any internet forums or social networking sites, caution should be applied. Usually reading a thread and putting comments in context is all that is required. But even then I think each of us had times when we've misread a post or had our posts misunderstood, particularly when we're taking the piss!
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I s'pose so - if you want warriors goss then get the Mad Butcher's opinion.

Seems a bit lazy and open to some twisting of quotes/context to suit the point.

Might be better to actually approach News or Smiff or ML - the TV faces of the YF (rather than e.g. Tunnel Vision!).

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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I guess the newspapers aren't giving their journalists time to actually go to a game, let alone approach the YF before or after.  Turning to an online forum is a coping mechanism.

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Junior82 wrote:
I s'pose so - if you want warriors goss then get the Mad Butcher's opinion.

Seems a bit lazy and open to some twisting of quotes/context to suit the point.

Might be better to actually approach News or Smiff or ML - the TV faces of the YF (rather than e.g. Tunnel Vision!).



I think a bit from both (the forum and YF "spokesmen") is the way. Good to get a broad spectrum of opinion, rather than relying on the same old voices - such as the Mad Butcher for league, or Bob McCroskrie for "morality" issues.

I agree with what you say about twisting quotes - it is important to select comments which reflect the overall conversation/opinion. I recall one particular story (not from the Herald!) which took two comments critical of Terry avoiding the vast majority supporting him and critical of the media outlet in question.

Back to the topic at hand, I think Michael Brown's story has a bit of a point (putting aside the reference to this thread) in that Ricki has gone from an international football hero and media darling, to someone who in many people's eyes has no idea what he's doing. None of us expected the team to be where it is now four months ago. Let's hope it is still not there in four months time.
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I stopped following this thread after what.. the 20th page?
Just looking at it again .
what a load of bollocks the angsters are..
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I think even if we had sir Alex as manager they'd be calling for his head.

There are fans like it all over the world.

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Junior82 wrote:
It's interesting that footpaul's use aside- there is an increasing reference to this forum.

That suggests to me that the YF brand is actually becoming quite powerful (even 'tho it is a forum for us to post a lot of stoopid, lols and face palms).



Happens everywhere. Fan sites are an easy source of juicy guotes and gossip. Easier than actually doing any research.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Tegal wrote:
I think even if we had sir Alex as manager they'd be calling for his head.

There are fans like it all over the world.


Yep. There are 'Sack _______' threads on every club forum, from Arsenal Mania to Red Cafe.

Three for me, and two for them.

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well I bag him when i think it may be deserved so i'll applaud him here too

i thought Ricki did a great job this week
Ifill to striker, greenacre to bench, dealt with the ineffective lone striker problem.  Sorry I love greeny, but it aint been working.
Musa in allowing Manny to stay at his best possy
Daniel given an opportunity - and he looked fresh and fired up
he and bertos both subbed early tho' when they ceased to make impact
good aggressive sub bench - Ward, Marco, Greeny
Good aggressive final substitution Musa for (Marco?)
 
absolutely no complaints, in fact
 
thank god, our management and NZFA for the reserves team.  I don't know if Ricki could have played Musa and Rojas without having the confidence of their performances from the challenge series games.  Show's what we've been missing.  Shame it probably cost us Kosta.
 
 
 
 
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Jag wrote:
Junior82 wrote:
It's interesting that footpaul's use aside- there is an increasing reference to this forum.

That suggests to me that the YF brand is actually becoming quite powerful (even 'tho it is a forum for us to post a lot of stoopid, lols and face palms).



Happens everywhere. Fan sites are an easy source of juicy guotes and gossip. Easier than actually doing any research.


To be fair, it is actual research. There's nothing wrong with it in my opinion. Sometimes the opinions held by fans are relevant to a story and where is a better place to find the opinions of fans than a forum? Sure there is a lot of stupid comments and jokes on here but, like I said above, if the reporter is responcible and makes sure the comment is in context it is fine in my books.

I think some people have absolutely no idea of the time constraints and how under-staffed many newsrooms are. Then you have the various coms people giving you the run around (some are good though!). Call it lazy if you like, I call it smart.

Ok, that's enough angst from me! Might I add, all things considered, it is still the best job in the world!
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mjp2 wrote:

well I bag him when i think it may be deserved so i'll applaud him here too

i thought Ricki did a great job this week
Ifill to striker, greenacre to bench, dealt with the ineffective lone striker problem.  Sorry I love greeny, but it aint been working.
Musa in allowing Manny to stay at his best possy
Daniel given an opportunity - and he looked fresh and fired up
he and bertos both subbed early tho' when they ceased to make impact
good aggressive sub bench - Ward, Marco, Greeny
Good aggressive final substitution Musa for (Marco?)
 
absolutely no complaints, in fact
 
thank god, our management and NZFA for the reserves team.  I don't know if Ricki could have played Musa and Rojas without having the confidence of their performances from the challenge series games.  Show's what we've been missing.  Shame it probably cost us Kosta.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
This...
 
 
SACK THE ASB CHALLENGE!!!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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mjp2 wrote:

well I bag him when i think it may be deserved so i'll applaud him here too

i thought Ricki did a great job this week
Ifill to striker, greenacre to bench, dealt with the ineffective lone striker problem.  Sorry I love greeny, but it aint been working.
Musa in allowing Manny to stay at his best possy
Daniel given an opportunity - and he looked fresh and fired up
he and bertos both subbed early tho' when they ceased to make impact
good aggressive sub bench - Ward, Marco, Greeny
Good aggressive final substitution Musa for (Marco?)
 
absolutely no complaints, in fact
 
thank god, our management and NZFA for the reserves team.  I don't know if Ricki could have played Musa and Rojas without having the confidence of their performances from the challenge series games.  Show's what we've been missing.  Shame it probably cost us Kosta.
 
 
 


This. Especially the bit about the reserve team. It is so important those not in the squad get regular game time so when they are needed they are ready. Can't criticise Ricki's job last night either.
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Footpaul wrote:

I think some people have absolutely no idea of the time constraints and how under-staffed many newsrooms are. Then you have the various coms people giving you the run around (some are good though!). Call it lazy if you like, I call it smart.


Then it seems that Doom Post have the smartest reporters in the country.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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Must admit I don't like the idea of reporters quoting from these forums. Basically because you have to rely on the reporter giving a balanced representation of whats being said. This will never happen. These forums contain a wide selection of opinions and I am afraid that reporters will/can select whatever point of view they want and claim that this is backed up by the supporters.

Basically people use these forums for a multitude of reasons....to let off steam, to take the piss, to rant, to offer well thought out opinions, to show their passion, to wind people up. It seems a little sleezy that the main stream media are taking this into their arena. To me posting is like talking to your mates...the last thing you want is to be quoted in the paper....even if it is anonomous.
 
Perhaps we could just nominate whooooooooo as our media spokes person!!!!!!
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Angus Beef would be my pick - calls it like it is and doesn't need to offer gobbies.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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I think quoting this thread as being 51 pages was a perfect example of that. He clearly said it to back up his article by saying 52 pages = a sh*tload of fans think he should go,when really that's not the way the thread has gone.

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smart reporting!

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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It's very efficient. Who has time to read a thread and see what's actually being said anyway,I write all my articles based on thread titles.Tegal2010-11-28 22:33:58

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Tegal wrote:
I think quoting this thread as being 51 pages was a perfect example of that. He clearly said it to back up his article by saying 52 pages = a sh*tload of fans think he should go,when really that's not the way the thread has gone.


Actually he said opinion was divided, referring to the thread.

You are misquoting 


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See how easily its done

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Junior82 wrote:
I s'pose so - if you want warriors goss then get the Mad Butcher's opinion.

Seems a bit lazy and open to some twisting of quotes/context to suit the point.

Might be better to actually approach News or Smiff or ML - the TV faces of the YF (rather than e.g. Tunnel Vision!).

 
the idea of smiff, news or ML being the accepted faces of this (or anything) makes me think it is time to pack this whole thing up and close it down

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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"Fast forward four months and Herbert is under attack from all angles. On the Yellow Fever website, there's a forum topic 'Coaching angst - sack Richie' [sic] 50 pages long.

It's been going on for nearly three months and opinion is divided on Herbert's abilities as a coach and even who should take over if he gets the chop".

He tries to imply there's been 3 months of angst starting after the world cup. This thread started in sept 09 after the bad run at the start of last season.

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Its been going on since Ricki started making bizarre decisions involving strategy and tactics.

Thankfully we are looking a bit better inthe last couple of games. Long may it continue.

Go Marco, good Hamilton Wanderers boy
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Feverish wrote:
[QUOTE=Steve-O]So you need height to get a pass on the deck 25yds out and then shoot?
 
I never mentioned height. My point was more general, in that I doubt Greenacre would have scored at least 1 of the 2 goals Ifill scored, and you can add Ifill's goal on Saturday to that list now too.
 
edit - so actually, I guess I am saying Ricki has done something RIGHT in ditching Greenacre
Steve-O2010-11-29 21:07:28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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I thought the entire thread had become simply sarcastic comments, only bought up when we win.
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Michael wrote:
I thought the entire thread had become simply sarcastic comments, only bought up when we win.
 
It had...but then our bad run had people thinking it had some merit again...but now 4 points out of 6 and it's reverted to the sarcasm again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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sir les wrote:
Its been going on since Ricki started making bizarre decisions involving strategy and tactics.

Thankfully we are looking a bit better inthe last couple of games. Long may it continue.

Go Marco, good Hamilton Wanderers boy
Wrong its been going on since season 1and i have no doubt it will continue for the next coach we get as well.Isnt that just what fans do.He should just thank his lucky stars he dosnt coach the All Black.Thats some serious coaching angst that goes on there.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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The only way fans stop criticising the manager is if the owner becomes the bad guy.  Chris Hughton doesn't cop much flak, because Toon fans will always blame Ashley for what's basically wrong with the club.
 
Probably an impossible position for RH - he's clearly identified as Terry's creature.
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Kim Jong IL for coach after they annihilate the puppet regime in the south!!!!
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Stripes wrote:
The only way fans stop criticising the manager is if the owner becomes the bad guy. 
Also slows down when the team consistently performs well...
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Hmmm not completely..

Allegedly

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kiwiMalaysia42 wrote:
Kim Jong IL for coach after they annihilate the puppet regime in the south!!!!
Great idea! Kim Jong Il has already shown he knows how to ensure footballing success...

"Kim Jong Il addresses the nation."
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