Vicelich has no interest in living in Wellington, by all accounts.
Stupid comment. I had zero interest in living in Auckland until I was offered good money to move there. Coaching Angst - ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Vicelich has no interest in living in Wellington, by all accounts.
Stupid comment. I had zero interest in living in Auckland until I was offered good money to move there.
You went north?... no wonder the ROF has lost it's lustre!
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No I was close to going but the situation changed. I'm still at the ROF so you can't blame me!
Put it this way, if Ivan was offered a job here and ACFC offered him more to stay and coach there (which they would), then I would understand.
Put it this way, if Ivan was offered a job here and ACFC offered him more to stay and coach there (which they would), then I would understand.
Fuck this stupid game
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I am also not calling for Rickie to go now, but at some time you would expect there to be some sort of change. If I remember correctly he has one more season on his contract after this season. Depending on results it my be time for a change. He would have had 6 seasons on the trot . This is his team, his lads, but many of them are pushing past 30 years old. The squad will be in need of a major overhall. Maybe after year six it would be time to get someone else in and let them build their own squad.
Who else? either someone from within the NZ football structure or an outsider. Dutch coaches seem to be the flavour of the month in Australia. I wouldn't mind if the Nix changed their playing style to more of a continental Dutch style.
Or failing that how about getting the NZ SAS guys back from Afganistan and get them to launch a raid on Brisbane to kidnap Postecoglou......we won't release him until he coaches the Nix to back to back titles
I agree with you saying at some point it may be time for change. Personally I have nothing against Rickie, but I would say, and this is clearly my speculation, Wellnix will let this season go with Rickie and the current squad. This season will be used to assess the situation, players, Rickie and come up with the business plan, youth team etc.
It will really depend on style of football that they expect Nix to play whether Rickie will stay or go. If they want to make Nix profitable, the only way would be to change the style of football to something more modern (Dutch style of football or Roar?) This decision would need to be $$$ driven business decision: Firstly, young players cost less, can be sold to the other markets and it is much easier to mold the team and style of football which would attracts more fans, that would lead to better attendance=more $$$ + sponsors. This will fit well with the promotion of young NZ Talents. It also means they would need to get rid of some of the older players and keep only few experienced players to balance the team (Postecoglou kicked out Moore and a few other guys, but kept McKay...).
Unfortunately, I can't see that Rickie would fit with such a concept. He prefers older physical, players and old fashion style of football. That means playing wide with heaps of crosses in 18 yards box. This is for him a safe way to play where he doesn't need to take any risks (it paid off in the past, but remember the last second half at the World Cup?). In all honesty, nothing wrong with that, but that is exactly why youngsters get very limited game time with Nix. Reality is that Kosta spent 98% on the bench and Marco was lucky that Paul got injured and he played exceptionally well in the first couple of games (I know he played well in majority of the games, but without being influential in the first two games Rickie would drop him to the bench and that would be end of his career with Nix).
Let's wait and see, but having a charismatic leader who is capable to do all necessary changes will be crucial, and, definitely the key to success.
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No I was close to going but the situation changed. I'm still at the ROF so you can't blame me!
Put it this way, if Ivan was offered a job here and ACFC offered him more to stay and coach there (which they would), then I would understand.
Put it this way, if Ivan was offered a job here and ACFC offered him more to stay and coach there (which they would), then I would understand.
Surely the chance to coach a professional side would have to be a factor though, if he's keen on coaching as a career (although I guess if you coach ACFC you get a once a year shot at playing in the Club World Championship Cup Trophy or whatever its called, which might mean something to someone somewhere...)
And are ACFC's pockets that deep? I don't know much about the financial status of NZFC franchises
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"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
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I am also not calling for Rickie to go now, but at some time you would expect there to be some sort of change. If I remember correctly he has one more season on his contract after this season. Depending on results it my be time for a change. He would have had 6 seasons on the trot . This is his team, his lads, but many of them are pushing past 30 years old. The squad will be in need of a major overhall. Maybe after year six it would be time to get someone else in and let them build their own squad.
Who else? either someone from within the NZ football structure or an outsider. Dutch coaches seem to be the flavour of the month in Australia. I wouldn't mind if the Nix changed their playing style to more of a continental Dutch style.
Or failing that how about getting the NZ SAS guys back from Afganistan and get them to launch a raid on Brisbane to kidnap Postecoglou......we won't release him until he coaches the Nix to back to back titles
I agree with you saying at some point it may be time for change. Personally I have nothing against Rickie, but I would say, and this is clearly my speculation, Wellnix will let this season go with Rickie and the current squad. This season will be used to assess the situation, players, Rickie and come up with the business plan, youth team etc.
It will really depend on style of football that they expect Nix to play whether Rickie will stay or go. If they want to make Nix profitable, the only way would be to change the style of football to something more modern (Dutch style of football or Roar?) This decision would need to be $$$ driven business decision: Firstly, young players cost less, can be sold to the other markets and it is much easier to mold the team and style of football which would attracts more fans, that would lead to better attendance=more $$$ + sponsors. This will fit well with the promotion of young NZ Talents. It also means they would need to get rid of some of the older players and keep only few experienced players to balance the team (Postecoglou kicked out Moore and a few other guys, but kept McKay...).
Unfortunately, I can't see that Rickie would fit with such a concept. He prefers older physical, players and old fashion style of football. That means playing wide with heaps of crosses in 18 yards box. This is for him a safe way to play where he doesn't need to take any risks (it paid off in the past, but remember the last second half at the World Cup?). In all honesty, nothing wrong with that, but that is exactly why youngsters get very limited game time with Nix. Reality is that Kosta spent 98% on the bench and Marco was lucky that Paul got injured and he played exceptionally well in the first couple of games (I know he played well in majority of the games, but without being influential in the first two games Rickie would drop him to the bench and that would be end of his career with Nix).
Let's wait and see, but having a charismatic leader who is capable to do all necessary changes will be crucial, and, definitely the key to success.
On the other hand, if the new owners have a mentality that is about long-term planning, steady as she goes, build a squad, no flashy signings, run the club at a profit, then I can see them keeping Ricki on for a while yet. They don't seem like the sort of crew who will sack managers on a whim in search of short-term success. I'd guess that Ricki's current salary also probably represents a good deal relative to the market.
The first thing they need to do is get him an assistant coach(es).
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Keep in mind that part of Ricki's salary is coming from NZF so I think he'd be reluctant to give up one for the other. If I were Ricki i'd want to keep either both jobs or neither!
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We get regularly bagged on the Aussie football sites for playing "old fashion" football. Sure it has been effective at times over the the last 4 years but the only time we have really kicked arse was when Ifill was on fire two years ago and the second half of last year when Rojas was doing his stuff. In between it has been the same old stuff. The Nix brand is well organised defense, which Rickie is good at plus uncompromising tough midfield play, we play wide and cross the ball into the box mixed up with some direct long ball stuff. Simple bread and butter football.
Trouble is the rest of the A-League has moved on. We are too easily countered now. IMO it is time for a change in playing style. Incorporated with this is a need for some new players. We despirately need some pace up front. We also need to get rid of some of the bover boys in midfield and get some players who can pass and move and hold possession. If Rickie can organise all this then fine....he stays. If not then find someone who can.
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I find them bagging us for playing old fashion football pretty ironic...
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The moment you start believing what you read on Aussie forums you need to consider seeking help.
In the 2nd and 3rd seasons we were regularly commended for playing some of the best football in the league and apart from Ange's Brisbane EVERY other team in this league are likely to start biffing it long from the back at some point.
Hell, Archie and Danny Allsopp lead the league in scoring for years doing exactly that.
Even now against Perth, against Newcastle for 42 minutes against Melbourne we played very little 'old-fashioned' football.
In the 2nd and 3rd seasons we were regularly commended for playing some of the best football in the league and apart from Ange's Brisbane EVERY other team in this league are likely to start biffing it long from the back at some point.
Hell, Archie and Danny Allsopp lead the league in scoring for years doing exactly that.
Even now against Perth, against Newcastle for 42 minutes against Melbourne we played very little 'old-fashioned' football.
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Maybe it's the Mos that's wots confusing 'em?
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We get regularly bagged on the Aussie football sites for playing "old fashion" football. Sure it has been effective at times over the the last 4 years but the only time we have really kicked arse was when Ifill was on fire two years ago and the second half of last year when Rojas was doing his stuff. In between it has been the same old stuff. The Nix brand is well organised defense, which Rickie is good at plus uncompromising tough midfield play, we play wide and cross the ball into the box mixed up with some direct long ball stuff. Simple bread and butter football.
Trouble is the rest of the A-League has moved on. We are too easily countered now. IMO it is time for a change in playing style. Incorporated with this is a need for some new players. We despirately need some pace up front. We also need to get rid of some of the bover boys in midfield and get some players who can pass and move and hold possession. If Rickie can organise all this then fine....he stays. If not then find someone who can.
You didn't watch the Basques take it to Barcelona, I take it?
That was extremely 'old-fashioned' football (man-marking, no real off-side line, direct), on a budget and with weird recruiting rules, matching up pretty well against the most "modern" footballing side on the planet.Or perhaps it's just that empirical data is of no interest to the priests of moving on!
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We get regularly bagged on the Aussie football sites for playing "old fashion" football. Sure it has been effective at times over the the last 4 years but the only time we have really kicked arse was when Ifill was on fire two years ago and the second half of last year when Rojas was doing his stuff. In between it has been the same old stuff. The Nix brand is well organised defense, which Rickie is good at plus uncompromising tough midfield play, we play wide and cross the ball into the box mixed up with some direct long ball stuff. Simple bread and butter football.
Trouble is the rest of the A-League has moved on. We are too easily countered now. IMO it is time for a change in playing style. Incorporated with this is a need for some new players. We despirately need some pace up front. We also need to get rid of some of the bover boys in midfield and get some players who can pass and move and hold possession. If Rickie can organise all this then fine....he stays. If not then find someone who can.
You didn't watch the Basques take it to Barcelona, I take it?
That was extremely 'old-fashioned' football (man-marking, no real off-side line, direct), on a budget and with weird recruiting rules, matching up pretty well against the most "modern" footballing side on the planet.Or perhaps it's just that empirical data is of no interest to the priests of moving on!
plus its common knowledge that Barcelona wouldn't be able to win at Stoke on a rainy Tuesday night...
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We get regularly bagged on the Aussie football sites for playing "old fashion" football. Sure it has been effective at times over the the last 4 years but the only time we have really kicked arse was when Ifill was on fire two years ago and the second half of last year when Rojas was doing his stuff. In between it has been the same old stuff. The Nix brand is well organised defense, which Rickie is good at plus uncompromising tough midfield play, we play wide and cross the ball into the box mixed up with some direct long ball stuff. Simple bread and butter football.
Trouble is the rest of the A-League has moved on. We are too easily countered now. IMO it is time for a change in playing style. Incorporated with this is a need for some new players. We despirately need some pace up front. We also need to get rid of some of the bover boys in midfield and get some players who can pass and move and hold possession. If Rickie can organise all this then fine....he stays. If not then find someone who can.
You didn't watch the Basques take it to Barcelona, I take it?
That was extremely 'old-fashioned' football (man-marking, no real off-side line, direct), on a budget and with weird recruiting rules, matching up pretty well against the most "modern" footballing side on the planet.Or perhaps it's just that empirical data is of no interest to the priests of moving on!
plus its common knowledge that Barcelona wouldn't be able to win at Stoke on a rainy Tuesday night...
That may be the true, but any other top club can lose to Stoke on rainy Tuesday night as well. The real question is: where do you see Nix in a few years time, which style of football, players etc. Stoke of A League? Definitively not my cup of tea.
P.S. This discussion may be more appropriate under the new topic "Style of football you think Nix should play" rather then " Sack Rickie...".
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http://www.radiosport.co.nz/SportsNews/spsoc/Detail.aspx?id=208736
Herbert yet to sign contract with Phoenix11/10/2011 9:56 AM
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<!--p><strong>Wellington Phoenix coach Ricki Herbert's revealed he's yet to sign a contract with his new employers at the A-League club.</strong></p-->
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By Matt Brown
Wellington Phoenix coach Ricki Herbert's revealed he's yet to sign a contract with his new employers at the A-League club.
Herbert says with Welnix Ltd now in charge of the club, a new contract to replace the deal he'd struck with former owner Terry Serepisos after the 2010 FIFA World Cup is appropriate.
But first, Herbert wants to know more about their long term vision, including where they stand on getting a reserve side up and running.
The Phoenix travel to Brisbane to face the top of the table Roar this weekend.
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Change the title, cant sack someone who hasnt signed
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No I was close to going but the situation changed. I'm still at the ROF so you can't blame me!
Put it this way, if Ivan was offered a job here and ACFC offered him more to stay and coach there (which they would), then I would understand.
Put it this way, if Ivan was offered a job here and ACFC offered him more to stay and coach there (which they would), then I would understand.
Surely the chance to coach a professional side would have to be a factor though, if he's keen on coaching as a career (although I guess if you coach ACFC you get a once a year shot at playing in the Club World Championship Cup Trophy or whatever its called, which might mean something to someone somewhere...)
And are ACFC's pockets that deep? I don't know much about the financial status of NZFC franchises
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No I was close to going but the situation changed. I'm still at the ROF so you can't blame me!
Put it this way, if Ivan was offered a job here and ACFC offered him more to stay and coach there (which they would), then I would understand.
Put it this way, if Ivan was offered a job here and ACFC offered him more to stay and coach there (which they would), then I would understand.
Surely the chance to coach a professional side would have to be a factor though, if he's keen on coaching as a career (although I guess if you coach ACFC you get a once a year shot at playing in the Club World Championship Cup Trophy or whatever its called, which might mean something to someone somewhere...)
And are ACFC's pockets that deep? I don't know much about the financial status of NZFC franchises
love it!
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apparently ricki was due to meet with the owners this week to discuss the team's performances. any word on how this went?
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apparently ricki was due to meet with the owners this week to discuss the team's performances.� any word on how this went?
I'm sure any time we will be getting a press release saying that 'Ricki has the full confidence of the board"
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apparently ricki was due to meet with the owners this week to discuss the team's performances. any word on how this went?
I'm sure any time we will be getting a press release saying that 'Ricki has the full confidence of the board"
and several european strikers in his sights
" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow
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We get regularly bagged on the Aussie football sites for playing "old fashion" football. Sure it has been effective at times over the the last 4 years but the only time we have really kicked arse was when Ifill was on fire two years ago and the second half of last year when Rojas was doing his stuff. In between it has been the same old stuff. The Nix brand is well organised defense, which Rickie is good at plus uncompromising tough midfield play, we play wide and cross the ball into the box mixed up with some direct long ball stuff. Simple bread and butter football.
Trouble is the rest of the A-League has moved on. We are too easily countered now. IMO it is time for a change in playing style. Incorporated with this is a need for some new players. We despirately need some pace up front. We also need to get rid of some of the bover boys in midfield and get some players who can pass and move and hold possession. If Rickie can organise all this then fine....he stays. If not then find someone who can.
Very accurate articulation of the Phoenix game plan. I'm not saying its a bad one - but we must have more than one up the sleeve surely! I can't recall seeing Ricki successfully change a game strategy mid-match using subs or formation change. We need other options to create some unpredictability in the phoenix performance and to create doubt in the oppositions mind. If Ricki can't achieve it - then he needs help to.
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Ricki was a good DEFENDER...that says everything...
probably current Nix's style is just his style, tough defence and "clearance" long balls to the strikers
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"But first, Herbert wants to know more about their long term vision, including where they stand on getting a reserve side up and running."
Oh please, spare me, Ricky. Don't start over rating yourself. I don't care if the Nix coach comes from overseas. You need help on the coaching bench. Just ask for it, and don't go into "write this season off" mode !!
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The real question is: where do you see Nix in a few years time, which style of football, players� etc. Stoke of A League? Definitively not my cup of tea.P.S. This discussion may be more appropriate under the new topic "Style of football you think Nix should� play" rather then " Sack Rickie...".
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We're from Wellington
Where you come from do you pack the chilly bin?
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"Phoenix till they lose"
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Probably brought up elsewhere but i cant be arsed to look. Any one else concerned that Ricki could end up with the Phoenix,the All Whites and the Olympics team if they get there.
Just how he can claim to do justice to all 3 i dont understand.If your an up an coming coach in NZ it seems if you dont align yourself to Ricki you might just well whistle.
Any one else concerned that Ricki could end up with the Phoenix,the All Whites and the Olympics team if they get there.Just how he can claim to do justice to all 3 i dont understand.If your an up an coming coach in NZ it seems if you dont align yourself to Ricki you might just well whistle.
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I have said this for the last 2 seasons and now this one. Rickie needs to go.
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So the two finals appearances in a row weren't enough for you?
Do you actually watch the games? We've been consistently the team with most balls into the box for the last two seasons, continuing into this season. The quality of the crosses is mostly shocking and its debatable as to whether the possession could be used more effectively, however this stat does show real attacking intent.
[QUOTE=markho]As for an assistant, I get the feeling the other assistants left because Rickie wouldn't/couldn't listen to they suggestions etc.
So the two finals appearances in a row weren't enough for you?
The game on Friday showed yet again that his so-called tactics are abouit 15 years too old.[/QUOTE]
Admittedly the team were out-thought on Friday, with CCM shutting down our wide areas quickly and forcing us to play through the middle or from the back. However its hard to have a Plan B with only 15 players.
[QUOTE=markho]Playing the ball across the back then punting a long ball forward to one of the shortest strikers is no longer on.
Admittedly the team were out-thought on Friday, with CCM shutting down our wide areas quickly and forcing us to play through the middle or from the back. However its hard to have a Plan B with only 15 players.
[QUOTE=markho]Playing the ball across the back then punting a long ball forward to one of the shortest strikers is no longer on.
Do you actually watch the games? We've been consistently the team with most balls into the box for the last two seasons, continuing into this season. The quality of the crosses is mostly shocking and its debatable as to whether the possession could be used more effectively, however this stat does show real attacking intent.
[QUOTE=markho]As for an assistant, I get the feeling the other assistants left because Rickie wouldn't/couldn't listen to they suggestions etc.
lolwhut? Now that is one of the most ridiculous assumptions I've ever read...
Sorry but IMO 'balls into the box' is a rubbish stat, and one I've only ever seen used in the A-League in all my years of watching football.
We do get plenty of balls into the box, but many of these are aimless punts, or crosses to nobody, or crosses that don't make it past the first defender.
So we may score high on 'balls into the box', but how many of these turn into genuine clear cut chances or goals? That is what matters after all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
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Interview on 3 news earlier..he is happy with the squad of 15 and there is more to get out of them....gets my vote.....with my feet.
A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen
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Interview on 3 news earlier..he is happy with the squad of 15 and there is more to get out of them....gets my vote.....with my feet.
FFS. In that case, nobody on here can now make excuses for him about the lack of numbers in the squad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
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Interview on 3 news earlier..he is happy with the squad of 15 and there is more to get out of them....gets my vote.....with my feet.
You could read it that way. Or there is no one good enough available, or the owners have limited the budget such that any players within budget and available aren't an improvement (remember - anyone available at this point is likely availalbe for a reason). If you read it the alternate way, it wouldn't be particularly good for team morale to say "I don't think the current lot are good enough, wish I could sign more players but can't - we're f**ked".
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Interview on 3 news earlier..he is happy with the squad of 15 and there is more to get out of them....gets my vote.....with my feet.
You could read it that way. Or there is no one good enough available, or the owners have limited the budget such that any players within budget and available aren't an improvement (remember - anyone available at this point is likely availalbe for a reason). If you read it the alternate way, it wouldn't be particularly good for team morale to say "I don't think the current lot are good enough, wish I could sign more players but can't - we're f**ked".
Morgan was just saying the other day that Ricki would be asked to draw up a realistic wishlist. There surely has to be SOMEONE out there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
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Interview on 3 news earlier..he is happy with the squad of 15 and there is more to get out of them....gets my vote.....with my feet.
You could read it that way. Or there is no one good enough available, or the owners have limited the budget such that any players within budget and available aren't an improvement (remember - anyone available at this point is likely availalbe for a reason). If you read it the alternate way, it wouldn't be particularly good for team morale to say "I don't think the current lot are good enough, wish I could sign more players but can't - we're f**ked".
It's now the middle of the season, and from what I understand, if we have to pay a transfer fee it counts against the salary cap on top of the new salary, and would we really want anyone that is being released from a club without a fee? I just don't see it as a realistic prospect. Fantastic if it is, but...
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The talk about the owners limiting the budget does not wash. The Nix pay big ACC levies....just like every other business. Pantellis, Pav, Lia and probably Ifill will be getting 80% of their wages paid by ACC. The reason we have a squad of 15 is NOTHING to do with money, or the new owners. For some reason Rickie has decided that he can make do with the guys he has at the moment.
A couple of years ago we had a run of injuries and Rickie took Clapham and Lovemore as cover away against Sydney. Clapham never got a game but I remember Lovemore got 30 mins and did not look out of place. I find it hard to believe that there is no one locally in NZ or in state leagues in Australia who could come to cover for injured players.
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Interview on 3 news earlier..he is happy with the squad of 15 and there is more to get out of them....gets my vote.....with my feet.
You could read it that way. Or there is no one good enough available, or the owners have limited the budget such that any players within budget and available aren't an improvement (remember - anyone available at this point is likely availalbe for a reason). If you read it the alternate way, it wouldn't be particularly good for team morale to say "I don't think the current lot are good enough, wish I could sign more players but can't - we're f**ked".
It's now the middle of the season, and from what I understand, if we have to pay a transfer fee it counts against the salary cap on top of the new salary, and would we really want anyone that is being released from a club without a fee? I just don't see it as a realistic prospect. Fantastic if it is, but...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Riordan - as stated on another thread. Available, free agent, scores goals, would score for fun in the A-League.
There are players out there to be had, we just need to look a bit harder I think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
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He's not a New Zealander or Australian.
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A couple of years ago we had a run of injuries and Rickie took Clapham and Lovemore as cover away against Sydney. Clapham never got a game but I remember Lovemore got 30 mins and did not look out of place. I find it hard to believe that there is no one locally in NZ or in state leagues in Australia who could come to cover for injured players.
I agree, though with most of the local talent tied up with ASB Premiership clubs - surely it would be hard to convince any of those clubs to release a player to train with the Nix on the off chance they *might* get a game or two.
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He's not a New Zealander or Australian.
We should kick out one of our other imports to get him!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
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