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I'm also of the opinion that it was a travesty clapham or andy barron were never given at least a basic one year contract. I mean it's a no risk move. Pay them very little compared to others and doesn't take up an import slot. I think these guys were good enough to be squad players.
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This has to be one of the better articles I've seen on the Nix for quite a while.
A good balanced article. But the anonymous nature of the quotes spoils it. We don't know whether it's disinterested parties who want the best for NZ football and the Nix, or Danny Hay and his clique.
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I'm also of the opinion that it was a travesty clapham or andy barron were never given at least a basic one year contract.
Okay, knitters, riddle me this: if Ricki "can't spot local talent" (and Boyd and Fenton are just chopped liver), then why haven't these brilliant players you speak of been snapped up by other A-League teams, or even overseas? McGlinchey came through Scotland; Smeltzy, Kosta and Marco were at the Nix first. Why isn't Clapham knocking them in for the Jets if he's so great?
Of course, if Shabba isn't lying, then this discussion may be totally moot by tomorrow. And frankly the quicker it ends the better. And by which I mean "temporarily ends until the SACK [INSERT NAME HERE]" campaign starts. Speaking of which, did the guy who said he was taking a SACK RICKI banner to the game have the balls to do so or was he just a whiny troll?
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This has to be one of the better articles I've seen on the Nix for quite a while.
A good balanced article. But the anonymous nature of the quotes spoils it. We don't know whether it's disinterested parties who want the best for NZ football and the Nix, or Danny Hay and his clique.
Could just be quoting the commentors on stuff.co.nz for all we know.
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Could just be quoting the commentors on stuff.co.nz for all we know.
Yeah, that's what I thought by "former All White". It's Billy Harris!!!
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Didn't say play more just saying he shouldn't snob it like he has in the past. Never suggested play kiwis for the sake of it. I'm saying there is more talent in nz than we have been lead to believe. This coul possibly be something we choose to disagree on.
15 players have 10 or more appearances, of which 8 have played more than 30 games. 13 have played more than 20 games. Of those 2 to have played less than 20 and more than 10 it includes Brockie who will get to 20 on Wednesday and Old who I don't think will be adding to his Phoenix appearances. This season we regularly have at least 6 NZers starting.
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I'm also of the opinion that it was a travesty clapham or andy barron were never given at least a basic one year contract.
Okay, knitters, riddle me this: if Ricki "can't spot local talent" (and Boyd and Fenton are just chopped liver), then why haven't these brilliant players you speak of been snapped up by other A-League teams, or even overseas? McGlinchey came through Scotland; Smeltzy, Kosta and Marco were at the Nix first. Why isn't Clapham knocking them in for the Jets if he's so great?
Of course, if Shabba isn't lying, then this discussion may be totally moot by tomorrow. And frankly the quicker it ends the better. And by which I mean "temporarily ends until the SACK [INSERT NAME HERE]" campaign starts. Speaking of which, did the guy who said he was taking a SACK RICKI banner to the game have the balls to do so or was he just a whiny troll?
I said good enough to be squad players. Didn't say import players. Just like sigmund woulnt get signed up by anyone else as he would have to be an import.
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Didn't say play more just saying he shouldn't snob it like he has in the past. Never suggested play kiwis for the sake of it. I'm saying there is more talent in nz than we have been lead to believe. This coul possibly be something we choose to disagree on.
15 players have 10 or more appearances, of which 8 have played more than 30 games. 13 have played more than 20 games. Of those 2 to have played less than 20 and more than 10 it includes Brockie who will get to 20 on Wednesday and Old who I don't think will be adding to his Phoenix appearances. This season we regularly have at least 6 NZers starting.
15 players have played more than 10 games (or more than half a season). And this will be the all whites who have been around for a while.
But your missing my point that most of these have already established themselves before they came to the Phoenix.
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I'm also of the opinion that it was a travesty clapham or andy barron were never given at least a basic one year contract.
Okay, knitters, riddle me this: if Ricki "can't spot local talent" (and Boyd and Fenton are just chopped liver), then why haven't these brilliant players you speak of been snapped up by other A-League teams, or even overseas? McGlinchey came through Scotland; Smeltzy, Kosta and Marco were at the Nix first. Why isn't Clapham knocking them in for the Jets if he's so great?
Of course, if Shabba isn't lying, then this discussion may be totally moot by tomorrow. And frankly the quicker it ends the better. And by which I mean "temporarily ends until the SACK [INSERT NAME HERE]" campaign starts. Speaking of which, did the guy who said he was taking a SACK RICKI banner to the game have the balls to do so or was he just a whiny troll?
Kiwis being imports probably the main reason
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Ok if we haven't snobbed the local leagues who is a player we have taken from the asb premiership who's name isn't sigmund, kosta (who got such little game time he went somewhere else), or Rojas (who was like picked up on a yellow fever scholarship.
You will say Boyd and Fenton, and I'll say where were players like this in previous years. Can't tell me players like this weren't around before.
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This has to be one of the better articles I've seen on the Nix for quite a while.
A good balanced article. But the anonymous nature of the quotes spoils it. We don't know whether it's disinterested parties who want the best for NZ football and the Nix, or Danny Hay and his clique.
Yeah it would have been nicer for the sources to have been revealed, but if you were the journalist and got those quotes anonymously wouldn't you run with it? It wouldn't be Hay, or Harris or anyone like that, cause it's not as if they're been scared of saying it outright anyway.
I don't know, I just thought it was good to see someone at least appear to try to put both sides of the argument into an article, and dig a bit further than twitter.
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Ok if we haven't snobbed the local leagues who is a player we have taken from the asb premiership who's name isn't sigmund, kosta (who got such little game time he went somewhere else), or Rojas (who was like picked up on a yellow fever scholarship.
You will say Boyd and Fenton, and I'll say where were players like this in previous years. Can't tell me players like this weren't around before.
I do remember them trialling quite a few, e.g. krishna, and having the exact same argument back then.
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Ok if we haven't snobbed the local leagues who is a player we have taken from the asb premiership who's name isn't sigmund, kosta (who got such little game time he went somewhere else), or Rojas (who was like picked up on a yellow fever scholarship.
You will say Boyd and Fenton, and I'll say where were players like this in previous years. Can't tell me players like this weren't around before.
Boyd and Fenton.
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Ok if we haven't snobbed the local leagues who is a player we have taken from the asb premiership who's name isn't sigmund, kosta (who got such little game time he went somewhere else), or Rojas (who was like picked up on a yellow fever scholarship.
You will say Boyd and Fenton, and I'll say where were players like this in previous years. Can't tell me players like this weren't around before.
Greg Draper and Jacob Spoonley
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Didn't say play more just saying he shouldn't snob it like he has in the past. Never suggested play kiwis for the sake of it. I'm saying there is more talent in nz than we have been lead to believe. This coul possibly be something we choose to disagree on.
15 players have 10 or more appearances, of which 8 have played more than 30 games. 13 have played more than 20 games. Of those 2 to have played less than 20 and more than 10 it includes Brockie who will get to 20 on Wednesday and Old who I don't think will be adding to his Phoenix appearances. This season we regularly have at least 6 NZers starting.
15 players have played more than 10 games (or more than half a season). And this will be the all whites who have been around for a while.
But your missing my point that most of these have already established themselves before they came to the Phoenix.
So what if they were already established. The Phoenix have given them a career in football which some might not have had otherwise.
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Didn't say play more just saying he shouldn't snob it like he has in the past. Never suggested play kiwis for the sake of it. I'm saying there is more talent in nz than we have been lead to believe. This coul possibly be something we choose to disagree on.
15 players have 10 or more appearances, of which 8 have played more than 30 games. 13 have played more than 20 games. Of those 2 to have played less than 20 and more than 10 it includes Brockie who will get to 20 on Wednesday and Old who I don't think will be adding to his Phoenix appearances. This season we regularly have at least 6 NZers starting.
15 players have played more than 10 games (or more than half a season). And this will be the all whites who have been around for a while.
But your missing my point that most of these have already established themselves before they came to the Phoenix.
So what if they were already established. The Phoenix have given them a career in football which some might not have had otherwise.
So Herbert can spot talent by giving already established players a contract? Look I think the whole argument has been missed here.
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Didn't say play more just saying he shouldn't snob it like he has in the past. Never suggested play kiwis for the sake of it. I'm saying there is more talent in nz than we have been lead to believe. This coul possibly be something we choose to disagree on.
15 players have 10 or more appearances, of which 8 have played more than 30 games. 13 have played more than 20 games. Of those 2 to have played less than 20 and more than 10 it includes Brockie who will get to 20 on Wednesday and Old who I don't think will be adding to his Phoenix appearances. This season we regularly have at least 6 NZers starting.
15 players have played more than 10 games (or more than half a season). And this will be the all whites who have been around for a while.
But your missing my point that most of these have already established themselves before they came to the Phoenix.
So what if they were already established. The Phoenix have given them a career in football which some might not have had otherwise.
So Herbert can spot talent by giving already established players a contract? Look I think the whole argument has been missed here.
Ok, he has given 13 players their first experience of professional senior football.
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Ok if we haven't snobbed the local leagues who is a player we have taken from the asb premiership who's name isn't sigmund, kosta (who got such little game time he went somewhere else), or Rojas (who was like picked up on a yellow fever scholarship.
You will say Boyd and Fenton, and I'll say where were players like this in previous years. Can't tell me players like this weren't around before.
Greg Draper and Jacob Spoonley
Well done you named 2 players. Those are 2 young kiwis who have come along way since herberts tutelage.How long did he keep them for after they were to old for the youth spot?
So basically if the Phoenix don't need to fill a youth spot there is very little room for any kiwi talent unless they have already proved themselves at another club overseas.
That is fantastic and a real motivator for anyone playing in the ASB premiership.
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Ok if we haven't snobbed the local leagues who is a player we have taken from the asb premiership who's name isn't sigmund, kosta (who got such little game time he went somewhere else), or Rojas (who was like picked up on a yellow fever scholarship.
You will say Boyd and Fenton, and I'll say where were players like this in previous years. Can't tell me players like this weren't around before.
Greg Draper and Jacob Spoonley
Well done you named 2 players. Those are 2 young kiwis who have come along way since herberts tutelage.How long did he keep them for after they were to old for the youth spot?
So basically if the Phoenix don't need to fill a youth spot there is very little room for any kiwi talent unless they have already proved themselves at another club overseas.
That is fantastic and a real motivator for anyone playing in the ASB premiership.
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Ok if we haven't snobbed the local leagues who is a player we have taken from the asb premiership who's name isn't sigmund, kosta (who got such little game time he went somewhere else), or Rojas (who was like picked up on a yellow fever scholarship.
You will say Boyd and Fenton, and I'll say where were players like this in previous years. Can't tell me players like this weren't around before.
Greg Draper and Jacob Spoonley
Well done you named 2 players. Those are 2 young kiwis who have come along way since herberts tutelage.How long did he keep them for after they were to old for the youth spot?
So basically if the Phoenix don't need to fill a youth spot there is very little room for any kiwi talent unless they have already proved themselves at another club overseas.
That is fantastic and a real motivator for anyone playing in the ASB premiership.
But this is the problem, because so few have been given an opportunity there are very few that become good enough. Other clubs don't seem to have an issue with youth players on the park. Until this year it was very rare for a youth player to get much game time. Unless you were a freak like Rojas.
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I find it very difficult to believe that Ricki would be sacked during the most important week of our season...
"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009
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I find it very difficult to believe that Ricki would be sacked during the most important week of our season...
This is Welnix we're talking about..... We'll see tomorrow I guess. I expect RH will be here for the foreseeable future unfortunately.
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Today I had a phone call from someone I work with who had been talking to Ricki's agent, which I'm sure some of the senior YF members know who I'm referring too, and I was told that Ricki has been given an ultimatum by the board today: get sacked or resign and move upstairs.
This will be announced tomorrow (Tuesday) and am not sure if it'll be immediate or at the end of the season, so can't help you there.
Believe me if you wish, but my colleague who met Ricki's agent is also about to sign to be on his books too, so has credit.
Hmmm...... You can't bullshit a bullshitter.
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Ok if we haven't snobbed the local leagues who is a player we have taken from the asb premiership who's name isn't sigmund, kosta (who got such little game time he went somewhere else), or Rojas (who was like picked up on a yellow fever scholarship.
You will say Boyd and Fenton, and I'll say where were players like this in previous years. Can't tell me players like this weren't around before.
Greg Draper and Jacob Spoonley
Well done you named 2 players. Those are 2 young kiwis who have come along way since herberts tutelage.How long did he keep them for after they were to old for the youth spot?
Seriously? One is playing pub football in Wales and the other can't get a game in the ASB Premiership.
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Ok if we haven't snobbed the local leagues who is a player we have taken from the asb premiership who's name isn't sigmund, kosta (who got such little game time he went somewhere else), or Rojas (who was like picked up on a yellow fever scholarship.
You will say Boyd and Fenton, and I'll say where were players like this in previous years. Can't tell me players like this weren't around before.
Greg Draper and Jacob Spoonley
Well done you named 2 players. Those are 2 young kiwis who have come along way since herberts tutelage.How long did he keep them for after they were to old for the youth spot?
So basically if the Phoenix don't need to fill a youth spot there is very little room for any kiwi talent unless they have already proved themselves at another club overseas.
That is fantastic and a real motivator for anyone playing in the ASB premiership.
But this is the problem, because so few have been given an opportunity there are very few that become good enough. Other clubs don't seem to have an issue with youth players on the park. Until this year it was very rare for a youth player to get much game time. Unless you were a freak like Rojas.
So who wasn't given the opportunity that he richly deserved?
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Today I had a phone call from someone I work with who had been talking to Ricki's agent, which I'm sure some of the senior YF members know who I'm referring too, and I was told that Ricki has been given an ultimatum by the board today: get sacked or resign and move upstairs.
This will be announced tomorrow (Tuesday) and am not sure if it'll be immediate or at the end of the season, so can't help you there.
Believe me if you wish, but my colleague who met Ricki's agent is also about to sign to be on his books too, so has credit.
If true it means that Welnix have coughed up the budget for a back office role, or paying out his contract, which had been previously ruled out.
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Today I had a phone call from someone I work with who had been talking to Ricki's agent, which I'm sure some of the senior YF members know who I'm referring too, and I was told that Ricki has been given an ultimatum by the board today: get sacked or resign and move upstairs.
This will be announced tomorrow (Tuesday) and am not sure if it'll be immediate or at the end of the season, so can't help you there.
Believe me if you wish, but my colleague who met Ricki's agent is also about to sign to be on his books too, so has credit.
"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009
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Director of development - will enable him to continue with both the Nix and his All Whites responsibilities.
Replacement will be recruited through a worldwide search. Announcement being made now to enable recruitment to get underway and the replacement to be in place to oversee off-season player recruitment and to be in place to run the off-season program.
Retaining Ricki's experience important as the club continues to implement its development strategy but recognises the need for a full time coach. Also enables Ricki to dedicate the time required to take the All Whites through their next very important WC qualification phase.
Win, win ...........
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Some sort of announcement that this'll be his last season as first team coach would be no surprise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
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Director of development - will enable him to continue with both the Nix and his All Whites responsibilities.
Replacement will be recruited through a worldwide search. Announcement being made now to enable recruitment to get underway and the replacement to be in place to oversee off-season player recruitment and to be in place to run the off-season program.
Retaining Ricki's experience important as the club continues to implement its development strategy but recognises the need for a full time coach. Also enables Ricki to dedicate the time required to take the All Whites through their next very important WC qualification phase.
Win, win ...........
That's a splendidly specific prediction.
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The one reason I call bullshit on this story is that if I had an agent and he was blabbing shit like this around town he would not be my agent ( or anybody elses for that matter) for very long
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#importantphoenixannouncement
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
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Ok if we haven't snobbed the local leagues who is a player we have taken from the asb premiership who's name isn't sigmund, kosta (who got such little game time he went somewhere else), or Rojas (who was like picked up on a yellow fever scholarship.
You will say Boyd and Fenton, and I'll say where were players like this in previous years. Can't tell me players like this weren't around before.
I love how your argument begins with: the nix havent signed enough players from the asb premiership, but dont use these 5 players as an argument because I want to ignore that they counter my point
Name a player who plays in the local league who should have been signed by the nix who is hungry and has had trials at overseas clubs in the past and isnt clapham and whose middle name begins with a q.
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We will see by the end of tomorrow....
Tomorrow never comes.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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The one reason I call bullshit on this story is that if I had an agent and he was blabbing shit like this around town he would not be my agent ( or anybody elses for that matter) for very long
True. What sort of agent tells a random dude about their clients about to get fired ?
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New stat to counter the 3 playoffs in a row line that is often trotted out.
At the end of this season Ricki will have finished in the bottom half in 4 out of 6 seasons in charge. Doesn't sound so great does it?
Normo's coming home
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The one reason I call bullshit on this story is that if I had an agent and he was blabbing shit like this around town he would not be my agent ( or anybody elses for that matter) for very long
True. What sort of agent tells a random dude about their clients about to get fired ?
Could be that it's done to is worried about $ from herberts next gig .
Sure there are alot of agents out there, not all good ones.
We'll see.
I've being expecting some news for the last 3 weeks.
Could be tomorrow, but hopfully soon anyway.
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