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james dean wrote:

So when you are saying that he is getting closer and closer to the boot, that would imply that the people who make the decisions are going to "boot" him out.

Except they just awarded him another contract.
 
Which makes your "opinion" look completely idiotic.


ok- IN MY BOOK, HE IS GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO THE BOOT

i.e/ i am getting more and more convinced he is not the right man.

GET IT NOW ?
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james dean wrote:

So when you are saying that he is getting closer and closer to the boot, that would imply that the people who make the decisions are going to "boot" him out.


Except they just awarded him another contract.

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Which makes your "opinion" look completely idiotic.


Great minds think alike
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whooooooo wrote:
what has happened to steve mclaren ?
I prefered Wyners, he's never this angsty and would be in bed by now. Oska2009-09-04 23:33:55
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You know what cosimo, we're looking like bloody einstein compared to some of this stuffjames dean2009-09-04 23:34:41

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Mod please.
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james dean wrote:
You know what cosimo, we're looking like bloody einstein compared to these pea brained idiots


can you imagine a podcast by these guys? It'd just be shouting and swearing and dribbling
I like tautologies because I like them.
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james dean wrote:
You know what cosimo, we're looking like bloody einstein compared to these pea brained idiots


i have feelings you know. and right now, you've just hurt them.
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Frankie Mac wrote:
So Steve-o, crunch time.  Back up all your inane ramblings with something concrete.  Who should replace Ricki.  Don't just say "anyone", tell us your well thought out opinions on coaches who are available, affordable and better than Ricki.
 
Sorry, but my opinion is that Ricki is NOT GOOD ENOUGH to do the job. It is not my job to find his replacement.
 
I have seen your argument put forward before, and I'd like to give an example of why it is flawed, if I may.
 
Hibs, about 5 years ago were in a similar situation - playing badly, but managing to 'consolidate' around 6th-8th in the SPL. Bobby Williamson was the manager. I personally thought the guy was a joke and never had a clue and I wanted him to go. People kind of agreed but "who else can we get?" was the question I was asked several times. Of course, I had no idea who would want the job, who was available etc etc. However, eventually the tube got another job offer (who knows how) and left much to the delight of most fans. In came Tony Mowbray (now Celtic manager) completely out of left field as he had not been a manager before - in his first season we finished 3rd in the league, and his 2nd season we finished 4th - crowds were up, season ticket sales were up, attacking football was on the menu, and the general feel-good factor was all around for all to see.
 
The point of all the above is that just because there is nobody staring us in the face who could take over, does NOT mean that there is NOBODY out there who could do better than Ricki. I refuse to believe there are NO managers in the world (and in the Phoenix price range) who could do better!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Stefan wrote:
Mod please.
Wheeeeeere's your powers goneOska2009-09-04 23:35:29
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Cosimo wrote:


still doesn't make any sense - it's like saying first half white, second half black - overall, black.
 
More like - 1st half grey, 2nd half black, overall = black.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Steve-o, that is fine, but just say out of the A-League are there any coaches that you would prefer?

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whooooooo wrote:
james dean wrote:
You know what cosimo, we're looking like bloody einstein compared to these pea brained idiots


i have feelings you know. and right now, you've just hurt them.
 
So are Ricki's

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Stefan wrote:
Mod please.
 
Oi, this is a legitimate opinion - just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean you should go crying to the moderators.
 
Why don't you present an argument about why you disagree with me instead of 'Mod please' which adds absolutely nothing to the debate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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james dean wrote:
whooooooo wrote:
james dean wrote:
You know what cosimo, we're looking like bloody einstein compared to these pea brained idiots


i have feelings you know. and right now, you've just hurt them.
 
So are Ricki's


does he actually read all this ?

i think he has better things to do

like -  scratching his head and wondering why one up front does not work.
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yes, I think you've missed the point - and the sarcasm

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Steve-O wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
So Steve-o, crunch time.  Back up all your inane ramblings with something concrete.  Who should replace Ricki.  Don't just say "anyone", tell us your well thought out opinions on coaches who are available, affordable and better than Ricki.
 
Sorry, but my opinion is that Ricki is NOT GOOD ENOUGH to do the job. It is not my job to find his replacement.
 
I have seen your argument put forward before, and I'd like to give an example of why it is flawed, if I may.
 
Hibs, about 5 years ago were in a similar situation - playing badly, but managing to 'consolidate' around 6th-8th in the SPL. Bobby Williamson was the manager. I personally thought the guy was a joke and never had a clue and I wanted him to go. People kind of agreed but "who else can we get?" was the question I was asked several times. Of course, I had no idea who would want the job, who was available etc etc. However, eventually the tube got another job offer (who knows how) and left much to the delight of most fans. In came Tony Mowbray (now Celtic manager) completely out of left field as he had not been a manager before - in his first season we finished 3rd in the league, and his 2nd season we finished 4th - crowds were up, season ticket sales were up, attacking football was on the menu, and the general feel-good factor was all around for all to see.
 
The point of all the above is that just because there is nobody staring us in the face who could take over, does NOT mean that there is NOBODY out there who could do better than Ricki. I refuse to believe there are NO managers in the world (and in the Phoenix price range) who could do better!
 
Sure, but a lot of clubs have got rid of their manager and then done worse. I'm not really a big Ricky fan, but it's still early in the season, and personally I think we are looking better than last season overall. There's a few things I disagree with of course. In any scenario, I wouldn't want them to get rid of him unless they are confident they have a better replacement.
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james dean wrote:
yes, I think you've missed the point - and the sarcasm


believe you me i got the point.
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Anyway back to it steve- o, are there any of the other A-League coaches that you'd prefer?
 
I ask this because I think that Ricki is the equal of other coaches in the league.  I'm not saying that he's the best coach in thw world but I think he's good enough to get good performances out of this group of players, and he has doe in the past.  Of course I want us to play scintillating attacking football every week, but that's not really the nature of the league.
 
You blame every result on failed tactics, but the fact is that some of what happens is just poor performances byt the players, not everything can come back to the coach

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james dean wrote:
Steve-o, that is fine, but just say out of the A-League are there any coaches that you would prefer?
 
Nobody has impressed greatly so far to be honest but it's pointless talking about a coach from another team since they won't come anyway.
 
Let's be fair, I am fairly new to the A-League (only 1.5 seasons) and I am only basing my opinions on what I have seen on the Phoenix over that time. Tonight was like a rerun of SO MANY games last season - i.e. drawn games that we were favourites to win but didn't really do much other than push forward for the last 5 minutes.
 
In my opinion the squad is better, but we are still making the same mistakes, and we are still not picking up 3 points when we should be! For me, this is down to the coach and the cautious approach taken in the 2nd half is just completely perplexing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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james dean wrote:
That's just completely over the top in a half that we didn't conced in.  The lack of objectivity is just so ridiculous and just devalues your whole point (if there even is one)

load of bollocks JD
We were playing a team missing six players thru injury and suspension and struggling at second to last and your level of aspiration is that we don't concede? That was a bloody ordinary second half and we were the second best side in it.
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james dean wrote:
Anyway back to it steve- o, are there any of the other A-League coaches that you'd prefer?
 
I ask this because I think that Ricki is the equal of other coaches in the league.  I'm not saying that he's the best coach in thw world but I think he's good enough to get good performances out of this group of players, and he has doe in the past.  Of course I want us to play scintillating attacking football every week, but that's not really the nature of the league.
 
You blame every result on failed tactics, but the fact is that some of what happens is just poor performances byt the players, not everything can come back to the coach
 
james - my problem is that these good performances are far too few and far between if we are to do anything in the league.
 
Lets be completely honest - how many really good performances were there last season? Maybe 4 or 5 at most?
 
This season out of 5 we've now had maybe 1.5 good performances (i.e. vs Perth where I am being generous saying the whole game was good, and vs Brisbane in 2nd half) - it is simply not enough to make an impact in the league!
 
As I have said, I think the squad is strong enough to do better, but I do not believe Ricki has what it takes to progress things further.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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i really don't know why some of you think we played well.

the fact of the matter is - WE DID NOT !

it was a very poor effort.

midfield especially.
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mjp2, have a look at his description on the half.  I'd accept what he was saying if we'd conceded three or four bad goals, but it's just so over the top in my mind.  It's a really line

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james dean wrote:
mjp2, have a look at his description on the half.  I'd accept what he was saying if we'd conceded three or four bad goals, but it's just so over the top in my mind.  It's a really line
 
Are you talking about my description of the half?
 
Come on - we have now conceded in every one of our 5 games this season - do you really think this is good enough?
 
Worryingly, a defence that cannot keep a clean sheet is the least of our worries, once again, just like last season, it is a total lack of creativity and invention up front that is our undoing.
 
Greenacre was completely isolated AGAIN in the 2nd half - we should've been flooding forward to support him but nobody was anywhere to be seen!!
 
Playing Greenacre as a lone striker is a mistake that Herbert is now making every single week - IT DOESN'T WORK!!!
Steve-O2009-09-04 23:57:28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Steve-O wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
So Steve-o, crunch time.  Back up all your inane ramblings with something concrete.  Who should replace Ricki.  Don't just say "anyone", tell us your well thought out opinions on coaches who are available, affordable and better than Ricki.[/QUOTE]
 
Sorry, but my opinion is that Ricki is NOT GOOD ENOUGH to do the job. It is not my job to find his replacement.
 
 
But if there is no one better to replace him with, it is stupid beyond belief to replace him.
 
[QUOTE=Steve-O]I have seen your argument put forward before, and I'd like to give an example of why it is flawed, if I may.
 
Hibs, about 5 years ago were in a similar situation - playing badly, but managing to 'consolidate' around 6th-8th in the SPL. Bobby Williamson was the manager. I personally thought the guy was a joke and never had a clue and I wanted him to go. People kind of agreed but "who else can we get?" was the question I was asked several times. Of course, I had no idea who would want the job, who was available etc etc. However, eventually the tube got another job offer (who knows how) and left much to the delight of most fans. In came Tony Mowbray (now Celtic manager) completely out of left field as he had not been a manager before - in his first season we finished 3rd in the league, and his 2nd season we finished 4th - crowds were up, season ticket sales were up, attacking football was on the menu, and the general feel-good factor was all around for all to see.
 
The point of all the above is that just because there is nobody staring us in the face who could take over, does NOT mean that there is NOBODY out there who could do better than Ricki. I refuse to believe there are NO managers in the world (and in the Phoenix price range) who could do better!
 
I'd like to give you an example as to why your arguement is flawed.
 
Newcastle were doing ok with Fat Sam - consolidated in mid table, etc.  Then they sacked him because the crowd thought he wasn't good enough.  Know the rest of the story?

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Steve-O wrote:
james dean wrote:
Anyway back to it steve- o, are there any of the other A-League coaches that you'd prefer?
 
I ask this because I think that Ricki is the equal of other coaches in the league.  I'm not saying that he's the best coach in thw world but I think he's good enough to get good performances out of this group of players, and he has doe in the past.  Of course I want us to play scintillating attacking football every week, but that's not really the nature of the league.
 
You blame every result on failed tactics, but the fact is that some of what happens is just poor performances byt the players, not everything can come back to the coach
 
james - my problem is that these good performances are far too few and far between if we are to do anything in the league.
 
Lets be completely honest - how many really good performances were there last season? Maybe 4 or 5 at most?
 
This season out of 5 we've now had maybe 1.5 good performances (i.e. vs Perth where I am being generous saying the whole game was good, and vs Brisbane in 2nd half) - it is simply not enough to make an impact in the league!
 
As I have said, I think the squad is strong enough to do better, but I do not believe Ricki has what it takes to progress things further.
 
Yes, but in a league like this (salary cap) where generally the sides are relatively even you are always going to have good and bad weeks.  Every week is compettive, there aren't any easy sides to beat, it's always competitive and everyone will fancy a result.  You don't have those easy 3 point matches where you get to feel good, stroke it around and generally take the proverbial.  Yes, we should have got 3 points today but hand on heart how much of that was down to bad finishing and how much was  down to coaching and tactics??
 
As evidence there is no side in the league who has out in 4 or 5 matches this season that they would be happy with!!
james dean2009-09-05 00:01:30

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mjp2 wrote:
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load of bollocks JD
We were playing a team missing six players thru injury and suspension and struggling at second to last and your level of aspiration is that we don't concede? That was a bloody ordinary second half and we were the second best side in it.
Yep. We had our chances and didn't take them.
Very lame to be happy with not conceding in the second half.
The same attitude that will be happy with a brave effort to finish 7th.
Total lack of inspiration and expectation.
Come on, expect more from your team.
Lack of inspiration from Ricki is very uninspiring.
Where theres Ifill theres hope.
 
 
 
auskiwi2009-09-05 00:04:51
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auskiwi, that's not what I'm saying.  What I am saying is that his description of the second half as complete and absolute piss is way over the top

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Frankie Mac wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
So Steve-o, crunch time.  Back up all your inane ramblings with something concrete.  Who should replace Ricki.  Don't just say "anyone", tell us your well thought out opinions on coaches who are available, affordable and better than Ricki.[/QUOTE]
 
Sorry, but my opinion is that Ricki is NOT GOOD ENOUGH to do the job. It is not my job to find his replacement.
 
 
But if there is no one better to replace him with, it is stupid beyond belief to replace him.
 
[QUOTE=Steve-O]I have seen your argument put forward before, and I'd like to give an example of why it is flawed, if I may.
 
Hibs, about 5 years ago were in a similar situation - playing badly, but managing to 'consolidate' around 6th-8th in the SPL. Bobby Williamson was the manager. I personally thought the guy was a joke and never had a clue and I wanted him to go. People kind of agreed but "who else can we get?" was the question I was asked several times. Of course, I had no idea who would want the job, who was available etc etc. However, eventually the tube got another job offer (who knows how) and left much to the delight of most fans. In came Tony Mowbray (now Celtic manager) completely out of left field as he had not been a manager before - in his first season we finished 3rd in the league, and his 2nd season we finished 4th - crowds were up, season ticket sales were up, attacking football was on the menu, and the general feel-good factor was all around for all to see.
 
The point of all the above is that just because there is nobody staring us in the face who could take over, does NOT mean that there is NOBODY out there who could do better than Ricki. I refuse to believe there are NO managers in the world (and in the Phoenix price range) who could do better!
 
I'd like to give you an example as to why your arguement is flawed.
 
Newcastle were doing ok with Fat Sam - consolidated in mid table, etc.  Then they sacked him because the crowd thought he wasn't good enough.  Know the rest of the story?
 
Weren't Newcastle in the bottom 3 when Allardyce was sacked? Every man and his dog could see he didn't have a clue at Newcastle - it's just unfortunate that the turmoil with Ashley etc meant that they didn't appoint the correct man to replace him!
 
How do you know there is nobody better to replace him? I have given an example to prove this argument for keeping someone on who can't do the job is flawed!
 
All you have given me is an example of someone who couldn't do the job being replaced by someone else who couldn't do the job!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Do you not feel that it's a bit alarmist to be calling for the coaches head though after 5 games in which we've won one and drawn two, the same as 4 other teams?

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auskiwi wrote:
mjp2 wrote:
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load of bollocks JD
We were playing a team missing six players thru injury and suspension and struggling at second to last and your level of aspiration is that we don't concede? That was a bloody ordinary second half and we were the second best side in it.
Yep. We had our chances and didn't take them.
Very lame to be happy with not conceding in the second half.
The same attitude that will be happy with a brave effort to finish 7th.
Total lack of inspiration and expectation.
Come on, expect more from your team, not another .
Lack of inspiration from Ricki is very uninspiring.
Where theres Ifill theres hope.
 
 
 
 
I honestly would be happy with a brave effort to finish 7th.  After all the sh*t the NZ football has dished up in the past, I see the Phoenix taking baby steps (last in first season, not last in second and third season, top 6 in fourth season, etc) as a tremendous success.

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Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
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And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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I think there are examples of both maybe?

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Of course there are - that's why using the hibs example as a reason to replace ricki is pretty pointless.  Sepcifics don't illustrate the rule
 
Steve-o, I'm no sam allardyce fan but to be fair to the guy he did a great job at Bolton and did very well at Blackburn after taking over as well

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james dean wrote:
mjp2, have a look at his description on the half.  I'd accept what he was saying if we'd conceded three or four bad goals, but it's just so over the top in my mind.  It's a really line

I did - he said "Second half = absolute and utter piss."  For a team looking for a win at home against a side missing six players and second to last, why that description is maybe just about right.  If you think playing for a draw in that situation was fine, then the second half was OK.

But we digress - I don't claim that Ricki should go, but I don't think that was a very good performance against a poor side.  I do wonder why the heck he played Bertos central, leading to Leo's worst game.  I don't understand the lack of agression and lack of players in the box on our corners.  I don't think Greenacre operating alone up front is working.  I don't think we defend corners with a lot of good organisation.  That goal seemed to be pretty inept marking.  Those are all coaching issues, as I humbly see it, albeit I'm no soccer einstein, so while Steve-O might be a bit dramatic about it there seems to be at least some argument to be concerned about with how Ricki has the side playing.  Still, five games out of 27 so time to turn it around if he's got the coaching goods.
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james dean wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
james dean wrote:
Anyway back to it steve- o, are there any of the other A-League coaches that you'd prefer?
 
I ask this because I think that Ricki is the equal of other coaches in the league.  I'm not saying that he's the best coach in thw world but I think he's good enough to get good performances out of this group of players, and he has doe in the past.  Of course I want us to play scintillating attacking football every week, but that's not really the nature of the league.
 
You blame every result on failed tactics, but the fact is that some of what happens is just poor performances byt the players, not everything can come back to the coach
 
james - my problem is that these good performances are far too few and far between if we are to do anything in the league.
 
Lets be completely honest - how many really good performances were there last season? Maybe 4 or 5 at most?
 
This season out of 5 we've now had maybe 1.5 good performances (i.e. vs Perth where I am being generous saying the whole game was good, and vs Brisbane in 2nd half) - it is simply not enough to make an impact in the league!
 
As I have said, I think the squad is strong enough to do better, but I do not believe Ricki has what it takes to progress things further.
 
Yes, but in a league like this (salary cap) where generally the sides are relatively even you are always going to have good and bad weeks.  Every week is compettive, there aren't any easy sides to beat, it's always competitive and everyone will fancy a result.  You don't have those easy 3 point matches where you get to feel good, stroke it around and generally take the proverbial.  Yes, we should have got 3 points today but hand on heart how much of that was down to bad finishing and how much was  down to coaching and tactics??
 
As evidence there is no side in the league who has out in 4 or 5 matches this season that they would be happy with!!
 
James please, I think you are defending the indefensible here.
 
Brown missed a chance he should've buried, and the offside goal was a joke - other than that did we really have any other great chances?
 
Adelaide hit the post, and had that scramble at the end of the first half so they arguably had just as good chances as us.
 
I didn't expect tonight to be easy, but Adelaide were severely weakened, and I don't think we did anywhere NEAR enough to take advantage of this. I didn't go in thinking "3 points tonight, no probs" but after the first half where we looked not bad, the 2nd half was just absolutely woeful! We played like we were 3-0 up already and there was no real energy or desire to get forward and take the game to them until with 5 minutes to go, which as I say seemed to be the tactic in nearly every home game last season as well!
 
Once again I will say that I think we have squad that can do better than we did tonight.
 
1 up front at home is simply not acceptable, particularly when it has been proven time and time and time again that it does not work!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Steve-O wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
So Steve-o, crunch time.  Back up all your inane ramblings with something concrete.  Who should replace Ricki.  Don't just say "anyone", tell us your well thought out opinions on coaches who are available, affordable and better than Ricki.[/QUOTE]
 
Sorry, but my opinion is that Ricki is NOT GOOD ENOUGH to do the job. It is not my job to find his replacement.
 
 
But if there is no one better to replace him with, it is stupid beyond belief to replace him.
 
[QUOTE=Steve-O]I have seen your argument put forward before, and I'd like to give an example of why it is flawed, if I may.
 
Hibs, about 5 years ago were in a similar situation - playing badly, but managing to 'consolidate' around 6th-8th in the SPL. Bobby Williamson was the manager. I personally thought the guy was a joke and never had a clue and I wanted him to go. People kind of agreed but "who else can we get?" was the question I was asked several times. Of course, I had no idea who would want the job, who was available etc etc. However, eventually the tube got another job offer (who knows how) and left much to the delight of most fans. In came Tony Mowbray (now Celtic manager) completely out of left field as he had not been a manager before - in his first season we finished 3rd in the league, and his 2nd season we finished 4th - crowds were up, season ticket sales were up, attacking football was on the menu, and the general feel-good factor was all around for all to see.
 
The point of all the above is that just because there is nobody staring us in the face who could take over, does NOT mean that there is NOBODY out there who could do better than Ricki. I refuse to believe there are NO managers in the world (and in the Phoenix price range) who could do better!
 
I'd like to give you an example as to why your arguement is flawed.
 
Newcastle were doing ok with Fat Sam - consolidated in mid table, etc.  Then they sacked him because the crowd thought he wasn't good enough.  Know the rest of the story?
 
Weren't Newcastle in the bottom 3 when Allardyce was sacked? Every man and his dog could see he didn't have a clue at Newcastle - it's just unfortunate that the turmoil with Ashley etc meant that they didn't appoint the correct man to replace him!
 
How do you know there is nobody better to replace him? I have given an example to prove this argument for keeping someone on who can't do the job is flawed!
 
All you have given me is an example of someone who couldn't do the job being replaced by someone else who couldn't do the job!
 
Newcastle were about 12th when he was sacked.  When they replaced him with someone else who could not do the job they went from a team that was mid-table (and always going to finish mid table) to a team that was relegated.
 
I don't know that there is no one better to replace him, but I assume that Terry is trying to do what is best for the club, and he cannot see anyone who can do a better job than Ricki.  After all he has done for the club,  I think he deserves us respecting his judgement.
 
All I did was give an example of someone who could do the job being replaced with someone else who couldn't, in the same way that you just gave an example of someone who couldn't do a job being replaced by someonre who could.  If we really wanted to have a pissing contest, I am sure that we could continue to provide examples like this all day (or night).  Point being, you tried to use your example as a reason my arguement is flawed, so I did likewise with yours.

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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james dean wrote:
auskiwi, that's not what I'm saying.  What I am saying is that his description of the second half as complete and absolute piss is way over the top
Would have to agree with that.
We did have our chances when in the moments we played football. Other times weren't so flash
Ifil'sl a class above but if Adelaide were at full strength we would have been done.
 
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Who was in the dressing room and Heard Ricki say "Hey lets be real defensive this second half and play for a draw" Now i am just guessing, but i highly doubt Ricki would have said lest play for a draw.

I didn't think it was that bad. If Ifill had scored then everyone would be talking about a well deserved win. 

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I think the problem is that we don't have the central midfield to play 2 up front, or at least that is the concern.  We can't dominate there with only 2 in so we play an extra to try and gain some level of control
 
Yes, of course we can do better.  But we didn't win a game until round 6 last year, we've recruited two quality players who are scoring goals, excuse me if I'm not kicking the ladder out just yet

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
james dean wrote:
Do you not feel that it's a bit alarmist to be calling for the coaches head though after 5 games in which we've won one and drawn two, the same as 4 other teams?
 
No because I am not basing my opinion on just these 5 games, I am basing it on the 30 odd games I have seen Phoenix play since I got to NZ.
 
Tonight's performance was just like last season all over again and last season was not good enough.
 
The teams that were poor last season are now up near the top of the league, whilst the teams that were up near the top are now down near the bottom - only Phoenix seemed to have remained static, ironically whilst IMO improving the playing squad!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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