over 10 years ago· edited over 10 years ago· History
First off, hi, long time Nix and All Whites supporter from England (thank you football manager).
So yeah, what's up with our continental situation? Is there any new news over there with you guys? I find it increasingly odd the situation hasn't at least been addressed considering how well we did last season. With this and the current license hurdle you've gotta wonder what we can truly offer overseas players. I mean I for one kinda balk at going for longer than a season as the Nix on FM now because I just can't go anywhere with them. It can't be beyond the realm of possibility to get us into the O-League can it? It'd be better than nothing even if it would probably just be us against Auckland in the final every year.
Phoenix Participation in AFC Champions League - FIFA Would Okay It:
If the Asian and Oceania Football Confederations agree to it, then there is no doubt FIFA will allow the Phoenix to compete in the AFC Champions League.
FIFA allows teams from one Confederation can play in the continental tournament of another Confederation as long as both Confederations involved agree to it.
Mexican teams from CONCACAF have competed in CONMEBOL's (South America's) continental club tournament the Copa Libertadores, since 1998.
This leads to the anomaly that Mexican sides are eligible to win both their own confederation's club tournament, the CONCACAF Champions League, as well as the South American club championship, the Copa Libertadores.
Unless there is a regulation to forbid it that I haven't seen, this means that two Mexican clubs could compete at the FIFA Club World Cup, as Copa Libertadores and CONCACAF champions.
If the AFC and OFC agreed to it (and OFC would have no reason not to - AFC, who knows?) then similarly two NZ sides could compete in the FIFA Club World Cup, as AFC and OFC champions.
NOTE: This year the Copa Libertadores has expanded to 47 teams and runs for ten months from January 23. On 18 November 2016, the Liga MX president Enrique Bonilla announced that teams from Mexico will not participate in the 2017 Copa Libertadores due to the format change which put it in conflict with the Mexican league schedule. However, he left open the possibility of a return as soon as 2018 if a solution is found.
Phoenix Participation in AFC Champions League - FIFA Would Okay It:
If the Asian and Oceania Football Confederations agree to it, then there is no doubt FIFA will allow the Phoenix to compete in the AFC Champions League.
FIFA allows teams from one Confederation can play in the continental tournament of another Confederation as long as both Confederations involved agree to it.
Mexican teams from CONCACAF have competed in CONMEBOL's (South America's) continental club tournament the Copa Libertadores, since 1998.
This leads to the anomaly that Mexican sides are eligible to win both their own confederation's club tournament, the CONCACAF Champions League, as well as the South American club championship, the Copa Libertadores.
Unless there is a regulation to forbid it that I haven't seen, this means that two Mexican clubs could compete at the FIFA Club World Cup, as Copa Libertadores and CONCACAF champions.
If the AFC and OFC agreed to it (and OFC would have no reason not to - AFC, who knows?) then similarly two NZ sides could compete in the FIFA Club World Cup, as AFC and OFC champions.
NOTE: This year the Copa Libertadores has expanded to 47 teams and runs for ten months from January 23. On 18 November 2016, the Liga MX president Enrique Bonilla announced that teams from Mexico will not participate in the 2017 Copa Libertadores due to the format change which put it in conflict with the Mexican league schedule. However, he left open the possibility of a return as soon as 2018 if a solution is found.
Wellington Phoenix vs Auckland City FC at the November world club finals in Tokyo... I would fly to watch it.
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
I think all of us would be stoked to be able to have NZFC say that to FIFA, I dont for a second believe they'd care but it would make a great story. I think the FFA and AFC are holding on to the hope/knowledge that they'll never have to make that call because we'll never win it.
Thought I’d dig up this dusty old thread following a new rumour emerging on Twitter: IMG_7886.jpeg93.61 KBIf this is true, we would be able to qualify for the Club World Cup, opening up an insane $50m+ potential revenue stream.
If there’s any chance at all of this being true, Welnix better be pushing hard to make it happen.
I guess the one positive about have AFC playing like they are and leading the comp is that the conversation might just arise again. Should AFC win the league and the finals series sometime soon then you can guarantee Foley and co will be asking why they can't be allowed to gain access to the next tier competition, be it AFC or OFC champs.
about 1 year ago· edited about 1 year ago· History
theprof
I guess the one positive about have AFC playing like they are and leading the comp is that the conversation might just arise again. Should AFC win the league and the finals series sometime soon then you can guarantee Foley and co will be asking why they can't be allowed to gain access to the next tier competition, be it AFC or OFC champs.
It has this to say about continental qualification: AFC Champions League Qualification
A-League teams can qualify for the AFC Champions League, Asia’s top club competition. Usually, the Premiers and Champions earn spots to compete on the Asian stage.
- So it seems they are telling their fans they can qualify
about 1 year ago· edited about 1 year ago· History
theprof
I guess the one positive about have AFC playing like they are and leading the comp is that the conversation might just arise again. Should AFC win the league and the finals series sometime soon then you can guarantee Foley and co will be asking why they can't be allowed to gain access to the next tier competition, be it AFC or OFC champs.
Doubt above tweet has anything to do with the Estonians atop the ALM. It's the Nix and Auckland to enter the OFC Champions League not AFC version.
Seems all a byproduct of the the 2 NZ ALM clubs rumoured to be having some possible involvement in the new OFC Professional League. Likely their reserve teams.
Thought I’d dig up this dusty old thread following a new rumour emerging on Twitter: IMG_7886.jpeg93.61 KBIf this is true, we would be able to qualify for the Club World Cup, opening up an insane $50m+ potential revenue stream.
If there’s any chance at all of this being true, Welnix better be pushing hard to make it happen.
I ain't gunna lie, that twitter thread took a wild left turn. 😂
Thought I’d dig up this dusty old thread following a new rumour emerging on Twitter: IMG_7886.jpeg93.61 KBIf this is true, we would be able to qualify for the Club World Cup, opening up an insane $50m+ potential revenue stream.
If there’s any chance at all of this being true, Welnix better be pushing hard to make it happen.
I ain't gunna lie, that twitter thread took a wild left turn. 😂
Thought I’d dig up this dusty old thread following a new rumour emerging on Twitter: IMG_7886.jpeg93.61 KBIf this is true, we would be able to qualify for the Club World Cup, opening up an insane $50m+ potential revenue stream.
If there’s any chance at all of this being true, Welnix better be pushing hard to make it happen.
I really hate to be that guy but how trustworthy is he as a source?
But seriously tho that's really exciting if true, actually getting to watch the nix play continental football (albeit Oceania football) is basically a dream. I imagine some of the older fans are even more excited since y'all have been waiting nearly 2 decades to watch the nix play champions league!
Thought I’d dig up this dusty old thread following a new rumour emerging on Twitter: IMG_7886.jpeg93.61 KBIf this is true, we would be able to qualify for the Club World Cup, opening up an insane $50m+ potential revenue stream.
If there’s any chance at all of this being true, Welnix better be pushing hard to make it happen.
I really hate to be that guy but how trustworthy is he as a source?
But seriously tho that's really exciting if true, actually getting to watch the nix play continental football (albeit Oceania football) is basically a dream. I imagine some of the older fans are even more excited since y'all have been waiting nearly 2 decades to watch the nix play champions league!
Having seen the Dons play in europe multiple times (home and away), having "foreign" teams visit would be awesome. I don't get why the aussies don't care about the asian CL, it doesn't make sense to me as it breaks up the BAU league football. I'd be attending every home game possible, especially since they'd be midweek!
That would be amazing. Not sure if the other Oceania countries woild be happy. Their already small chance of winning the comp wpuld become zero. When is the Oceania CL played? Nix at World Club comp....yes please!
Actually its quite likely FIFA would support this kind of thing. The bald git in charge of FIFA has been very vocal about supporting Oceania. When he was here during the womens WC he flew up and visited some of the island nations. The Oceania confederation gets quite a lot of flack for being the weak child in the FIFA family. If FIFA wants to make changes they will crush any opposition from the Asian conf. Watch this space.
The idea does appeal but the logistics are just going to be crazy to try and sort out especially if games would be midweek with an A League game on the weekend. Can see the appeal being quickly lost if it has a negative effect on the A League team. Would imagine the players wouldnt be to rapt with some of their travel schedules if they are also in the A League Squad. Might be okay for Auckland with flights but would imagine it would be a nightmare for the Nix. Who picks up travel and accommodation costs if its the club cant see Welnix being that excited about it.
I looked Jamie up and I see that he's a Sky sports journo but he has a different twitter account. Unless this is an alt I wouldn't put too much weight on it personally.
Thought I’d dig up this dusty old thread following a new rumour emerging on Twitter: IMG_7886.jpeg93.61 KBIf this is true, we would be able to qualify for the Club World Cup, opening up an insane $50m+ potential revenue stream.
If there’s any chance at all of this being true, Welnix better be pushing hard to make it happen.
I really hate to be that guy but how trustworthy is he as a source?
But seriously tho that's really exciting if true, actually getting to watch the nix play continental football (albeit Oceania football) is basically a dream. I imagine some of the older fans are even more excited since y'all have been waiting nearly 2 decades to watch the nix play champions league!
Having seen the Dons play in europe multiple times (home and away), having "foreign" teams visit would be awesome. I don't get why the aussies don't care about the asian CL, it doesn't make sense to me as it breaks up the BAU league football. I'd be attending every home game possible, especially since they'd be midweek!
Again, assuming this is true, the current OFC CL format isn't like other Champions Leagues with midweek games. The current format is a one-off, centralised tournament. As is, there are three group stage games, semi, then final in about 10 days in one host venue around June/July. So could be that mid off-season there is a five-match tournament in Honiara/Port Vila etc. Allowing A League teams would be an overhaul, but still would be surprised if they left this format.
They also only currently have one team per member association qualify, so there is a national playoff to determine who (though NZF decided against this for the coming iteration). Maybe it will mean the A League teams play in this playoff against National League winner?
I looked Jamie up and I see that he's a Sky sports journo but he has a different twitter account. Unless this is an alt I wouldn't put too much weight on it personally.
Still I'd be stoked if it was true
Good source. Works with and knows a lot of people in and around the domestic scene here.
I still think there are a lot details that are missing or not immediately clear with all of this, so we're going to have to wait news from an official channel.
In saying that too, Carlin is right - It would have to come down to some sort of playoff to decide the entrant/s from NZ, as there is also no real scope for an expanded version of the OCL in any case.
I looked Jamie up and I see that he's a Sky sports journo but he has a different twitter account. Unless this is an alt I wouldn't put too much weight on it personally.
Still I'd be stoked if it was true
Good source. Works with and knows a lot of people in and around the domestic scene here.
I still think there are a lot details that are missing or not immediately clear with all of this, so we're going to have to wait news from an official channel.
In saying that too, Carlin is right - It would have to come down to some sort of playoff to decide the entrant/s from NZ, as there is also no real scope for an expanded version of the OCL in any case.
Chatham Cup winner vs National League winner (or runner up in case of a double) vs Nix vs AFC?
I looked Jamie up and I see that he's a Sky sports journo but he has a different twitter account. Unless this is an alt I wouldn't put too much weight on it personally.
Still I'd be stoked if it was true
Good source. Works with and knows a lot of people in and around the domestic scene here.
I still think there are a lot details that are missing or not immediately clear with all of this, so we're going to have to wait news from an official channel.
In saying that too, Carlin is right - It would have to come down to some sort of playoff to decide the entrant/s from NZ, as there is also no real scope for an expanded version of the OCL in any case.
Chatham Cup winner vs National League winner (or runner up in case of a double) vs Nix vs AFC?
Need to go the Canadian Championship route (fewer teams obviously).
Wellington Phoenix Auckland FC Northern League winner Central League winner Southern League winner Chatham Cup winner/Playoff place in case of same winner from either regional league.
Couple of scenarios Group stage of 3 teams; or Nix/AFC through to semi-final, with the other four clubs effectively playing a quarterfinal to decide who progresses.
Winner of course gets the golden ticket to the OCL.
Yes I have thought about this long before this rumour had even popped up. 😅
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You'd have to wonder why the other 10 full members of OFC (ecl NZ), would allow either the Nix or AFC to be allowed to enter the OFC Champions League.
I mean you would go from a situation where shamateur Auckland City have gone to the CWC/Intercontinental Cup about 80% of time, to the two professional NZ ALM clubs either or qualifying 100% of the time.
Surely having the ALM teams in the OCL as well as some of the new OFC Pro league teams would help improve quality of the competition tenfold.
IMO, it's better for the island nations to have the chance to play against the ALM teams every year than it is to have a small shot at going to a CWC once in blue moon. Maybe they or OFC are seeing it this way as well.
Reality is, the NZ ALMs sides will never be allowed into AFC competitions. This is the next best alternative so we should definitely be supportive of it
You'd have to think AUK and the PHX should have the right to join - since we can't join the AFC.
But in the short term this is going to be really rough for the OFC teams. Reducing the imports might help a bit. But the A-League teams will clean up if they take it seriously.
Maybe I support NZ football as a whole more than just being a Nix fanatic but I can't help thinking this would be having our cake and eating it.
We get the benefits of playing in a fully pro, decent quality AFC league, but also wants the benefits of an easy Club World Cup berth through the OFC route?
Imo the only clubs who should be representing OFC at FIFA club tournaments are clubs that play in OFC leagues throughout the year. And by that I mean their first team, not a reserve team. Before anyone suggests our reserve teams play to qualify - that would put immense pressure on young lads which is not at all what our reserve teams should be about.
Let the likes of Auckland City and Christchurch United push for that recognition - it's good for football in NZ if footballing opportunities are shared.
Thought I’d dig up this dusty old thread following a new rumour emerging on Twitter: IMG_7886.jpeg93.61 KBIf this is true, we would be able to qualify for the Club World Cup, opening up an insane $50m+ potential revenue stream.
If there’s any chance at all of this being true, Welnix better be pushing hard to make it happen.
I really hate to be that guy but how trustworthy is he as a source?
But seriously tho that's really exciting if true, actually getting to watch the nix play continental football (albeit Oceania football) is basically a dream. I imagine some of the older fans are even more excited since y'all have been waiting nearly 2 decades to watch the nix play champions league!
Having seen the Dons play in europe multiple times (home and away), having "foreign" teams visit would be awesome. I don't get why the aussies don't care about the asian CL, it doesn't make sense to me as it breaks up the BAU league football. I'd be attending every home game possible, especially since they'd be midweek!
They don't care about it because it's pretty boring to watch and matches are often midweek so the crowds are low and atmosphere pretty average. No real rivalries either between Aus and Asian teams. Not like Europe where you get massive continental rivalries.
But I would definitely still favour us having a chance to qualify for the AFC/OFC/whatever. Wouldn't complain at all.
Thought I’d dig up this dusty old thread following a new rumour emerging on Twitter: IMG_7886.jpeg93.61 KBIf this is true, we would be able to qualify for the Club World Cup, opening up an insane $50m+ potential revenue stream.
If there’s any chance at all of this being true, Welnix better be pushing hard to make it happen.
I really hate to be that guy but how trustworthy is he as a source?
But seriously tho that's really exciting if true, actually getting to watch the nix play continental football (albeit Oceania football) is basically a dream. I imagine some of the older fans are even more excited since y'all have been waiting nearly 2 decades to watch the nix play champions league!
Having seen the Dons play in europe multiple times (home and away), having "foreign" teams visit would be awesome. I don't get why the aussies don't care about the asian CL, it doesn't make sense to me as it breaks up the BAU league football. I'd be attending every home game possible, especially since they'd be midweek!
They don't care about it because it's pretty boring to watch and matches are often midweek so the crowds are low and atmosphere pretty average. No real rivalries either between Aus and Asian teams. Not like Europe where you get massive continental rivalries.
But I would definitely still favour us having a chance to qualify for the AFC/OFC/whatever. Wouldn't complain at all.
But that’s the thing, most of the time there is no rivalry, it’s a random team from a random country. It’s just nice seeing a different team. Sure the football isn’t always great, but I’ve never been bothered, it’s about being “in Europe” I.e, not playing domestic football and an adventure.
How the league interacts with the Aussie structure, particularly their up coming lower level football will be interesting. Will it lead to further Nix and AFC out talk if there’s a professional league in the OFC?
How the league interacts with the Aussie structure, particularly their up coming lower level football will be interesting. Will it lead to further Nix and AFC out talk if there’s a professional league in the OFC?
Doubt it. Hardly seems sustainable long-term so I can't see either of us leaving for it. Especially Auckland since they literally just arrived and still need to break even
How the league interacts with the Aussie structure, particularly their up coming lower level football will be interesting. Will it lead to further Nix and AFC out talk if there’s a professional league in the OFC?
Doubt it. Hardly seems sustainable long-term so I can't see either of us leaving for it. Especially Auckland since they literally just arrived and still need to break even
That and the A League needs NZ more then ever. Look at the piss weak crowds they are getting over there ATM. # metrics !
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Interesting seeing this play out at the same time as the Welsh clubs in the English system have tried (to no avail so far) to re-enter the Welsh league cup, with a view to qualifying for the Conference League. Not an exact parallel of course but an interesting comparison.
