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04 Nov 02:37 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
Why are we talking about pushing our players into coaching roles? Why do we not just hire legitimate coaches who specialise in that. Granted they are our players and we have attachments to them but pushing our ex players who have no coaching experience is very risky

Grumpy old bastard alert

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04 Nov 02:48 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
Greenie has Level 2 coaching badge and is working towards level 3 and given he has stated he would like to stay long term in a coaching role, probably a natural progression for him. Not sure about Warner though.
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04 Nov 12:21 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
Jeff Vader wrote:


Why are we talking about pushing our players into coaching roles? Why do we not just hire legitimate coaches who specialise in that. Granted they are our players and we have attachments to them but pushing�our ex players who have no coaching experience is very risky


A number of players tend to get coaching certs, so it's natural progression. We know Greenacre is looking at moving into coaching.

Not sure who we'd get as goalkeeper coach, but I think we need to have two solid goalkeepers, and I am just wondering if Paston is one of them.Ard Righ2011-11-05 01:22:11
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04 Nov 21:49 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
After last night, I wonder if Warner is one of them too.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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04 Nov 23:45 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
Looking at the squad, we have a chance to get some new blood in with so many off contract. Big question we face, is there the talent available to do that.

I wouldn't be surprised if Warner is the GK coach next season, so we will need another keeper. Paston would be a good option for the bench. Moss is off contract after this season, maybe make a play to get him back?

Going off the list on the Sydney FC forums, I think we should have a look at James Brown and Tommy Amphlett.

Brockie is also off contract, if Newcastle doesn't re-sign him, I cannot see another aussie team picking him up, so could land on our door step.
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05 Nov 01:24 · edited 09 Sep 06:28

i just hope ifill stays fit for the rest of the season that would be nice

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05 Nov 23:32 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
Ryan's Rovers wrote:
Looking at the squad, we have a chance to get some new blood in with so many off contract. Big question we face, is there the talent available to do that.

I wouldn't be surprised if Warner is the GK coach next season, so we will need another keeper. Paston would be a good option for the bench. Moss is off contract after this season, maybe make a play to get him back?

Going off the list on the Sydney FC forums, I think we should have a look at James Brown and Tommy Amphlett.

Brockie is also off contract, if Newcastle doesn't re-sign him, I cannot see another aussie team picking him up, so could land on our door step.
 
Warner goal keeper coach, could be wrong but where does him coaching come from, he has got badges??
 
James Brown would get picked up by other teams and Amphlett seems to be all pace?
 
Jeremy Brockie yes, he offers more then Leo so yes!!
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06 Nov 00:35 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
Ryan's Rovers wrote:
Looking at the squad, we have a chance to get some new blood in with so many off contract. Big question we face, is there the talent available to do that.

I wouldn't be surprised if Warner is the GK coach next season, so we will need another keeper. Paston would be a good option for the bench. Moss is off contract after this season, maybe make a play to get him back?

Going off the list on the Sydney FC forums, I think we should have a look at James Brown and Tommy Amphlett.

Brockie is also off contract, if Newcastle doesn't re-sign him, I cannot see another aussie team picking him up, so could land on our door step.

Surely Brockie on current form would have several teams interested ?

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06 Nov 01:20 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
Kiwi Jambo wrote:

Ryan's Rovers wrote:
Looking at the squad, we have a chance to get some new blood in with so many off contract. Big question we face, is there the talent available to do that.I wouldn't be surprised if Warner is the GK coach next season, so we will need another keeper. Paston would be a good option for the bench. Moss is off contract after this season, maybe make a play to get him back?Going off the list on the Sydney FC forums, I think we should have a look at James Brown and Tommy Amphlett.Brockie is also off contract, if Newcastle doesn't re-sign him, I cannot see another aussie team picking him up, so could land on our door step.

Surely Brockie on current form would have several teams interested ?


But doesn't he and Ricki have beef? Brockie was the All Whites best player in the Honduras game in Auckland and his current form suggests he would be a very ideal pickup.
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06 Nov 02:52 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
I think it is fair to say in the past 12 months he has had it all over bertos

of the current crop off contract I would take ifill, manny, sanchez and Lia but the rest frankly need to prove themselves.

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16 Nov 18:21 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
ifill in negotitations. Wonder if they need to put some sort of appearances clause into his contract


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16 Nov 19:52 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
I hope we do make the offer Ifill needs to hear, shouldn't be too tough he's said he loves it here, his family is settled - give him what he wants, get him into the coaching and let him retire here a hero!

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17 Nov 03:22 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
hes on darcy's show about 4:50pm
 
 
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06 Jan 20:47 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
Thought we should have a place on the forum where we can keep track of current contract expiries for Nix players. This seemed an appropriate place:

EXPIRES END OF 2011/12:

Alex SMITH (f)*

Manny MUSCAT
Nick WARD ?
Mark PASTON
Tony WARNER (f)
Tony LOCHHEAD
Chris GREENACRE (f)
Vince LIA
DANIEL
Dani SANCHEZ (f)
Cameron LINDSAY (u21)
Brent GRIFFITHS (u21)
Niko TSATTALIOS (u21)

EXPIRES END OF 2012/13:

Tim BROWN
Leo BERTOS
Lucas PANTELIS
Mirjan PAVLOVIC
Ben SigmUnd
Jimmy DOWNEY

EXPIRES END OF 2013/14:

Paul IFILL (f)

EXPIRES END OF 2014/15:

Andrew DURANTE

* Smith is injury cover for Pantelis so technically not contracted to the end of the season.
Wibblebutt2012-01-07 10:37:51



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06 Jan 21:34 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
Great news to hear manny is close to re-signing as well as Sanchez.

The rest on that list look like they will either have no other preference, or I wouldnt mind them going.


Think Lochhead, Paston & Daniel will be onboard again, cant see them going anywhere else.

Think Lia and Ward's futures may be a little less easy to predict, would have them, but dont mind if they can find better options, they arent as key- however both are younger than the majority of the squad so could be nice.

And then there is greeny and warner who both could hang up the boots(gloves) if they want, so we will have to wait and see what happens.


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06 Jan 21:41 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
Daniel has a new lease of life this season. Would like to see him retained. Lochhead also is an important cog in our machine - hard to find decent left backs.

Can't see Warner staying on as the foreign quota reduces to 4 next season.



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06 Jan 22:15 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
When I started the thread, I wouldn't have re-signed Daniel. It seemed a bit of a waste signing players to be squad players. Since then, his performances have been impressive. If he keeps them up, we should keep him for at least another season.
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06 Jan 22:33 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
Ryan's Rovers wrote:
When I started the thread, I wouldn't have re-signed Daniel. It seemed a bit of a waste signing players to be squad players. Since then, his performances have been impressive. If he keeps them up, we should keep him for at least another season.

I agree
Don't think his body handles playing every week as well as it used to but he can still play, provides great assists, is local now (to us and not Aussies? as a Kiwi?)probably doesn't cost that much either.
Fan favorite and all that, kids love him.
I'd keep him on even if he gets pushed out of the match day squad he's a great squad player.

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06 Jan 22:39 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
He has been at the heart of our creative pressure for the last month, with goals, chances and A LOT of assists. Daniel is playing his heart out.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


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06 Jan 23:18 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
Yeah completely agree with the Daniel sentiment, I thought we had to be a bit more ambitious and drop guys like him who just warm the bench, but he is doing great, experienced and reliable, gotta keep him on for sure


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06 Jan 23:34 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
I would not call it a new lease of life, it's just that he's actually playing. When given a run, Daniel tends to make an impact.
You know we belong together...

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06 Jan 23:39 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
Alex SMITH (f)*

Manny MUSCAT
Nick WARD ?
Mark PASTON
Tony WARNER (f)
Tony LOCHHEAD
Chris GREENACRE (f)
Vince LIA
DANIEL
Dani SANCHEZ (f)
Cameron LINDSAY (u21)
Brent GRIFFITHS (u21)
Niko TSATTALIOS (u21)

Muscat, Ward, Pasty, Lochhead, Daniel, Sanchez definately. Smith maybe, would prefer a striker TBH.

Lindsay is the player who needs the reserves to get up and running more than anyone.
You know we belong together...

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07 Jan 00:45 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
Oska wrote:
I would not call it a new lease of life, it's just that he's actually playing. When given a run, Daniel tends to make an impact.
 
Totally agree, people tend to forget Daniel is a player that builds into a rhythm by playing....
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07 Jan 01:18 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
Hope to see Manny and Sanchez retained.

Next year would like to see Ifill, Sanchez, Smith + new Gun striker as imports. With greenacre/warner dropping off into coaching/wherever lol.
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07 Jan 02:40 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
I wonder what will happen to Mark Paston. Do we sign him for another year?
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07 Jan 03:54 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
Yes

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07 Jan 04:05 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
Depends if nix are up to date with their ACC levies...
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07 Jan 04:41 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
Luis Garcia wrote:
I wonder what will happen to Mark Paston. Do we sign him for another year?
To be honest for nix to continue at a high std we should be able to retain 6 overseas players or we will become an ozzy team. Keep warner and greenacre as players. Nz can not develop players at the same rate as is available to an ozzy team.

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07 Jan 04:46 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
Why not?

With one team, a population of 4 million, and our youth teams doing better than Australian ones there is no reason we shouldn't be developing better than the Australian sides.  It's one of the sad indictments on the NZ sides in Aus (and NZF) that they have failed to do this.

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07 Jan 05:10 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
You are rignt why not. But we have not supported the development of pllayers correctly for toomany years. How we fix it is not     for u$ but NZF.

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07 Jan 05:14 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
Hard News wrote:
Why not?

With one team, a population of 4 million, and our youth teams doing better than Australian ones there is no reason we shouldn't be developing better than the Australian sides.  It's one of the sad indictments on the NZ sides in Aus (and NZF) that they have failed to do this.
 
 
I've been thinking along the same lines. The rest of the A league is tied up with their identity being around one city or area. At the mo we are the only team, a pretty impressive one at that, sole representative of the A league for New Zealand.
 
Sort out a reserve and also a youth team and add the unique sporting nature of NZ and you are on to a winner. 

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07 Jan 05:35 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
I believe the ten will take control and guide us in the right direction but we must be patiant and bellieve

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07 Jan 05:37 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
Pretty clear that Muscat and Sanchez are our main priorities at this stage.

Going to be hard for NZ players to be taken by Australian clubs as they would take up one of the foreign slots?

For me Warner is a guy to go - not because he is good or no good - as we shouldn't really be using a foreign slot on a keeper. Greenie (as a player) I am not fully sure about either as he may call it a day soon.
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07 Jan 05:44 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
I dont think ozzy payers take os spots so kiwis in oz dont appear on lists i have seen as os players Ui. MaYyouy be wrong.

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07 Jan 06:15 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
Blew.2 wrote:
I believe the ten will take control and guide us in the right direction but we must be patiant and bellieve


we have 10 owners now?


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07 Jan 06:22 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
George Kostanza wrote:
Blew.2 wrote:
I believe the ten will take control and guide us in the right direction but we must be patiant and bellieve


we have 10 owners now?


yes 3 mystory

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07 Jan 06:29 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
Blew.2 wrote:
I dont think ozzy payers take os spots so kiwis in oz dont appear on lists i have seen as os players Ui. MaYyouy be wrong.


Yes kiwis do take foreign spots but many of the kiwis playing in the A-League hold Aussie passports: (Smeltz, Moss).

McGlinchey and Brockie would be foreigners though.



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07 Jan 06:35 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
Thanks for clearing that up. Now I understand why some do not appear in list and brockie looking for ozzzy citizen ship.
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07 Jan 06:40 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
So the Oz players in nix take overseas spots.

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07 Jan 06:56 · edited 09 Sep 06:28
No, for the Nix Australians and Kiwis are considered local players. But all the other A-League teams kiwis are import spots.
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