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Daniel - 100 not out

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
If you play Daniel in the All Whites then you take time from rising talent on the flanks ala Rojas and Kosta who arguable could contribute more (and I think Ricki sees Brockie as a right flank too) Nice to see him in the All Whites but I wouldn't be heart broken if it did not happen

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
You'd have to have him in a squad though he clearly wouldn't be in a first Xl if we had everyone fit and available... of course, we're lucky thats usually the case when the AW's play.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Daniel in the centre mids? with McG? That might work out ok right?

Recombining with Smeltz, and getting to aim at Wood, Killen, Fallon, Kosta or Brockie?martinb2012-01-12 16:35:22


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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Daniel has got a lot to offer the Nix and the AW's, he just gets on with his job unasumming and some younger aspiring AW's could learn a thing or two about not throwing your toys when being subbed off and respecting your coaches decisions professionally even if you are dissapointed with the call.
Also you would hope his patience might rub off on others
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
daniel could be a useful addition to the AWs as we lack a left footed creator, but i'm just not sure that he's better than what we have

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I would have Daniel for his ability to move the ball, and I would say his quality of crosses into the box would be better than the likes of Bertos and Brockie.

Also saves Lochy having to do all the work on the left, or playing someone on the left who prefers playing the other side.

And Lil Mac and Daniel passing the ball would be good to seeArd Righ2012-01-13 10:24:05
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah but in future All Whites teams, you tell me where Daniel fits in amongst this lot. And before you say drop Brown, he will be the captain and he will be the 'ball winner' as McG will be the creative force. We can't have a team of attackers.
 
                  Moss
        Reid   SigmUnd        Smith
Kosta    Brown      McG          Rojas
         Wood       Killen       Smeltz

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
That's our first team though Jeff.
 
Daniel could be a very squad valuable player during Oceania qualifying when some of our bigger stars can't or won't return to NZ.
 

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
terminator_x wrote:
That's our first team though Jeff.
 
Daniel could be a very squad valuable player during Oceania qualifying when some of our bigger stars can't or won't return to NZ.
 
 
I am just not so sure... Daniel is a 32 year old bench player for us who might have 1 maybe two more seasons in him, perhaps 3 at the outside. While he may make the ocassional contribution at an International level, I would much rather see that spot being given to another younger player. Yes Daniel has experience, but is that something we are really lacking?
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
terminator_x wrote:
That's our first team though Jeff.
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Daniel could be a very squad valuable player during Oceania qualifying when some of our bigger stars can't or won't return to NZ.

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And also we need subs. I still believe Daniel is one of the best bench starters i've seen. Especially when coming on in home matches. He fires up the team and the crowd.

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Off Topic
 
Lindsay to play for NZ before Daniel...........Lindsay to play for NZ before starting for the Nix ???
 
It seems the the way Ricki works !!
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
sthn.jeff wrote:
terminator_x wrote:
That's our first team though Jeff.
 
Daniel could be a very squad valuable player during Oceania qualifying when some of our bigger stars can't or won't return to NZ.
 
 
I am just not so sure... Daniel is a 32 year old bench player for us who might have 1 maybe two more seasons in him, perhaps 3 at the outside. While he may make the ocassional contribution at an International level, I would much rather see that spot being given to another younger player. Yes Daniel has experience, but is that something we are really lacking?
 
Round 2 of Oceania qualifying for Brazil 2014 is a tournament scheduled for 1-12 June 2012. NZ only has to make the top 4 to go to Round 3. I'm guessing some of our bigger stars will want to give that a miss.
 
Round 3 will be played home and away by the top 4 between 7 Sep 2012 and 26 Mar 2013. This period of time coincides with the A-League and European Leagues so players will be fit and in-form, but also more likely to be injured or unavailable.
 
I would have thought Daniel could play a handy role during both these periods. World Cup qualifying tournaments are not really the place to do too much blooding of young players whereas I think Daniel would look more than comfortable against Oceania opposition.
 
 
 
 

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
terminator_x wrote:
sthn.jeff wrote:
terminator_x wrote:
That's our first team though Jeff.
 
Daniel could be a very squad valuable player during Oceania qualifying when some of our bigger stars can't or won't return to NZ.
 
 
I am just not so sure... Daniel is a 32 year old bench player for us who might have 1 maybe two more seasons in him, perhaps 3 at the outside. While he may make the ocassional contribution at an International level, I would much rather see that spot being given to another younger player. Yes Daniel has experience, but is that something we are really lacking?
 
Round 2 of Oceania qualifying for Brazil 2014 is a tournament scheduled for 1-12 June 2012. NZ only has to make the top 4 to go to Round 3. I'm guessing some of our bigger stars will want to give that a miss.
 
Round 3 will be played home and away by the top 4 between 7 Sep 2012 and 26 Mar 2013. This period of time coincides with the A-League and European Leagues so players will be fit and in-form, but also more likely to be injured or unavailable.
 
I would have thought Daniel could play a handy role during both these periods. World Cup qualifying tournaments are not really the place to do too much blooding of young players whereas I think Daniel would look more than comfortable against Oceania opposition.
 
 
 
 
 
Possibly in the event of injuries / unavailability but all things being equal and us having option to pick best squad, I would still be unsure
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Agreed he would not make our best squad, but I'm pretty sure our first XI will not play in Round 2 at least. More likely an A-League/NZFC based squad.

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Even if he doesn't make our 1st XI, talk about him running about with McG are very much unlikely to happen. You also have on that bench Brockie, Fallon, Bertos (cause you know he will be around for a little bit longer) Lochhead (cause you know he will be around for a little bit longer) Boyens, Gleeson, Mulligan. I just don't think it is a sure thing like people talk about not to mention the ones he wanted like Keat, Boxall, Henderson and the ones on the periphery like Clapham, Peverly, Christie, Bright, Rowe...
 
And Daniel is 32. Granted he plays at a better level than some named but whats he going to be in WC2014? 34.5? If he plays (bearing in mind he is would be unlikely to go to a WC although it is in Brazil his home country) when is Ricki going to blood these other players he talks about developing for WC2014 if Daniel is taking a spot? I'm just being a realist. Love to see it but don't think it will happen.

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
terminator_x wrote:
Agreed he would not make our best squad, but I'm pretty sure our first XI will not play in Round 2 at least. More likely an A-League/NZFC based squad.
We got burnt once against Vanuatu. That should ensure we never take games like this being complacent again. Hekari went to CWC recently over more fancied sides so we should treat it seriously and play our best possible team. Granted not everyone is coming back but we shouldn't just be fielding a domestic squad. While the conditions are a leveler, the qualifiers are in Fiji in a hot climate and are unlikely to be at night making it and even playing field even more so.

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:
terminator_x wrote:
Agreed he would not make our best squad, but I'm pretty sure our first XI will not play in Round 2 at least. More likely an A-League/NZFC based squad.
We got burnt once against Vanuatu. That should ensure we never take games like this being complacent again. Hekari went to CWC recently over more fancied sides so we should treat it seriously and play our best possible team. Granted not everyone is coming back but we shouldn't just be fielding a domestic squad. While the conditions are a leveler, the qualifiers are in Fiji in a hot climate and are unlikely to be at night making it and even playing field even more so.
 
Thought they had been moved to NZ ??
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Rumoured to be.  Nothing confirmed yet.
 
Even more concering is the Olympic quals which are 8 weeks away still don't have a confirmed venue.  If they are here I reckon the ONC won't be.

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Olympic Qualifies in Wellington !!
 
              
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I have heard through the grapevine that it is easier to have them in Auckland because of the cost of flying the teams to NZ vs Fiji (most pass through NZ or AU to get to Fiji vs just one trip to NZ) and also the accommodation costs.
 
I can't remember if it was the countries complaining about the costs or OFC.

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:
Yeah but in future All Whites teams, you tell me where Daniel fits in amongst this lot. And before you say drop Brown, he will be the captain and he will be the 'ball winner' as McG will be the creative force. We can't�have a team of attackers.
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                  Moss

        Reid   SigmUnd        Smith

Kosta    Brown      McG       ï¿½ï¿½ Rojas

       ï¿½ Wood      Killen       Smeltz


But that is pretty much a team of attackers. That side would get destroyed by a half decent team.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Not sure if Smith is still up to it either

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:
Yeah but in future All Whites teams, you tell me where Daniel fits in amongst this lot. And before you say drop Brown, he will be the captain and he will be the 'ball winner' as McG will be the creative force. We can't have a team of attackers.
 

                  Moss

        Reid   SigmUnd        Smith

Kosta    Brown      McG          Rojas

         Wood      Killen       Smeltz


But that is pretty much a team of attackers. That side would get destroyed by a half decent team.

Totally, it lacks another strong midfielder to play their two in the middle (excluding McG). But on the other hand you know Ricki is going to pick that team...
Jeff Vader2012-01-13 23:11:58

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
Yeah but in future All Whites teams, you tell me where Daniel fits in amongst this lot. And before you say drop Brown, he will be the captain and he will be the 'ball winner' as McG will be the creative force. We can't have a team of attackers.
 

                  Moss

        Reid   SigmUnd        Smith

Kosta    Brown      McG          Rojas

         Wood      Killen       Smeltz


But that is pretty much a team of attackers. That side would get destroyed by a half decent team.

Totally, it lacks another strong midfielder to play their two in the middle (excluding McG). But on the other hand you know Ricki is going to pick that team...


I honestly don't think RH will pick the XI you've named there...bear in mind that the 'wide mids' are pretty much fullbacks  when we play. I don't see Kosta or Marco playing in those spots unless Ricki has a major change in footballing ideals.............


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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Lochie/Brockie/Leo?


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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
hamezilla wrote:


Not sure if Smith is still up to it either


Isn't he still only about 21? I agree that he hasn't looked flash this season but surely he's still one of our best defensive prospects.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
gings wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
Yeah but in future All Whites teams, you tell me where Daniel fits in amongst this lot. And before you say drop Brown, he will be the captain and he will be the 'ball winner' as McG will be the creative force. We can't have a team of attackers.
 

                  Moss

        Reid   SigmUnd        Smith

Kosta    Brown      McG          Rojas

         Wood      Killen       Smeltz


But that is pretty much a team of attackers. That side would get destroyed by a half decent team.

Totally, it lacks another strong midfielder to play their two in the middle (excluding McG). But on the other hand you know Ricki is going to pick that team...


I honestly don't think RH will pick the XI you've named there...bear in mind that the 'wide mids' are pretty much fullbacks  when we play. I don't see Kosta or Marco playing in those spots unless Ricki has a major change in footballing ideals.............

True but the alternatives are Bertos and Lochhead. Lochhead is not a winger and Bertos is not a defender...

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
ShowUsYaNix wrote:
hamezilla wrote:


Not sure if Smith is still up to it either


Isn't he still only about 21? I agree that he hasn't looked flash this season but surely he's still one of our best defensive prospects.

And a damn sight more stable than Boyens *shudder*

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think I must be the only one whom is not impressed with Brockie. I honestly dont think he has lived up to the potential he displayed as a teenager. I think he is flattering to deceive myself.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Smith>Boyens but Brockie is another story.I actually think he is going to develop into a top footballer

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Definitely can't agree with you there LG. In fact Brockie has gone from strength to strength in the last few seasons. Spectacular goals don't mean everything but not only has he scored some absolute beauties his general play has improved out of sight since he first reappeared in Nth Queensland for the defunct Fury.
 
IMO many footballers don't reach their peak until 27-28 years old.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
ShowUsYaNix wrote:
hamezilla wrote:


Not sure if Smith is still up to it either


Isn't he still only about 21? I agree that he hasn't looked flash this season but surely he's still one of our best defensive prospects.


Yup he is 21 and a prick
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
StopOut wrote:
Definitely can't agree with you there LG. In fact�Brockie has gone from strength to strength in the last few seasons. Spectacular goals don't mean everything but not only has he scored some absolute beauties his general play has improved out of sight since he first reappeared in Nth Queensland for the defunct Fury.
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IMO many footballers don't reach their peak until 27-28 years old.


His general play has been sh*te in the last few games.

Agreed that he has improved, though. Think that was a just a blip.

He is kinda like the Kiwi Santalab/Barbiero sometimes thoughvaleo2012-01-14 19:56:29

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Lonegunmen wrote:
Except the person whom matters the most - Ricki. As for Daniel playing for the All Whites. I'd like to see that but then again Ricki's decision and judging on how Daniel is getting selected for the Nix, I can see that been doubtful to be honest. Shame as Daniel has a lot to offer, not just as a player but as an influence on younger All Whites. Experience, professionalism and abilities to pass on.


How he gets selected for the Nix may not necessarily harm any AW selection. Remember one called Mulligan?
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:

gings wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:


Jeff Vader wrote:
Yeah but in future All Whites teams, you tell me where Daniel fits in amongst this lot. And before you say drop Brown, he will be the captain and he will be the 'ball winner' as McG will be the creative force. We can't�have a team of attackers.
�

                  Moss

        Reid   SigmUnd        Smith

Kosta    Brown      McG       ï¿½ï¿½ Rojas

       ï¿½ Wood      Killen       Smeltz


But that is pretty much a team of attackers. That side would get destroyed by a half decent team.
Totally, it lacks another strong midfielder to play their two in the middle (excluding McG). But on the other hand you know Ricki is going to pick that team...

I honestly don't think RH will pick the XI you've named there...bear in mind that the 'wide mids' are pretty much fullbacks� when we play. I don't see Kosta or Marco playing in those spots unless Ricki has a major change in footballing ideals.............
True but the alternatives are Bertos and Lochhead. Lochhead is not a winger and Bertos is not a defender...


Bertos and Lochead are ricki's number 1 preferences as wingbacks when playing 3-4-3, i doubt that has changed. If that continues to be our formation then they will continue to be our wingbacks.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah I recognise that Paul but I honestly doubt that will be the case in 2 years time..

edit: I am also aware that it may not be Kosta and Marco. Perhaps one or the other but that depends on formation. You can't deny though there is merit to giving them a crack if the game in China is any indicator.
Jeff Vader2012-01-15 12:43:32

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
If we turn out a 3-4-3 in 2 years time i would expect bertos/lochhead to still be our fullbacks barring serious injury

ricki loves them, they'd both be 32, bertos' career seems destined for RB
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StopOut wrote:
Definitely can't agree with you there LG. In fact�Brockie has gone from strength to strength in the last few seasons. Spectacular goals don't mean everything but not only has he scored some absolute beauties his general play has improved out of sight since he first reappeared in Nth Queensland for the defunct Fury.
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IMO many footballers don't reach their peak until 27-28 years old.

I'd say Brockies looked pretty good but I frequently see Jets fans real pissed off saying that he's lazy as. Doesn't do any forward defending ect.
I'm not too sure as I haven't watched that many jets games but he done the striker business. I'd have him. He probably wants Aussie passport though... He's pretty close to it and then other A-league clubs might consider signing him, more competition if he does turn good.
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