I�m pretty sure that this is not going to be a popular post but here goes anyway��.
I�d like to talk about the chanting in the Yellow Fever section of the stadium, but before I do I�d like you to know that without a doubt the atmosphere at the Phoenix games far surpass any sporting atmosphere I�ve seen in NZ. However, it seems to me that a vast majority that sit in the Yellow Fever part of the stand are more intent on acting like a football fan than actually being a football fan. By this I mean there are a lot of people that sing and chant to create what they think is a great atmosphere, unfortunately without understanding the game they have absolutely no comprehension of the meaning of the chants. Here are a few examples of what I mean:
�Score in a minute, we�re gonna score in a minute� � in the rest of the football world this is a chant normally used when your team is completely dominating the game, have maybe hit the woodwork a couple of times and there is one way traffic on the park. Not in Wellington, we prefer to sing it 2 minutes into a game and it normally results in the Phoenix going one nil down.
�You�re sh*it and you know you are� � Again normally reserved for when you�re 2 or 3 up against a team that are struggling in the league. Not in Wellington, we like to do it when we�re third from bottom and drawing to the top of the table team (who go on to beat us).
�Forget the ball, break his legs� � Really? Come on, when has there been a game at the cake tin this season that has been agro enough to warrant this?
�We�ve got the best keeper in the league� � Not sure if you�ve noticed but we�ve conceded more goals than anyone else in the league, compare our leekage of 16 goals to the CCM of 5 and I know which keeper I�d rather have.
I guess what I�m trying to say is that crowd reaction is more spontaneous and appropriate when its reacting to something that�s happening on the pitch, not being orchestrated by some 16 year old wanna be hooligan with no clue about the game. In the end it makes the support for the Phoenix appear naive and uneducated. We have so many decent chants that support the team and don�t make us look like complete idiots, and there are always going to be games when we get to use the fun ones � think about it.
Oh yeah, and when are we going to stop giving the team a standing ovation regardless of what happens on the pitch, applauding the players off the park after a game like Sundays means that as fans we�re happy to support a team that defends like schoolboys and has less firepower up front than the average Sunday pub team.
Just one more point � Is it only me that thinks that impending arrival of David Beckham and the LA Galaxy Rangers Rovers United City County FC is turning football into a circus. I mean 24,000 turning out to see a performing seal. Not to mention that we�re putting a �double header� weekend of football right in the middle of our season, this is all about making a little Greek bloke a little richer.
Rant Over��
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Irony is a literary or rhetorical
device, in which there is a gap or incongruity between what a
speaker or a writer says and what is generally understood (either
at the time, or in the later context of history). Irony may also
arise from a discordance between acts and results, especially if it
is striking, and seen by an outside audience. Irony is understood
as an aesthetic evaluation
by an audience, which relies on a sharp discordance between the
real and the ideal, and which is variously applied to texts,
speech, events, acts, and even fashion. All the different senses of
irony revolve around the perceived notion of an incongruity, or a
gap between an understanding of reality, or expectation of a
reality, and what actually happens.
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You could look up patronising as well...
FFS.
FFS.
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Hey hardnews
I'm not even going to bother answering that, if you think my
comments are patronising you obviously have insecurities that make
my words seem like a personal attack.
I you think my points are not valid then please lets discuss,
that's what I thought forums were for (not feeling attacked if
someone isn't as blindly sycophantic as the rest)
danielsleftball2007-10-24 15:25:42
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I will clap the lads off the pitch for as long as I have arms.
Like a chocoholic but for booze
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I kind of see what you mean by irrelevant chanting..it has anoyed
me at times also. But what else are we meant to do? Stand there
silently? Any noise that can be made has got to be good.
Its better than singing "clap clap phoenix" all game
*shudders*
Allegedly
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you mentioned that everyone is uneducated about football. Could you
please give us an insight into your football education so we know
where you are coming from?
Founder
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So to summarise and review Danielsnut...
1. Several chants are only appropriate when we're 2 or 3
up?
2. Supporting the team who have just, heartbreakingly, lost in
injury time having battled well against one of the league's best
teams is out of order?
3. Trying to give our keeper a boost is unreasonable?
4. HN, CNUT, Frankie, Feverish, Sam and the others at the
heart of it are 16 year olds who aspire to be hooligans? (OK, there
is some merit in this...)
I think you're way off the mark. In fact, I think you're
a complete moron.
As someone has already pointed out, a couple of those chants
are meant with a smattering of irony. Supporting your team,
and your keeper, is just the thing to do. What would you have
us do? Storm off in a tizzy? Sit down? Boo like
the English do Frank Lampard? Give it a rest.
And lastly. Yes, it is only you that thinks the Beckham
game is a circus. If you don't want to come, don't come, but
don't berate the rest of us for coming.
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You're telling everyone else how to support their team and how they
are mis-using chants, and your tone suggests that you have
experienced this the world over.
Uneducated about football...
It's spectacularly patronising.
Uneducated about football...
It's spectacularly patronising.
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you mentioned that everyone is uneducated about football. Could you
please give us an insight into your football education so we know
where you are coming from?
Perhaps he's "the special one"?
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Read my post again and tell me where I've said you're
uneducated? What I've said is that some of the chanting makes
us appear to be eneducated as football supporters and what's being
chanted has absolutely no corelation to what's happening on the
pitch. At some points we may as well sing Happy Birthday.
I don't have to justify my knowledge of football (or percieved
lack there of) to anyone mate.
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unfortunately without understanding the game they have absolutely no comprehension of the meaning of the chants.
Sounds to me like you're saying we're uneducated?
Perhaps you should explain what you actually meant, and we can
judge respective levels of education from your explanation?
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Read my post again and tell me where I've said you're
uneducated? What I've said is that some of the chanting makes
us appear to be eneducated as football supporters and what's being
chanted has absolutely no corelation to what's happening on the
pitch. At some points we may as well sing Happy Birthday.
I don't have to justify my knowledge of football (or percieved
lack there of) to anyone mate.
are you John Chanter?
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One thing you don't take into account is the fact that most people
at the phoenix games are new to the whole football stadium
atmosphere. The fact that we make noise for 90 minutes is great.
With time and experience the chanting will become match focused and
pertinatant, but you have to crawl before you can walk or run. As
for the standing ovation, the guys go out on the pitch and give
there all to try and get the results we crave, that alone deserves
our respect and admiration. I support the team, not the result on
the day.
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I hear what your saying about the singing - and I agree to an
extent (90s in before the first 'Score in a minute was hear' ffs) -
yes - it might be ironic the first time - but bloody boring by the
8 or 9th.
Fair enough - we might not have a crowd full of football terrace cognoscenti - but these things take time. ('We'll be coming' seems to be dying on it's arse
)
What I found quite embarrasing/sad - Stand up for the Phoenix without the slightest hint of the 'Go West' tune on Sunday - if we're going to start songs at least sing them to a tune rather than just shout words.
Plus we've got two versions of 'Rikki Herberts - Yellow Army' on the go at the same time. One going 'Rikki Herberts - YELLOW ARMY' and the other going 'Rikki Herberts Yellow Army - RIKKI HERBERTS YELLOW ARMY'
'Oooooooh - you're sh*t ahhhhhh' - to the keeper - c'mon - are we 12 years old people?!
I think you're right though - it's the daft laddies that only know the three songs that seem to keep repeating the same songs - those of us that do try and sing something new - it appears that the folk around us aren't interested in trying something new and would prefer to sing the same 3 or so songs.
Fair enough - we might not have a crowd full of football terrace cognoscenti - but these things take time. ('We'll be coming' seems to be dying on it's arse
)What I found quite embarrasing/sad - Stand up for the Phoenix without the slightest hint of the 'Go West' tune on Sunday - if we're going to start songs at least sing them to a tune rather than just shout words.
Plus we've got two versions of 'Rikki Herberts - Yellow Army' on the go at the same time. One going 'Rikki Herberts - YELLOW ARMY' and the other going 'Rikki Herberts Yellow Army - RIKKI HERBERTS YELLOW ARMY'
'Oooooooh - you're sh*t ahhhhhh' - to the keeper - c'mon - are we 12 years old people?!
I think you're right though - it's the daft laddies that only know the three songs that seem to keep repeating the same songs - those of us that do try and sing something new - it appears that the folk around us aren't interested in trying something new and would prefer to sing the same 3 or so songs.
When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!
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Re the "Beckham circus"..I for one am looking forward to it and
want to see some tackles outside the box so we can see what he can
do from freekicks... live........
Sure some of the chants are repetitive
but they
give atmosphere and I like it...music around scoring moves could
also do that but we dont have that..and having been recently
to a EPL match and having only heard "Cmon Boro" all match it does
give more variety.
but they
give atmosphere and I like it...music around scoring moves could
also do that but we dont have that..and having been recently
to a EPL match and having only heard "Cmon Boro" all match it does
give more variety.A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen
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It ain't going to improve with seating forced either.
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I hear what your saying about the singing - and I agree to an
extent (90s in before the first 'Score in a minute was hear' ffs) -
yes - it might be ironic the first time - but bloody boring by the
8 or 9th.
Fair enough - we might not have a crowd full of football terrace cognoscenti - but these things take time. ('We'll be coming' seems to be dying on it's arse)
What I found quite embarrasing/sad - Stand up for the Phoenix without the slightest hint of the 'Go West' tune on Sunday - if we're going to start songs at least sing them to a tune rather than just shout words.
Plus we've got two versions of 'Rikki Herberts - Yellow Army' on the go at the same time. One going 'Rikki Herberts - YELLOW ARMY' and the other going 'Rikki Herberts Yellow Army - RIKKI HERBERTS YELLOW ARMY'
'Oooooooh - you're sh*t ahhhhhh' - to the keeper - c'mon - are we 12 years old people?!
I think you're right though - it's the daft laddies that only know the three songs that seem to keep repeating the same songs - those of us that do try and sing something new - it appears that the folk around us aren't interested in trying something new and would prefer to sing the same 3 or so songs.
Fair enough - we might not have a crowd full of football terrace cognoscenti - but these things take time. ('We'll be coming' seems to be dying on it's arse
)What I found quite embarrasing/sad - Stand up for the Phoenix without the slightest hint of the 'Go West' tune on Sunday - if we're going to start songs at least sing them to a tune rather than just shout words.
Plus we've got two versions of 'Rikki Herberts - Yellow Army' on the go at the same time. One going 'Rikki Herberts - YELLOW ARMY' and the other going 'Rikki Herberts Yellow Army - RIKKI HERBERTS YELLOW ARMY'
'Oooooooh - you're sh*t ahhhhhh' - to the keeper - c'mon - are we 12 years old people?!
I think you're right though - it's the daft laddies that only know the three songs that seem to keep repeating the same songs - those of us that do try and sing something new - it appears that the folk around us aren't interested in trying something new and would prefer to sing the same 3 or so songs.
Well golly, aren't we lucky to have your cultured, intelligent
and sophisticated brand of football chanting to aspire to?
Who ever knew there was such a thing as a
football-supporter-snob!?
Don't forget that without the daft laddies and folk singing
the songs they know it would be you and danielsleftball, on your
own and half ginger, chanting your upmarket swanky melodious
tuneful and cultured chants by yourselves.
And you'd be very f**king quiet.
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OK how about this for starters.....
We as a City have taken the team to our hearts which is great,
maybe it's the fact that it's all new and shiny that make most
people view everything to do with the club through rose tinted
glasses.
One thing I refuse to do however is try and pretend that all
is great, we are a poor team languishing in the bottom two of the
league. We have not real threat up front and although we
create chances from a reasonable midfield we can't put anything
away. We should have been comfortabley up by 3 on Sunday, our
keeper should be held accountable for at least one and defensively
we are dire. In my view, and it's only my view, anyone
who sees differently either has little football experience (I
suppose that could be called education) or doesn't want to face
reality.
I've supported the same lower league English team for 25 year,
believe me I know Sh*t football when I see it.
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Most of the crowd has never had a pro team to support before now and not all have been previlaged enough to travel the world to see what happens in stadiums overseas, not that we have to follow what they do anyway. Whats wrong with appearing to be an uneducated football supporter if thats what you in fact are, as most are? Give them a chance to learn and stop the holier than thou attitude.
I dont see anything posted from you in the chants forum suggesting anything new, why is that? Maybe its easier to sl*g off at others attempts than to help out.Dont even suggest we sing happy birthday, that implies
drinking more.
A dog with a bone :)
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There are days Kenny when questions need to be asked about you, but
that there is quality.
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Good point nightz. This is a new experience for a lot of people. In
time things will get even better. Better to say/sing something than
sit and say nothing.
sanday2007-10-24 15:56:19
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OK how about this for starters.....
We have not real threat up front and although we create
chances from a reasonable midfield we can't put anything
away.
We've scored more goals than any other team in the league
except for Adelaide.
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OK how about this for starters.....
We as a City have taken the team to our hearts which is great,
maybe it's the fact that it's all new and shiny that make most
people view everything to do with the club through rose tinted
glasses.
One thing I refuse to do however is try and pretend that all
is great, we are a poor team languishing in the bottom two of the
league. We have not real threat up front and although we
create chances from a reasonable midfield we can't put anything
away. We should have been comfortabley up by 3 on Sunday, our
keeper should be held accountable for at least one and defensively
we are dire. In my view, and it's only my view, anyone
who sees differently either has little football experience (I
suppose that could be called education) or doesn't want to face
reality.
I've supported the same lower league English team for 25 year,
believe me I know Sh*t football when I see it.
yes we are new - I can only see us building from here
though.
We are not languishing
We have scored 13 goals - more than the leaders and second in
league.
What goal was Moss responsible for?
Do you sl*g off the other team you supposedly support like the
Phoenix
Sounds from your email address that you prefer
egg-chasing
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It's possible we're all being wound up here lads.
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Most of the crowd has never had a pro team to support before now and not all have been previlaged enough to travel the world to see what happens in stadiums overseas, not that we have to follow what they do anyway. Whats wrong with appearing to be an uneducated football supporter if thats what you in fact are, as most are? Give them a chance to learn and stop the holier than thou attitude.
I dont see anything posted from you in the chants forum suggesting anything new, why is that? Maybe its easier to sl*g off at others attempts than to help out.Dont even suggest we sing happy birthday, that implies
drinking more.
I think everyone is getting a little defensive about my
comments. You're right most people in the stadium don't have
the experience of supporting a footy team (having said that you've
had Utd for years and the most I saw there was about 300!!),
all I was trying to point out is that there are lots of great
ways to support a team and chants that motivate without making us
look as if we're new to it all........
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Because we've got a creative midfield, we've also probabley missed
more chances than anyone.
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That's his superior football education coming out News. You
don't even know who United are.
Me neither.
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I hear what your saying about the singing - and I agree to an
extent (90s in before the first 'Score in a minute was hear' ffs) -
yes - it might be ironic the first time - but bloody boring by the
8 or 9th.
Fair enough - we might not have a crowd full of football terrace cognoscenti - but these things take time. ('We'll be coming' seems to be dying on it's arse)
What I found quite embarrasing/sad - Stand up for the Phoenix without the slightest hint of the 'Go West' tune on Sunday - if we're going to start songs at least sing them to a tune rather than just shout words.
Plus we've got two versions of 'Rikki Herberts - Yellow Army' on the go at the same time. One going 'Rikki Herberts - YELLOW ARMY' and the other going 'Rikki Herberts Yellow Army - RIKKI HERBERTS YELLOW ARMY'
'Oooooooh - you're sh*t ahhhhhh' - to the keeper - c'mon - are we 12 years old people?!
I think you're right though - it's the daft laddies that only know the three songs that seem to keep repeating the same songs - those of us that do try and sing something new - it appears that the folk around us aren't interested in trying something new and would prefer to sing the same 3 or so songs.
Fair enough - we might not have a crowd full of football terrace cognoscenti - but these things take time. ('We'll be coming' seems to be dying on it's arse
)What I found quite embarrasing/sad - Stand up for the Phoenix without the slightest hint of the 'Go West' tune on Sunday - if we're going to start songs at least sing them to a tune rather than just shout words.
Plus we've got two versions of 'Rikki Herberts - Yellow Army' on the go at the same time. One going 'Rikki Herberts - YELLOW ARMY' and the other going 'Rikki Herberts Yellow Army - RIKKI HERBERTS YELLOW ARMY'
'Oooooooh - you're sh*t ahhhhhh' - to the keeper - c'mon - are we 12 years old people?!
I think you're right though - it's the daft laddies that only know the three songs that seem to keep repeating the same songs - those of us that do try and sing something new - it appears that the folk around us aren't interested in trying something new and would prefer to sing the same 3 or so songs.
Well golly, aren't we lucky to have your cultured, intelligent
and sophisticated brand of football chanting to aspire to?
Who ever knew there was such a thing as a
football-supporter-snob!?
Don't forget that without the daft laddies and folk singing
the songs they know it would be you and danielsleftball, on your
own and half ginger, chanting your upmarket swanky melodious
tuneful and cultured chants by yourselves.
And you'd be very f**king quiet.
Nah a real football snob would refuse to support the A-League - saying it's sh*te - and stick to supporting massively overpaid European teams from afar.
At the end of the day, I suppose it's borne of frustation of trying to inject some variety into the singing etc only for the same couple of songs to be repeated ad nauseum
For those that are used to going to football at Europe - we've been in the fortunate position of following a club that has a stable of many regular songs to sing from.
I'm trying to inject a bit of variety to the repertoire, but it looks like it'll take time.
And anyone that's sat beside me knows that I'm certainly not quiet.
When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!
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Wellington United ?
North Shore United ?
Canterbury United ?
Adelaide United ?
He's lost me. Mind you he doesn't think he's patronising either.
Hard News2007-10-24 16:01:53
North Shore United ?
Canterbury United ?
Adelaide United ?
He's lost me. Mind you he doesn't think he's patronising either.
Hard News2007-10-24 16:01:53
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I think everyone is getting a little defensive about my
comments.
Nope we're all having a great laugh at your expense.
Except Ginger Eejit who wants to start up a more sophisticated
block with just you and him in it.
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OK how about this for starters.....
We as a City have taken the team to our hearts which is great,
maybe it's the fact that it's all new and shiny that make most
people view everything to do with the club through rose tinted
glasses.
One thing I refuse to do however is try and pretend that all
is great, we are a poor team languishing in the bottom two of the
league. We have not real threat up front and although we
create chances from a reasonable midfield we can't put anything
away. We should have been comfortabley up by 3 on Sunday, our
keeper should be held accountable for at least one and defensively
we are dire. In my view, and it's only my view, anyone
who sees differently either has little football experience (I
suppose that could be called education) or doesn't want to face
reality.
I've supported the same lower league English team for 25 year,
believe me I know Sh*t football when I see it.
yes we are new - I can only see us building from here
though.
We are not languishing
We have scored 13 goals - more than the leaders and second in
league.
What goal was Moss responsible for?
Do you sl*g off the other team you supposedly support like the
Phoenix
Sounds from your email address that you prefer
egg-chasing
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Doesn't really matter what you guys chant, after a few drinks it all sounds the same anyways.
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I'm trying to inject a bit of variety to the repertoire, but it looks like it'll take time.
And anyone that's sat beside me knows that I'm certainly not quiet.
Yes to the first point, it will take time, but nobody faults
the endeavour. Calling everyone else a 'stupid wee laddie'
(or similar) for not joining in with you is a bit rich
though. Give us time, at least we're enthusiastic. And
present. Which is more than Auckland could manage.
I sit about a dozen rows in front of you and I can vouch for
the fact you're not quiet. You're also frequently hilarious,
so keep up the shouting.
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Tell me what I've said that isn't true?
Who would like to start?
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We should do Yellow by Coldplay.
And when's the new song sheet due out?
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